Wow, Ignis got screwed over..

[Mage_pegusas]

http://regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showthread.php?t=13196
Why the heck did we get the crappy stuff, and alsius and syrtis got all the good amulets/rings... this makes the game imba, right? ^^

Devs must be tree-lovers i think (?) :p

[Mattdoesrock]

Hooooooly crap.

We have been ROYALLY screwed.

That is so unfair.

If I was in Syrtis or Alsius , I could have 4435 hp, and if I was a goat, and therefore an extra +5 cons, thats a total of 4547 (give or take.) <-- That's with my +145 hp and +7 cons item's.

AND we have 4 Amulets, in comparison to Syrtis' 7 and Alsius' 10. What the hell is up with that.

Nice one NGD.

[El_Naso]

XD

Yeah, we got the lightning ring, wich totally sucks, we were so screwed. (Sarcasm)

Can somebody please sell me one by the way? I kinda want to go for two and my hunter is barely lvl 20

Pleeeeease? rofl

PS: sorry if I´m being too harsh but really, that ring is unmatched among the rest. Think about that.

[Mage_pegusas]

Deadly Sight Ring(LVL 20): Slashing Damage Bonus 15-25
Ring of Health(LVL 17): Gives +80 Health to base supply
Elite Mage Ring(LVL 25): Gives +3 Intelligence
Hypnotizing Amulet(LVL 23): +5 Evade chance and +12 hit chance
Medal of Courage(LVL 33): Gives +150 Health, +7% Armour, +7% Blunt Resistance...........

Ring of Lightning(LVL 40): 9-11 Lighting Damage Bonus and +5% Attack Speed

Dosent seem fair to me, ^^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F5BUKfiHgA&feature=related
(sorry this vid seems slightly off topic but i laughed at it :) )

[El_Naso]

Yeah the damage is low compared to the deadly sight ring (*) but 10% attack speed means 10% extra damage a second, although armor values change that, making a +10% damage/second mean less than a +10% damage bonus. On the other hand you also get to attack faster and let´s not forget the damage bonus either.

I think it´s a pretty neat ring :biggrin:

[Mage_pegusas]

Take into account the level of these rings...
18-22 lightning dmg + 10% attack speed if u dual weild (if ofc u manage to get ur hands on two of these..)
30-50 extra slash dmg dual weilding a lvl 20 ring on the other hand....
Dosent really add up IMO, also as im a mage i could dual weild +3int rings to good effect.. or warrior with +80hp rings...

I can't make it even in my head!! :p we got screwed!

[Mattdoesrock]

So just because we have ONE good item, means that it's totally fair?

I don't think so ¬¬

I would much rather have two +80hp ring's.

[Envy]

Mage, I can't believe it's taken you so long to work this out lol.

I think it's like this to balance the fact that Moloks are only in Ignis.

[Vroek]

Mage, I can't believe it's taken you so long to work this out lol.

I think it's like this to balance the fact that Moloks are only in Ignis.

Yes! They need all the help they can get. :biggrin:

Its not one good item, its the best item with BIG margin!
And since its a ring you can use two of them on your main character!

[-Edge-]

As the creator of that guide iv heavily studied those items. Syrtis has the best items at the moment. In Syrtis there are tons of items that give +HP, Mana, they don't even take into account how lucky they are.

In Ignis we have to scramble and save the lowest possible drops we get. The Deadly Sight Ring is even with the Lightning Ring, but it is more easily obtained,

the Lighting Ring is lvl 40, and recieved at the end of the runestone quests. The Deadly Sight Ring in Syrtis can easily be reached at level 20. You can even make another char easily to get a 2nd one.

With using Buffs from all trees at lvl 4 (Which most Warriors do) and with 2 deadly sight rings, it can be a +150 minimum damage bonus.

[Vroek]

Don't tell me 10% attack speed can be comparable to some silly damage increase for warriors.

Now I use lvl 4 tfb and slow mace with 4% attack speed (total of 16% speed), the speed effect is so damn great!!!

I can see how it matter less for mages and archer that both great speed boosts that dont wear out after 5 hits :/

I can imagine how cool it is for you to have a lvl 3 tfb always active :/:/:/
Not realizing how lucky you are, that makes you all dumb!

[sathilda]

Not realizing how lucky you are, that makes you all dumb!

Lol, my conj while leveling has 39% staff speed boost, as a staff mastery user, it really matters :]

On others words i hit faster than a medium staff with a slow staff

[Vroek]

You are not like other elves! ;)
Of course 10% matters for everyone, and indeed it not completely without damage effect either.
I was just pointing out that mages and archers have good spell that counter it to some extent.

I dont see SM users as mages, some of them are 'cheaters' according to Feanor. ;)
Tried fighting a lvl 50 SM warlock with my lvl 34 hunter... it ended badly, already too late when i realized it was not a normal warlock which i could have had fun fighting :D

[-Edge-]

I use 16% attack speed too, I dont see any difference really, (so if I had 2 lightning rings)

I kind of calculated it with Zord that 25% would be a different speed.
VSlow Weapon w +25% speed = Slow Weapon.

Would only be nice imo w/ a medium speed weapon.

[Mattdoesrock]

A) Lightning Rings are like gold dust - Everyone wants them, few have spare. Often in realm chat you see "COMPRO ANILLO DE RAYOS 600K" etc. etc.

B) Would you rather have +10% attack speed or an extra 160 / (310 with amulet) hp?

I'd gladly give up my lightning rungs and +70 hp amulet for Syrtis' or Alsius' rings / amulets.

[sathilda]

You are not like other elves!

Yup, i have horns now :p


I dont see SM users as mages, some of them are 'cheaters' according to Feanor.

Not cheat, but it hits pretty hard if you're a conj with zarkit... nice powerleveling !


Tried fighting a lvl 50 SM warlock with my lvl 34 hunter... it ended badly, already too late when i realized it was not a normal warlock which i could have had fun fighting :D
In fact, the weak point are magnifications, because they're visible (unless they cheat by changing staff). Usually if you camou waiting for the magnis coming down and then you rush, it's fun :sifflote:

Without the magnis, a SM warlock is done :)

[Vroek]

I use 16% attack speed too, I dont see any difference really, (so if I had 2 lightning rings)

I kind of calculated it with Zord that 25% would be a different speed.
VSlow Weapon w +25% speed = Slow Weapon.

Would only be nice imo w/ a medium speed weapon.

I hear people say 15% is enough to jump up a full speed level
I will look around if it been confirmed by someone, that unlike us matters ;)

surely 10% would be enough to make two hits during a lvl 3 feint for example,
this you cant normaly achieve with a very slow weapond

Comment to A) Make an alt decide who will benefit the most from them!

Answer to B) hell yes, i dont use any hp increase other than random constitution on some armour piece.

[Vroek]

In fact, the weak point are magnifications, because they're visible (unless they cheat by changing staff). Usually if you camou waiting for the magnis coming down and then you rush, it's fun :sifflote:

Without the magnis, a SM warlock is done :)

I been forced turn down my graphics, so maybe they dont show anymore :/
Might have to do some adjustment there.

[Znurre]

A) Lightning Rings are like gold dust - Everyone wants them, few have spare. Often in realm chat you see "COMPRO ANILLO DE RAYOS 600K" etc. etc.

B) Would you rather have +10% attack speed or an extra 160 / (310 with amulet) hp?

I'd gladly give up my lightning rungs and +70 hp amulet for Syrtis' or Alsius' rings / amulets.I would gladly give up my 2x +80 Health rings for 2x Lightning Rings...

I have +16% weapon speed with +4% on my weapon and tfb lvl 4 ( 12% ), and the difference is big.
People that fights against me use to ask me if I am using a medium weapon.

[Envy]

I really don't see how you guys see such a big difference with these small +% attack speed bonuses. I've been testing from base to a full +20% passive bonus and then all the way to a +95% bonus with a fast bow, and +70% with a slow bow.

As your attack speed is not even as it increases the advantage is very hit and miss. I'll be testing again once I can get a +25% passive bonus.

[-Edge-]

I really don't see how you guys see such a big difference with these small +% attack speed bonuses. I've been testing from base to a full +20% passive bonus and then all the way to a +95% bonus with a fast bow, and +70% with a slow bow.

As your attack speed is not even as it increases the advantage is very hit and miss. I'll be testing again once I can get a +25% passive bonus.
I know I don't get the big deal either. I have legs with +4% speed, lvl 4 TFB, same as everyone else, I see no biggie.

I would love more mana or hp anyway.

[_dracus_]

Medal of courage doesn't fully work. Only the health bonus works. Not sure it's really worse to wear it compared to the Royal Amulet.

[-Edge-]

Alsuis has Rings with +80HP, I would love those, what do I have? 2 rings with +2 dex mah.... maybe we would have something if Kron's ring worked, then our archers would be better than the Syrtis Hordes.

We have 2 big choices for Amulets, one with +100 mana (NO WAY) And +70 health (NO FRIGGIN WAY :O)

+160 Hp to my base supply? Damn, along with an Amulet, I really do hope Ignis gets more stuff. Though the other realms just have alot of junk.

In my past expericence, NGD has been picking on Ignis since day 1. :sifflote: OFC I am not being serious but really I am.

Where is our moderator? :biggrin: Surak is in Syrtis... Megrim Alsuis, now Ponter in Alsuis aswell? Ignis had about around 70 quests total before they added the runestone ones. Syrtis and Alsuis had them waaaaay before us.

Always picking on the Reds.... we won't stand for it damn it :sleep_1:

[mrclean]

Medal of courage doesn't fully work. Only the health bonus works. Not sure it's really worse to wear it compared to the Royal Amulet.

If you want we can test it, I'm a blunt user and I'm curious about it

Anyway, we have no choices in amulets and rings... I'm stuck with the jidenah's eyes amulet cause I did the quest for amulet of emanation before they added it. Same for ring with evasion...

[Vroek]

I really don't see how you guys see such a big difference with these small +% attack speed bonuses. I've been testing from base to a full +20% passive bonus and then all the way to a +95% bonus with a fast bow, and +70% with a slow bow.

As your attack speed is not even as it increases the advantage is very hit and miss. I'll be testing again once I can get a +25% passive bonus.

It sounds to me like this is an archer problem!
Zebedee got some weird results from speed increase when we were on test server. I heard DM say you can only increase speed so much before it fail, and some insults as always. :ranting:
Now you describe similar issues for archers?

Archers have twice the speed from warriors already and more advanced shoot animation than mages, maybe this cause some glitch in weapond speed if it gets too much boosted. I really don't know! :/

Not tested it thoroughly, but out of experience
Im completely convinced weapond speed is the most powerful bonus a warrior can have!

[misaccc]

Who ever said that a hp/mana rings are better then lightning...is a noob...it is the best ring there is you can hit 1k every 6sec with a medium weapon(thanks yoshi^^) and a lvl4 weapon buff...pffft 2 hp rings are less then half of my hit...

[Mage_pegusas]

Medal of courage + two hp rings = + 310hp.. this is achievable in syrtis now... Imagine that for a support conjurer, for example.. or a hunter... or pretty much any damned class. :/ 310hp is a big difference IMO especially for two people the same subclass and lvl to meet in wz...

Hypnotizing Amulet + 2 blacksmith rings.. is much better than mana amulet or +70hp amulet IMO..

I guess this is an opinion thing, who would rather have what.. right?
But we do get less choice... 13 items to choose from, whereas syrtis get 18, alsius 20! Heck if we got an extra amulet and two more rings then maybe it'd be ok ^^

[NightTwix]

ok i rant against this situation for a while now, mainly internal.

The amulet situation is clearly out of balance and the rings also create controversy as we see in this thread (the others gras is always greener).

But what i really ask myself (and im asking you now):
Why are there different items in each realm? Why?

I dont see the point.
Of course you can explain it from a RPG point of view and say "Its because the gods of NGD decided" but from a logical, OOC point it doesnt make any sense.

Or did i just miss the point?

[Mage_pegusas]

NightTwix agrees with me = WOOT!
But seriously it can cause imbalance in the game with different/better items in each realm...

[sathilda]

ok i rant against this situation for a while now, mainly internal.

The amulet situation is clearly out of balance and the rings also create controversy as we see in this thread (the others gras is always greener).

But what i really ask myself (and im asking you now):
Why are there different items in each realm? Why?

I dont see the point.
Of course you can explain it from a RPG point of view and say "Its because the gods of NGD decided" but from a logical, OOC point it doesnt make any sense.

Or did i just miss the point?


Unfortunatly my lock isn't 50, but with a full SM setup, it's 35% (2 rings + 25% arcane accel) + 6% atk speed from my med speed twin viper staff = 41% speed bonus, not so far from the elven one afaik.

Well, with a worn viper staff i have, i hit on 450 on mage, 300 on buffed hunters... so basically, with the atk speed increased, i need less than 8s to kill any mage/archer, hopefully there is evade/resist, hopefully they will do something ;)

But my Goat 40 who have no atk speed modifier (except the +25% from SM indeed) owns a lvl 45 hunter in 11s with a zarkit... yeah 11 seconds, sound crazy but targets of people set up like Axe know what i'm talking about...

But yes the ring of lightning sucks :p

[Vroek]

NightTwix agrees with me = WOOT!
But seriously it can cause imbalance in the game with different/better items in each realm...

No he dosent! I think he is quite happy with his set of lightning rings.

[Mage_pegusas]

I suppose u can speak for everyone then? :p
But my point was that the game is imbalanced because of the different items in different realms.. (items = amulets + rings)
IMO they don't add up to anywhere near equal ^^
Ignis have less then both syrtis and alsius too also..

[-Edge-]

ok i rant against this situation for a while now, mainly internal.

The amulet situation is clearly out of balance and the rings also create controversy as we see in this thread (the others gras is always greener).

But what i really ask myself (and im asking you now):
Why are there different items in each realm? Why?

I dont see the point.
Of course you can explain it from a RPG point of view and say "Its because the gods of NGD decided" but from a logical, OOC point it doesnt make any sense.

Or did i just miss the point?
Because there is supposed to be variety. But NGD dosen't do it very well seeing as how the items should be the same on all sides.

This is exactly WHY I started a Ring and Amulets Guide, if all items were the same it would have saven me a hell lot more time.