Lame tactics

[Mage_pegusas]

I just thought i'd share a little story with all those cool people out there..
I was on my hunter earlier (lvl 41) and went to alsius, i was alone and decided to look for a new pet... got across the bridge and tamed a werewolf... it didn't do enough dmg so i went around closer the the gate, and tamed a cobler elite guard. I then went around through the cemetary and to the other bridge..

Finally i ran into two alsius, one lvl 50 warlock, one lvl 40 conjurer.. I cast dodge and ambushed the warlock, then went for the lvl 40 conj (they seen me and the warlock was on his way to attack me) as soon as the warlock got to his feet.... two on me.. he casts MoD :thumb_down: I was able to kill the conjurer with normal hits + pet and my defence buffs (no SOTW) wer able to keep me alive.. I took the lvl 50 warlock to half hp, and soulkeeper to death. 15rps for me.

The point is, 2 vs 1, one of those two casts MoD... its like two hunters casting SOTW vs 1 conjurer.. I won't name and shame them, mainly because i can't remember their names :sifflote: but i think this way a really lame thing to do..

Thought i would share that with everyone, share your lame tactics stories here ;)

[DkySven]

I think he used MoD to prevent you from going SotW+camouflage, but yes it's a lame thing to do.

[_dracus_]

I think he used MoD to prevent you from going SotW+camouflage, but yes it's a lame thing to do.

And does F. cast MoD against my AFK barb to prevent him to use camouflage ?

[Mattdoesrock]

Gah what a pt.

Yesterday I ran into 3 (!) sotw + camo pt's IN A ROW.

[DkySven]

And does F. cast MoD against my AFK barb to prevent him to use camouflage ?
This is about mage's post, not you getting killed afk.

[fluffy_muffin]

I think he used MoD to prevent you from going SotW+camouflage, but yes it's a lame thing to do.
There is darkness you know :D

[elendriel]

He can use any tactic, and that one is legal, but fought very bad, because you were able to kill the conjurer, when you shouldn't been able to kill anybody.

[Arkenion]

There is darkness you know :D
Darkness can be evaded/resisted/blocked, only lasts 20 seconds on level 1 and only affects one target. :p
MoD also prevents the conju from casting steel skin, sanctuary etc..

Dobry wiedzour! ^^

[makarios68]

Once r twice i have attacked 2 or 3 enemies alone and the warl casts mod.

Like, come on! Fekin overkill or what??!!

[Valorius]

There are a few warlocks that cast MoD FIRST TIME EVERY TIME REGARDLESS of enemy numbers.

They all play for Ignis, and are all lvl 50. And are all pt's.

[_dracus_]

This is about mage's post, not you getting killed afk.

Read the comment, F. (from whatever realm we don't care) tried to killed my barb who was almost AFK I was still looking at the screen when I saw MoD on me. The warlock got killed with my spear. For the story he is lvl 50, I was level 43. I won't shame him but I'm still laughting.

So yes some warlocks use their MoD against 1.

The very same warlock got me few days ago with MoD(1). They were 5 vs 1. This is very funny too.

[DkySven]

Read the comment, F. (from whatever realm we don't care) tried to killed my barb who was almost AFK I was still looking at the screen when I saw MoD on me. The warlock got killed with my spear. For the story he is lvl 50, I was level 43. I won't shame him but I'm still laughting.

So yes some warlocks use their MoD against 1.

The very same warlock got me few days ago with MoD(1). They were 5 vs 1. This is very funny too.
XD, Ok sorry, my fault.

[_dracus_]

XD, Ok sorry, my fault.

Don't be, my english is so bad.

[Mage_pegusas]

There are a few warlocks that cast MoD FIRST TIME EVERY TIME REGARDLESS of enemy numbers.

They all play for Ignis, and are all lvl 50. And are all pt's.

This one was lvl 50 yes, but he was alsius :p

Usually the only time a warlock can beat me is if he uses devotion, this one didn't :sifflote: I love mage casting times, makes me feel like its my birthday when mages dont use devotion :wish:

[arlick]

There are a few warlocks that cast MoD FIRST TIME EVERY TIME REGARDLESS of enemy numbers.

They all play for Ignis, and are all lvl 50. And are all pt's.

There are lots of archers that cast spell elude EVERY TIME, i think it worst, and lots of archers that use every time SotW, ...

[Mage_pegusas]

I don't use either of those spells atm, Spell elude is imba, SOTW is too powerful, and sometimes you can't rely on it.. I like fair fights ;)
But MoD 2 vs me... lol

[_dracus_]

There are lots of archers that cast spell elude EVERY TIME, i think it worst, and lots of archers that use every time SotW, ...

I stoped using spell elude. Too much mana, and not that efficient. Dodge seems better. For short bow user if you manage to ambush the warlock before he cast meteor on you, you will often win. With long bows it's quite different because you will hit first with break appart generally, then you have to decide keep range or switch to short bow :)

[arlick]

I don't use either of those spells atm, Spell elude is imba, SOTW is too powerful, and sometimes you can't rely on it.. I like fair fights ;)
But MoD 2 vs me... lol

you have to understand it, warlok (like me) are afraid against archers :P

[Static_Fang]

There are a few warlocks that cast MoD FIRST TIME EVERY TIME REGARDLESS of enemy numbers.

They all play for Ignis, and are all lvl 50. And are all pt's.

SWEET! Thats not me, i'm lvl 44 ^^ Safe.

Anyway, i use MoD as a defencive buff when the numbers are on their side.
Just a precaution.

[arlick]

They all play for Ignis, and are all lvl 50. And are all pt's.

i see these phrase now

why you need to be so stupidly rude? Had you think that being warlock is really really hard? fight against an archer is a hell because they evaded 50% spells.

What you think about it? What think about hunters that use SoW + camo?

Make a warlock and then you will be allowed to say what you want about warlocks.

[Mage_pegusas]

i see these phrase now

why you need to be so stupidly rude? Had you think that being warlock is really really hard? fight against an archer is a hell because they evaded 50% spells.

What you think about it? What think about hunters that use SoW + camo?

Make a warlock and then you will be allowed to say what you want about warlocks.

I don't evade much really, w/o dodge.. even then i use dodge on lvl 1, I aim to minimise dmg taken mainly, lvl 4 acrobat + lvl 4 evasion tactics.

If they ever fix it so i cant dance around the enemy and cancel their cast.. i'm screwed :p

Here, i used lvl 3 retaliation + dancing + dual shot + normal hits + pet, works fine :) 11236

[Miraculix]

1st) Spell Elude gives "resisted" messages, not "evaded", despite of it's name being "elude". Check to see how many spells were "resisted" to see the actual effect of spell elude. Not as good as you thought, eh?

2nd) It's "imba" ? wtf? Knights blocks, barbs 1-shot, mages steal our hp and mana to replenish their own, we evade. That's our defense, each class has it's own. What else can we do? I agree on SotW, but Spell Elude? Why don't we just use normal attacks till our bows break so you don't even have to think about how to fight against an archer.

[Mage_pegusas]

Lol, its my opinion on the spell. I personally have fought archers in arena, and not been able to hit them with a spell until spell elude wears off, thats why i don't use it- to give me a challenge ;)

EDIT: My comment was not to offend those archers whom use spell elude, but to show my own personal opinion; I like to use different setups than the mass archer user, so im not 'just another hunter' :)
Sorry miraculix

[Aries202]

Ignis PT lvl 50 warlocks, lets sign an agreement everytime you see valorius, we cast MoD even if were 100 against one, lets show him our ptness, lets show him a you really fight dirty.. eh next time be kind with your words.. syrtis isnt realm of the year either...

And mage, most times they cast MoD to prevent a hunter to cast sow and just use camo, or maybe he couldnt rely on his conjur? bashing on the forums isnt anything, you doing this is the same as telling your clan mates, buddies in game :)

[misaccc]

Lame tactics....one name...lechugin

[_dracus_]

Ignis PT lvl 50 warlocks, lets sign an agreement everytime you see valorius, we cast MoD even if were 100 against one, lets show him our ptness, lets show him a you really fight dirty.. eh next time be kind with your words.. syrtis isnt realm of the year either...

And mage, most times they cast MoD to prevent a hunter to cast sow and just use camo, or maybe he couldnt rely on his conjur? bashing on the forums isnt anything, you doing this is the same as telling your clan mates, buddies in game :)

As I already stated, did Warlocks 50 fears that my level 43 barbarian cast SotW and camouflage ?

PS: Dyckman are you sure there is gonna be a realm of the year ? because according to my experience there are a lot of bad behaviour (or whatever you call it) in every realm. Alsius, Ignis, and Syrtis may share this really equally IMO.

[sathilda]

As I already stated, did Warlocks 50 fears that my level 43 barbarian cast SotW and camouflage ?

PS: Dyckman are you sure there is gonna be a realm of the year ? because according to my experience there are a lot of bad behaviour (or whatever you call it) in every realm. Alsius, Ignis, and Syrtis may share this really equally IMO.

The only thing i can fear against a barb is defenring roar/howl if mana burn/energy borrow is resisted. Probably one of the rare case i have to use Terror on 1 vs 1 against a barb from range 30...

MoD is bad on 1vs1, but it's legal, unfair (and i want it nerfed), but legal.

[GIGO305]

i think i killed alot of ppl this way :thumb_up:

[save_the_trees]

I would say the warlock casted mod to prevent you confuse the conjurer, so he was a nice team player who cared about his lower lv mate :p.

For all those who don't believe in this, don't take it too serious. It's only a suggestion xD

[backe]

archers calling MOD a lame tactic? i'm not saying any of you fine folk use the SoTW+Camo cheese move, but seriously...
3 words...

Pot

Kettle

Black

and that is an excellent point, save_the_trees...

[LuthienNenharma]

The point is, 2 vs 1, one of those two casts MoD... its like two hunters casting SOTW vs 1 conjurer
they do so.

i dont care about ppl using there spells anymore.
ppl using sotw in every fight too, no one cares.

[Valorius]

There are lots of archers that cast spell elude EVERY TIME, i think it worst, and lots of archers that use every time SotW, ...
Spell elude doesn't protect vs MoD. It only works 30% of the time(if that, seriously that's a spell that seems like it used to work waaay better), and it only affects one person.

What you think about it? What think about hunters that use SoW + camo?

I am on record as saying SoTW+Camo combo should be removed.

BTW, a lock with wind wall evades at least as many attacks as an archer does.


MoD is bad on 1vs1, but it's legal, unfair (and i want it nerfed), but legal.
Agreed.

[Anpu]

wind wall can be "canceled"

[Valorius]

wind wall can be "canceled"
Only by running so close that if they cast MoD you're never going to escape.

MoD wouldn't be so bad if the Area of effect wasn't so bugged(it should be 10m, it's probably close to 2x that size), if it didn't persist after you left the area of effect, if it didn't last for sooooooooooooo long, and if the grafix actually showed it as cast the whole time.

My favorite is being in a fort battle, having the mod dizziness, and having NO FRIGGIN IDEA which enemy lock to shoot at because the graphic is already turned off.

Yes, that's.......swell.

[sathilda]

Only by running so close that if they cast MoD you're never going to escape.

MoD wouldn't be so bad if the Area of effect wasn't so bugged(it's supposed to be 10m, it's probably close to 2x that size), if it didn't persist after you left the area of effect, if it didn't last for sooooooooooooo long, and if the grafix actually showed it as cast the whole time.

My favorite is being in a fort battle, having the mod dizziness, and having NO FRIGGIN IDEA which enemy lock to shoot at because the graphic is already turned off.

Yes, that's.......swell.

Valorious :

- it's 15 meters.
- once you get away from the mod, the effect vanishes after 4s.


wind wall can be "canceled"
Death Sentence too ^^ In fact if you want to cancel a wind wall by going close you make your DS useless ;)

[Miraculix]

Wind wall is pretty much the anti-DS spell for mages. The attacks blocked by it more then make up for any damage bonus the attacks that actually land might get.

[sathilda]

Wind wall is pretty much the anti-DS spell for mages. The attacks blocked by it more then make up for any damage bonus the attacks that actually land might get.

No No. Dispell is the anti DS (and a lot of annoying thing) spell :)

[Valorius]

Valorious :

- it's 15 meters.
- once you get away from the mod, the effect vanishes after 4s.
In practice it's bigger than 15 meters. Especially when you factor in the 4 second lingering effect, of which i already mentioned.

4 s is a loooong time when a bunch of people are shooting at you.

[Anpu]

Death Sentence too ^^ In fact if you want to cancel a wind wall by going close you make your DS useless ;)
no ds for win wallers, just sudden strike :)

[CHeesE_13]

I don't evade much really, w/o dodge.. even then i use dodge on lvl 1, I aim to minimise dmg taken mainly, lvl 4 acrobat + lvl 4 evasion tactics.

If they ever fix it so i cant dance around the enemy and cancel their cast.. i'm screwed :p

Here, i used lvl 3 retaliation + dancing + dual shot + normal hits + pet, works fine :) 11236

lol i was in that party
/dance

[Mage_pegusas]

MoD is bad on 1vs1, but it's legal, unfair (and i want it nerfed), but legal.

Oh i wouldn't have minded if i was 1 vs 1, I had a pet (a cobler guard... but its a pet lol) so i can win 1 vs 1 vs MoD warlock, but it was 2 vs me...


archers calling MOD a lame tactic? i'm not saying any of you fine folk use the SoTW+Camo cheese move, but seriously...
3 words...

Pot

Kettle

Black

and that is an excellent point, save_the_trees...

I don't use SOTW, or camo atm, nevermind that combo (which i have never/never will use) lol. And it was lame because of the fact i was 9 lvls lower than the warlock, 1 higher than the conj... and they had 2 vs 1 advantage... thats why it was lame lol.

I would say the warlock casted mod to prevent you confuse the conjurer, so he was a nice team player who cared about his lower lv mate :p.


I didn't have confuse either xD but i still killed the conjurer 2 vs 1 on me... :p
I don't think it was 'team play', i think it was 'ptness' ;)
The conjurer waited 10m behind the warlock, I cast ambush (1) on the warlock, cast beastial wrath and went for the conj, he died quiet quickly, only getting 1 spell on me (beetle swarm). Its just a shame that people have to resort to such low motives to beat a lvl 41.. ^^

[-Drv-]

i don't like this ethic behaviour in fights.
everyone should play at his best to kill his enemy, using all the spell combo (sotw, camo, confuse, mod, aoo, etc...)
it's also a matter of respect of your enemy.
and use powerfull spell (with an high mana cost) at the end of the fight demonstrate a good management of mana.

[Mage_pegusas]

This dude had no respect then. 2 vs me, he uses MoD straight off the bat, so I keep behind him and go for the conj. Looks like people want the cancel spell behind back thing fixed. Go figure, people can't handle losing, the picked a class with slow casting, not my fault. Right?

P.S. this dude had no arcane devotion, so its his fault, but MoD... grr speaking of God modes. ^^

[sathilda]

i don't like this ethic behaviour in fights.
everyone should play at his best to kill his enemy, using all the spell combo (sotw, camo, confuse, mod, aoo, etc...)
it's also a matter of respect of your enemy.
and use powerfull spell (with an high mana cost) at the end of the fight demonstrate a good management of mana.

Get caught by a staff mastery warlock with MoD and Static field at high level, the 2 skills can't be resisted, you will see if it's fun :] A SM lock with a twin viper staff does 50% more DPS than you at short range, and i'm sure you know it.

Unlike you i think it's not very smart to use them. Look how "fun" and "respectful" to do it, a good ol' freeze/mod (aka god mode) combo hehe :

[-Drv-]

Get caught by a staff mastery warlock with MoD and Static field at high level, the 2 skills can't be resisted, you will see if it's fun :] A SM lock with a twin viper staff does 50% more DPS than you at short range, and i'm sure you know it.

Unlike you i think it's not very smart to use them. Look how "fun" and "respectful" to do it, a good ol' freeze/mod (aka god mode) combo hehe :
i only disagree when i read "use powerful spells in 1vs1 is unfair"
i prefer fights without limitations, even if i get pwned.

[Mage_pegusas]

drv, it was 2 vs 1 in my situation, lvl 50 warlock, lvl 40 conjurer vs my lvl 41 hunter. I limited my setup out of respect, what i think is overpowered or gives me too much of an advantage, so no confuse/SOTW/spell elude.
Fair enough, MoD is a spell that warlocks have and its fine if they use, but when they have better numbers vs 1 player it is lame and disrespectful IMO. Also, i killed the conj w/o any of these spells i mentioned, i rock. :p

[Aries202]

Iuse MoD on people like julius.. Why? why not he doesnt fight he hits you twice you hit him twice he runs..so MoD and mind push him, get him a little mad, and if an archer wants to use SoW in a pvp i use MoD..

[Anpu]

no idea why mod is lame spell and meteor isnt or confuse. both are spells and are ingame for you. you just need ones you think they best suit you tactics/play/personality.
and allowing someone to tell me which spells are lame and which are ok while i meet them, is just retarded, that wont ever happen at least to me.

i hate mod, but still i dont run away because of that fact when i see xuk. Its just opposite: his mod is like he is painted already with death sentence mark, fully focus. there is no warlock with mod that wasnt hit by me at least once.

same to sotw. cant hit many time through it but this morning ethereal passed it and killed running hunter. that one little thing, my spell going through spell i hate on enemies, made me smile whole day like kid when gets candy.

live with it, its just spell, like any others. barb can say that retalitaion is lame if he casts sc for 2k dmg and it returns to him. etc. its just plain stupid to call someone lamer just because he used spell you dont like. none play for you, they play for themselves and they play to kill you. you should always have that in head. and its only up to you if you re going to break custom of constant killing and spare someone s life or not.

its not at all weird that this kind of topic is in the inn and not general discussion. you cannot tell anyone how they will play. ignis like camping saves, i like protecting saves. i hate them because i consider save camping dishonorable act but i will not say: hey you lammers, dont save camp, its lame because i think that! they dont think same if they are still savecamping. thats game, thats wz, those are spells given. learn to deal with it or go watch sunset in inner. simply as that, game is not complex and all you have to do is to pick which way you ll go: camp forums and whine or go get your satisfaction killing enemies that are using spells that you dont like. :closed2:

[Valorius]

Iuse MoD on people like julius.. Why? why not he doesnt fight he hits you twice you hit him twice he runs..so MoD and mind push him, get him a little mad, and if an archer wants to use SoW in a pvp i use MoD..
Yet somehow he has racked up more kills than any player in Syrtis.

Oh, he fights alright.