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Eli2

07-01-2008, 04:44 PM

I have the feeling that compared to the beginning (after the beta) there are significantly less skilled players around.
Do you feel the same ?

DkySven

07-01-2008, 04:49 PM

Yes, war is far more chaos now.

BlooD

07-01-2008, 04:52 PM

You dont need skilled players.

Who resists/evades more wins. Simple as that.

Eli2

07-01-2008, 04:55 PM

You dont need skilled players [Edit: ANYMORE].

Who resists/evades more wins. Simple as that.
Sad but true :(

_dracus_

07-01-2008, 05:23 PM

Sad but true :(

True, a very easy barb evaded two consecutive hit/skills this morning from a very slow weapon. I died, but he should have come with me (I had no debuff on me).

Zordak

07-01-2008, 05:52 PM

Mattdoesrock

07-01-2008, 05:53 PM

I'm too much of a newbie to know what it was like at beta / just after, but in the time I've been playing, more and more people are just using the lamest tactics possible.

backe

07-01-2008, 06:01 PM

statistics, we have more overall players, the realtive number of good players will have increased by the same amount. maybe some players you liked to play with in the past left and since you arent lvling anymore or interacting much with new players you just dont know the new good ones.
Its also harder to spot them in a bigger crowd. I think the thought of having less good players is based on the psychology of your reception.

Z.

edit: voted yes since the absolute number should have increased. i hate polls, never find the answer that suits me 100%

that's an excellent point, but i usually play from GMT 2:00+ and at that hour i've definitely noticed a decrease in the overall skill level of the average players on at this hour. of course, i would say that there are still quite a few excellent players on at this time.

edit:
perhaps what i've most noticed is that there are fewer organizers of war parties. while being able to play well is one thing, i think leadership is far more important.

misaccc

07-01-2008, 06:32 PM

Yeah its hard without me around:/

Angel_de_Combate

07-01-2008, 06:42 PM

Well i never saw beta...however...last night...man i just wanted it to be more organised ..its so chaotic!!..its like ignis are giving away rps (sorry guys)..we need more tactical warfare...to take a fort and to keep it for a while..to be able to charge to samal and kick syrtis ass...we need to work as a team people..i mainly play at night time (gmt), but the times that ive participated in fort wars in the day..they have been AWESOME!!! So just can we have more of that please :)

IGNIS FTW

Valorius

07-01-2008, 08:10 PM

that's an excellent point, but i usually play from GMT 2:00+ and at that hour i've definitely noticed a decrease in the overall skill level of the average players on at this hour. of course, i would say that there are still quite a few excellent players on at this time.

edit:
perhaps what i've most noticed is that there are fewer organizers of war parties. while being able to play well is one thing, i think leadership is far more important.
Backe the time you play is by far when syrtis is at it's weakest.

Every single night the same ignis crew comes to stone over and over, yet none of the Syrtis players who face them every night have areas, none of these players have grasped the notion of casting MoD+Embes+charging en masse and unleashing with areas while the conjs heal our mod locks.

We can't even coordinate a massed fighter typhoon charge because most of the fighters that play that time of night for the most part don't charge. Let alone having typhoon. :-/

I love when i charge the fort, actually get a conj confused and another one to activate sanc, get the enemy turned around attacking me as i and a few other aggressive players sew mayhem, then rotating my screen to see that our army has not moved one step forward to take advantage of the situation.

Nothing like dying amidst an enemy army and knowing that your own warriors couldn't be bothered to do what they're designed to do.

Nothing like watching your army wiped out in a counter-charge and realizing that not one lock on your side has any crowd control skills at all.

Nothing like watching your allies shoot at every fighter, warlock, and archer the enemy has, but totally ignoring their conjurers.

Nothing like finally getting the enemy pushed to the gate, and then watching in frustration as your fighters waste time fighting every enemy that pops out of the gate for 2 seconds instead of beating the door down and ignoring them.

Nothing like being at the gate and having enemies pop out and cast typhoon after typhoon because your sides locks aren't smart enough to stand there with MoD continually cast. Nothing like watching the few locks who are smart enough to do it get cut down by enemy guards as no one helps them. It's only totally known that guards go right after MoD locks...and that they need protection.

It's pretty sad.

However, at other times of day we have some very good players who definitely know how to coordinate attacks better, and exploit opportunities, etc.

UmarilsStillHere

07-01-2008, 08:24 PM

I'm too much of a newbie to know what it was like at beta / just after, but in the time I've been playing, more and more people are just using the lamest tactics possible.

all to true...

Inkster

07-01-2008, 08:44 PM

I would say not only are there less skilled players in the game i have to agree with Blood on this

Who resists/evades more wins. Simple as that.

LenaRosemberg

07-01-2008, 09:18 PM

They are more great players and much much more bad players.

-Edge-

07-02-2008, 12:06 PM

Well id say it changed not after beta. We had our fair share of great fights up to id say about, 7 montha after beta, that was a time when alot of the big names were moving on, changing the game drastically, and there are people that failed to pass on what they know, and the knowledge just died. Example. Night Twix -> Boger -> ended unsucessfully.

For instance in my own class, I feel I have failed Ignis, I failed to show, and I just gave up to these new barbarians. (Raging morons, with no balls to stand ground,)

Basically sweet and short the true meaning of war is dying down day by day. No new players will understand that, as they are just a new era.

_dracus_

07-02-2008, 01:21 PM

DkySven

07-02-2008, 01:26 PM

_dracus_

07-02-2008, 01:28 PM

Yes, mind squasher is awesome :devil:

I'm a mind squasher pt abuser, (I think you've noticed).

-Edge-

07-02-2008, 04:10 PM

On the contrary Edge, I'm proud to see that the number of blunt barbarians in Syrtis is increasing. I've been fighting along side of pretty strong knights too, like Aurons, that were leading our troups quite well, IMO, coordinating areas, and charges. And really I enjoy my daily playing with the GG, they are just awesome.

Hammer ftw!
Its not about being a blunt barb, or a slashing barb...

Its about being unique, not a kissass

I can't speak for Syrtis, but in Ignis I see lots of warriors, (the majority being fresh copy/clone barbarians) that act in a way I cannot explain, pure ignorance and arogance

_dracus_

07-02-2008, 04:19 PM

Its not about being a blunt barb, or a slashing barb...

Its about being unique, not a kissass

I can't speak for Syrtis, but in Ignis I see lots of warriors, (the majority being fresh copy/clone barbarians) that act in a way I cannot explain, pure ignorance and arogance

Ok let me guess who they try to copycat ? ... Yoseba ? :D
I see lots of ignis barb running with an axe just to SC your ass.

-Edge-

07-02-2008, 04:32 PM

Ok let me guess who they try to copycat ? ... Yoseba ? :D
I see lots of ignis barb running with an axe just to SC your ass.
Well yeah, but not only Yoseba, I get the feeling sometimes IM getting copied, (laugh at me if you want :tsk_tsk: but its true, I see almost identical barbs like me running around. Doing what I do when they see me

One time while I was training, this SCer barb walked up to me while I was training and started really seriously, insulting me for using a blunt weapon. So I showed him in the trade window why I wear that kind of armour and weapon, and next thing I know is that the guy would not leave me alone, he was telling me to give him all my stuff,

another thing I saw another time was a SCer resting down on low HP, and when I was fighting around him he was running up to me and SCing my mob while I took damage, then he goes back to sit down, he kept doing this repeatedly after I told him to stop, but his response was jajaja fucker howdy.

I went away from him, but he chased me across the whole map for 5 mintues, bothering me because he felt like it. There were tons of mobs in that map, and he wanted to bother me.

These are not only 2 occurances, I see this everytime, ive learned plain and simple, this is the new generation of players, and its lovely isnt it.

I feel trapped in a box on my barbarian, I dont play it anymore because I FEEL like shit. I FEEL that theres ONLY 1 way to play a barb, and its by being another SCer, just like all the others, to play like a jack like all theothers, there is no more variety anymore!

Mattdoesrock

07-02-2008, 06:23 PM

Exactly.

There seems to be a new wave of SC monkies, all buffing at to their arm pits... "3000 cruz del sur JAJAJAJA," 74637383939373 cruz del sur JAJAJAJA."

The originality is stunning.

Chaos23452

07-02-2008, 07:03 PM

I personly dont know if there are less skilled players or not, i'm just a noob, but i belive that there are too many people who just want to go off and do there own thing and too few people who will listen to directions.

-Edge-

07-02-2008, 08:41 PM

Exactly.

There seems to be a new wave of SC monkies, all buffing at to their arm pits... "3000 cruz del sur JAJAJAJA," 74637383939373 cruz del sur JAJAJAJA."

The originality is stunning.
405305ru05325830940394709214011 JEJEJEJEJEJEJEJEJEJ JOJOJOJOJOJOJOJOJ

they can kiss my ass plain and simple

DkySven

07-02-2008, 09:12 PM

405305ru05325830940394709214011 JEJEJEJEJEJEJEJEJEJ JOJOJOJOJOJOJOJOJ

they can kiss my ass plain and simple
I'll kill them for you. :D

Mage_pegusas

07-02-2008, 09:16 PM

900 heal ally jojojo!!
900??? jejeje buena!!
600 heal self!! jajajaja
600?!?!?! aajajajajaajajajajajajajajajajojojojjojojojojoejej ejejejejeje....

Some people will find anything to 'jajaja/jojojo/jejeje" over.

Damn SC monkies can kiss my sanctuary/retaliation. Stay a barb edge, stick it to those SC monkies, keep ur playing style, you rock. ;)

Angelwinged_Devil

07-02-2008, 09:25 PM

define skilled ;)

although bloods statement is quite true :( I want more evasion spells for my warlock and some more mana giving stuff :D, maybe I should just go evasion->sm

GIGO305

07-03-2008, 01:07 AM

alot of ppl quit especialy with fatigue, and now the wave of pts coming in im FINALY considered a GROXO :guitar: but still lord of the pts...we NEED TO do something about all these pts

Eli2

07-03-2008, 12:01 PM

405305ru05325830940394709214011 JEJEJEJEJEJEJEJEJEJ JOJOJOJOJOJOJOJOJ

they can kiss my ass plain and simple

There is no reason to use a bigger font for useless spam.
I don't know what caused you to think a lack of forum manners is a good idea.
This forum is already filled with useless spam.

alot of ppl quit especialy with fatigue, and now the wave of pts coming in im FINALY considered a GROXO :guitar: but still lord of the pts...we NEED TO do something about all these pts

Aren't you able to bring your point across in a proper way.
Posts like this make you sound like an idiot.

Angelwinged_Devil

07-03-2008, 12:36 PM

are you in a bad mood eli :(?

Eli2

07-03-2008, 01:18 PM

are you in a bad mood eli :(?
This forum is just a mirror of what the game has become.
Yes, sometimes that makes me angry and sad. :ohill:

Angelwinged_Devil

07-03-2008, 01:38 PM

This forum is just a mirror of what the game has become.
Yes, sometimes that makes me angry and sad. :ohill:
/me pets eli
there there, we can have a pvp sometime ;D no mod or terror(this one would be stupid anyway

_dracus_

07-03-2008, 01:44 PM

/me pets eli
there there, we can have a pvp sometime ;D no mod or terror(this one would be stupid anyway

I lost a PvP against a warlock that used terror to put me on the ground ... don't know if it's stupid, it's a skill that is expensive to have, why not using it ?

Eli2

07-03-2008, 03:00 PM

Some time ago i had a pvp like situation against Valorius, i didn't use mod for the sake of warlok pvp tradition from the times when they were not as weak as they are now. And even as he has the stronger class at the moment he did use SotW. Just to give you one example of what the game has become. I just miss "The Spirit" that once ruled this game.

Inkster

07-03-2008, 04:10 PM

I personally echo Eli's thoughts on the game and forum. Also, the warzone is becoming less and less fun for many reasons

Froste

07-03-2008, 04:25 PM

Be careful, the first sign of becoming an old fart is to have your own ideals set in stone, made unchanging, and having your failing memory glorifying "The Good Ole' Days", when men were men and women were women, and everything was much better.

There are far more players today, and a larger percentage of the total of these players are simply better players.

If you feel that members of your realm might not be playing to his fullest, then consider that it might be your fault for not teaching them; back in beta and before everything was smaller and more tightly knit (and a lot fewer working skills). It's always up to the existing players to teach the new ones, and when you stop teaching the new waves and instead snorting in derision at them, that's when you're an old geezer (:

Eli2

07-03-2008, 04:58 PM

and having your failing memory glorifying "The Good Ole' Days"
If only my memory would fail i could forget the good times and enjoy all the crap that is around today.

If you feel that members of your realm might not be playing to his fullest, then consider that it might be your fault for not teaching them.
Given that the new players actually _want_ to learn something.
How to teach teamplay, respect and experience?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af1OxkFOK18

and when you stop teaching the new waves and instead snorting in derision at them, that's when you're an old geezer (:
I think you got me there i have gotten old ingame, maybe it's time to retire.

backe

07-03-2008, 05:50 PM

Given that the new players actually _want_ to learn something.
How to teach teamplay, respect and experience?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af1OxkFOK18

hahaha...bruce campbell ftw
i know, i know...its off topic, but i just couldn't resist!

ontopic:
so maybe its not only the skill level of players that has decreased, but the level of overall maturity? that would certainly make sense to me...

e30G

07-03-2008, 06:12 PM

Yeah there seems to be a growning number of copycats. It would be nice if they copied good players but some of them just copy lame tactics. I wouldn't be surprised if builds were copied. If it works for you then chances are it will work for somebody else. Besides, we have a limited number of skills, hence theoretically a limited number of build options. Eventually somebody else will stumble on a build that is the same to another player because it works well.

As for skill, I can't tell for sure if the newer players are less skilled or not. I get to meet some potentially good players all around Syrtis.

While individual player skill may be adequate, what is severely lacking is teamplay. Maybe the 10% rule has caused players to level alone more than in the past so they have no clue on good tactics and teamplay. I was once a proponent of the 10% rule (due to the large numbers of extremely low leveled players leeching off high leveled players) but I'm starting to think that it was better (without the 10% rule) since the realm learned how to work together in those huge parties.

Valorius

07-04-2008, 10:07 AM

makarios68

07-04-2008, 10:17 AM

I have to say that SOW is sometimes the right spell to cast early on, particularly when facing multiple enemies.

Examples:

- When a zarkit is hitting you for 400-500 a shot. (it's silly to stand there and take that kind of dmg, when you can avoid it with SOW.)

- When facing archers, particularly ones you know who use confuse.

- When mod is being used against you.

In 1v1 encounters i rarely use it (usually only if i'm in real trouble or the opponent is an archer and he/she uses it first)...

Eli2

07-04-2008, 12:43 PM

I cast SoTW in CASE you cast MoD.

And to keep you from burning off all my damn mana. Which is also quite annoying.
So you are basically saying you are using SoTW all the time.
Do you have any clue how annoying it is if your enemy has an instant invincible spell.
You have no Armor to speak of and little HP.
Even without SoTW only half of my spells hit a buffed up Hunter.

As Blood noticed: No skill required.

_dracus_

07-04-2008, 01:29 PM

makarios68

07-04-2008, 01:32 PM

So you are basically saying you are using SoTW all the time.
Do you have any clue how annoying it is if your enemy has an instant invincible spell.
You have no Armor to speak of and little HP.
Even without SoTW only half of my spells hit a buffed up Hunter.

As Blood noticed: No skill required.

I know it is suppposed to be an RvR game, but 1v1 fights are a regular feature, and i think a feature that most players would want to keep.

However, as things are i think it is true to say that the only class to beat an archer 1v1, is another archer. (There will obvious exceptions, but i would say that this is the general rule.)

I feel kinda bad for the other classes about this...

CumeriTarenes

07-04-2008, 01:39 PM

However, as things are i think it is true to say that the only class to beat an archer 1v1, is another archer. (There will obvious exceptions, but i would say that this is the general rule.)

well, this is a must be, escpecially for marksmen. They have no other skills to cast on allies. Every class has buffs/aura for allies, but archer have not (only spell on allies is stalker that hunters have). For this they have to be better in 1v1.

_dracus_

07-04-2008, 02:03 PM

well, this is a must be, escpecially for marksmen. They have no other skills to cast on allies. Every class has buffs/aura for allies, but archer have not (only spell on allies is stalker that hunters have). For this they have to be better in 1v1.

LOL! Good joke.

Anpu

07-04-2008, 02:12 PM

sotw is not never ending spell. it ll stop once after timer goes out. whats now duration of SotW? 20sec? there only needs less duration, other things are just fine atm according to name of spell (Son of the Wind).

Eli2

07-04-2008, 02:27 PM

I think the SoTW issue has already been discussed a lot, so we are beating a dead corpse.

The point i am trying to make is, when warloks were at the top of the food chain we knew which spells not to use in order to keep the imbalances on an acceptable level. And it just felt wrong to use them against weaker classes.
That way of thinking is long gone.

Anpu

07-04-2008, 02:44 PM

once game was beta, now its not. game changed so players too.

game population is mostly spanish speaking players, you cant do much with them nor learn them of some good manners in war and such. Even in English community sometimes you cant learn all, but one group. That group, when becomes group of very respected fighters, will be example for others who would like to change their wrong style, IF tey want to change. tht affects also if they are mature and aware of it or not.

Atm, current stage of game is: gather as many as possible rps (since now all can see their rps). How many times you saw recently PvP where some pt comes and interrupts it, hungry of "free" rps, trying to finish wounded enemy?
Or how many times you come to one place, they say: PvP, you chill then and stand to watch and then tons of Alsius appear clearing whole area?
How many times you can see very rude hunter who stands at altar trying to get free rps? Today, one very very little pt, tried that.
And remember how much save camping was year before. And also check amount of old players vs new ones. Math is there simple, solution is very bad
but thats the way it is, you cant do much to change it, but at least you can still try with one group or your new clan members. group by group, clan by clan, better overall performance.

Angelwinged_Devil

07-04-2008, 03:18 PM

I lost a PvP against a warlock that used terror to put me on the ground ... don't know if it's stupid, it's a skill that is expensive to have, why not using it ?
because of slow casting time, high mana cost and long cooldown you might need it later

makarios68

07-04-2008, 03:50 PM

I had 2 great moment yesterday. First was when I finished that SotW hunter with a spiritual blow that landed through his SotW. The second was killing a hunter that attacked me while I was coming back from AFK. He almost got me, but I totally finished him :D
It's interesting that your 'great' moments were both against hunters.

They really are the hated class of the game, aren't they?

But i know how you feel.

When playing my barb i also get the greatest satisfaction from killing hunters...

_dracus_

07-04-2008, 04:40 PM

It's interesting that your 'great' moments were both against hunters.

They really are the hated class of the game, aren't they?

But i know how you feel.

When playing my barb i also get the greatest satisfaction from killing hunters...

Yes I fail to see why ?