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Pizdzius
08-15-2008, 06:42 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/georgia/2562984/Journalists-come-under-attack-in-Georgia.html
and I heard the peace truce was signed ;/
yes, bad thing is this :/
have you hear about the FPS game created in 2001 that says that in 2008 will be a battle between russia, kazakhstan against usa and georgia?
when i saw that i get annoyed O.O
check this out:
http://videogames.yahoo.com/feature/georgia-russia-conflict-predicted-in-2001-video-game/1237410
Pizdzius
08-15-2008, 06:55 PM
yes, bad thing is this :/
have you hear about the FPS game created in 2001 that says that in 2008 will be a battle between russia, kazakhstan against usa and georgia?
when i saw that i get annoyed O.O
check this out:
http://videogames.yahoo.com/feature/georgia-russia-conflict-predicted-in-2001-video-game/1237410
like you never knew that they were going to fight ;/ that was obvious, just as Chechenya
i'm just annoyed about fake truce
ArcticWolf
08-15-2008, 07:06 PM
like you never knew that they were going to fight ;/ that was obvious, just as Chechenya
i'm just annoyed about fake truce
That truce is a temporal cease of fire, and it will last long enough to reload their weapons. There won't be a truce, never. :(
BlooD
08-15-2008, 07:06 PM
i'm just annoyed about fake truce
I am a bit lost about that, i heard Georgia was trying to sign a truce since the start of the week but Russia did like they didnt hear nothing.
So now, when Russia has what he wanted they made Georgia sign their own truce?
BTW http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/5946079.html
Nuclear arms? OMG what a buch of idiots...
Pizdzius
08-15-2008, 08:13 PM
OH LOL come on we used the Georgia's situation to sign that damn rocket defence system we've been trying to obtain for a year
they aren't nukes, just plain system of small rockets against invasion (they say from south east, but we just wanted US to protect us in any case, we don't have ANY troops to defend)
oh, you meant russian nukes. That they want to bombard warsaw (the place where I live). Hmm, not really, they'd prefer to destroy the rocket defence site so I am 60% calm :p
(oh, blood, you're back ;) )
-Edge-
08-16-2008, 11:52 AM
BTW http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/5946079.html
Nuclear arms? OMG what a buch of idiots...
Well why is Russia getting so wound up about that in that case? So Poland feels it needs anti-missle protection, and now suddenly Russia gets the feeling (oh no we won't be able to take over Poland now)
Russia has had its eyes on Poland for a long time, the way they react to the Anti-Missle Shield is only more proof of that.
Hmm, not really, they'd prefer to destroy the rocket defence site so I am 60% calm :p
And why is that :p ??
Russia want's Poland open to missles *cough* I mean their missles *cough* for a reason.
BTW in the days before the shield is created, Russia might actually take advantage of their final opprotunitys to strike while they can, least thats my view.
DkySven
08-16-2008, 01:13 PM
BTW http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/5946079.html
Nuclear arms? OMG what a buch of idiots...
Since when is a defensive system offensive? It will only hinder Russia if they do fire missiles at Poland.
Pizdzius
08-16-2008, 01:24 PM
Since when is a defensive system offensive? It will only hinder Russia if they do fire missiles at Poland.
to be honest I don't think that system will do anything at all. When the missles are shot, flying with incredible speed, how can small rockets possibly get ready and struck those down?
DkySven
08-16-2008, 01:29 PM
to be honest I don't think that system will do anything at all. When the missles are shot, flying with incredible speed, how can small rockets possibly get ready and struck those down?
Radar tracks the rockets and finds out which way the rocket is going, then they launch a small rocket to a point where the both rockets will meet. The small rocket will intercept the big nuke.
Pizdzius
08-16-2008, 01:36 PM
Radar tracks the rockets and finds out which way the rocket is going, then they launch a small rocket to a point where the both rockets will meet. The small rocket will intercept the big nuke.
either way poland gets owned, cause the explosion parts are going to strike us xD
fluffy_muffin
08-16-2008, 01:36 PM
Since when is a defensive system offensive? It will only hinder Russia if they do fire missiles at Poland.
Since it is good for propaganda. Russia forget to say that they have quite nice rocket force in Kaliningrad. Shield in Poland is located in way that make it useless against Russia (it is to close to border). But who care? :]
We even wanted to give Russia right to come and watch this installation from time to time. But no. Russia just want to play like they used to. Force and money.
Pizdzius
08-16-2008, 01:44 PM
Since it is good for propaganda. Russia forget to say that they have quite nice rocket force in Kaliningrad. Shield in Poland is located in way that make it useless against Russia (it is to close to border). But who care? :]
We even wanted to give Russia right to come and watch this installation from time to time. But no. Russia just want to play like they used to. Force and money.
exactly. And the system is rather a key for us to feel safe, cause we know that US will defend their soldiers here :p
-Edge-
08-16-2008, 01:46 PM
to be honest I don't think that system will do anything at all. When the missles are shot, flying with incredible speed, how can small rockets possibly get ready and struck those down?
American Interception technology is top notch in the world, it can trace and hit a missle faster near seconds from when it is launched.
Isn't it funny how Russia act's though?
Imo they are attacking Georgia for fun aswell, they love to kill people, and they haven't done it in a long time, thats why even after ceasefire is called, they bomb again.
exactly. And the system is rather a key for us to feel safe, cause we know that US will defend their soldiers here :p
Right,
how is Russia the good guy if they don't want Poland to be able to defend itself. It's clearly because they still want Poland as a satellite state.
Pizdzius
08-16-2008, 03:50 PM
Imo they are attacking Georgia for fun aswell, they love to kill people, and they haven't done it in a long time, thats why even after ceasefire is called, they bomb again.
I don't think this is a game, Edge. :p They don't LOVe to kill. They have their strategy. They let their economy fall right now, this is a HUGE sacrifice but if they took it, it means that they want to fill Georgia's govern with their people and gain control of this country. It's not about just killing people.
You obviously got your head filled with some propaganda
-Edge-
08-16-2008, 06:29 PM
I don't think this is a game, Edge. :p They don't LOVe to kill. They have their strategy. They let their economy fall right now, this is a HUGE sacrifice but if they took it, it means that they want to fill Georgia's govern with their people and gain control of this country. It's not about just killing people.
You obviously got your head filled with some propaganda
Well you are older than me, and native to Poland, wheras ive been here since October, my view is different.
I know, your right,
Pizdzius
08-16-2008, 07:12 PM
Well you are older than me, and native to Poland, wheras ive been here since October, my view is different.
I know, your right,
I just want to show you the other side of the situation, there are so many informations coming from every source, people have to learn to filter it
Valorius
08-16-2008, 07:53 PM
Poland just signed a second, independent alliance with the US. Even if NATO did nothing, the US will protect Poland from Russia(and everyone else) now. The flip side is that Poland has also pledged to defend the US from all enemies as well, on top of Poland's NATO commitment.
Poland is getting Patriot anti-aircraft missiles from the US, in return the US is being allowed to base anti-ICBM ground based interceptor missiles on Polish soil. Presumably it will be a pretty large US base with ground personnel to protect it, and most likely some fighter aircraft as well, but time will tell on that.
The Georgia situation is extremely fragile. The US would love to help more, but at the same time doing so could spark WWIII, so it's important that whatever the US does be subtle and well measured. The US did fly back all the Georgian troops in Iraq, and also sent some food and supply planes to help out as well. Hopefully the truce holds and Georgia can get into NATO. Russia would have to be totally insane to attack a NATO state.
-Edge-
08-17-2008, 11:00 AM
Poland is getting Patriot anti-aircraft missiles from the US, in return the US is being allowed to base anti-ICBM ground based interceptor missiles on Polish soil. Presumably it will be a pretty large US base with ground personnel to protect it, and most likely some fighter aircraft as well, but time will tell on that.
Should also make some jobs for both Poles and Americans
Pizdzius
08-17-2008, 11:32 AM
Should also make some jobs for both Poles and Americans
yeah and our porn industry will get billions ;)
http://users.skynet.be/fa018426/Georgia.jpg
this is just SICK!
Static_Fang
08-17-2008, 11:34 AM
:looking: The hell!?!
That HAS to be a joke question, which is sick...
-Edge-
08-17-2008, 12:34 PM
yeah and our porn industry will get billions ;)
Another one of the things you won't find in America :eek:
http://users.skynet.be/fa018426/Georgia.jpg
this is just SICK!
wow, I never knew there was a level of that kind of stupidity
Pizdzius
08-17-2008, 08:11 PM
http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/political-pictures-george-bush-jr-sr-russia-georgia.jpg
BlooD
08-18-2008, 06:08 PM
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20080813/cartoon20080813.gif
I am too lazy to directly post it xD
Pizdzius
08-18-2008, 07:10 PM
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20080813/cartoon20080813.gif
I am too lazy to directly post it xD
the worst thing is, that's true thoughts. xDD
'cept for Poland. We gonna be nuked.
BlooD
08-18-2008, 07:14 PM
the worst thing is, that's true thoughts. xDD
Thats why it is funny.
'cept for Poland. We gonna be nuked.
Wat? I though it was just the drunk comments of a general who drank too much antifreeze.
They are going to attack because US have a anti-missile system in Poland agains Russia attacks?
This its more stupid each day.
DkySven
08-18-2008, 07:51 PM
I think Russia just tries to intimidate Poland, they are not really going to attack. It would be crazy to attack a NATO-land.
Pizdzius
08-18-2008, 08:56 PM
I think Russia just tries to intimidate Poland, they are not really going to attack. It would be crazy to attack a NATO-land.
today Russian politician said that it'd be best for poland to be taken over by Germany and Russia again ;] so you know, they're still... the same. Their threats are old, too.
BlooD
08-18-2008, 08:59 PM
today Russian politician said that it'd be best for poland to be taken over by Germany and Russia again ;] so you know, they're still... the same. Their threats are old, too.
Well here in Spain we have politics who think we were better when we had Franco as dictator.
I mean, there is still not idiocy vaccine yet, you need a lot of yeas and they usually die before they are sane. Even if a politician says nonsense that doesnt mean its going to happen. At least here in Spain.
Valorius
08-18-2008, 09:07 PM
When dealing with russia it is important to remember they are institutionally paranoid. They've been invaded so many times by so many empires that they see everything as a possible threat. They never want to be struck by an Operation Barbarossa ever again, so they definitely seem to over-react to things.
Clearly 10 missile interceptors in Poland will do nothing to stop the thousands of missiles the Russians can hit Europe with. Clearly a 10 interceptor base is intended to stop a missile or two fired from a rogue state like Iran or Pakistan from hitting our allies in Europe. But the Russians are so paranoid they don't see it that way. They are not rational thinkers in this matter because of their history. They've been invaded by Ghengis Kahn, Napoleon, Kasier Wilhelm, and Hitler, and had large portions of their lands occupied by the British and Americans. So their paranoia is as understandable as it is extreme.
But it is definitely not helpful.
DkySven
08-18-2008, 09:08 PM
Here we have Geert Wilders, who thinks every Muslim wants to kill every non-Muslim. Every country has his idiots.
Pizdzius
08-18-2008, 09:29 PM
seems like western europe has most of them though ;)
-Edge-
08-19-2008, 10:27 AM
seems like western europe has most of them though ;)
Well I know that in Eastern America its still racism wars, strong hates between black and white, and you see alot of crime.
Pizdzius
08-19-2008, 11:52 AM
Well I know that in Eastern America its still racism wars, strong hates between black and white, and you see alot of crime.
I'd rather say that in Sweden, France and Belgium there are worse wars than in Eastern part.
Static_Fang
08-19-2008, 11:54 AM
I'd rather say that in Sweden, France and Belgium there are worse wars than in Eastern part.
The east? Really? I always thought it was the west...my bad >.<
Ertial
08-19-2008, 08:06 PM
The United States aren't making things better with this rocket shield. Like said before it isn't very powerful against attacks on a large scale, but it is threatening the Russians. Currently the NATO can't extend their military infrastructure in Poland and other Eastern European countries.
If the EU won't loosen their relation with the United States, it will be very hard for Sarkozy to get real peace. Currently Bush seems way to eager to go to war; at least he speaks like the Cold War is coming back.
The promise to Poland that the US would protect them isn't something I'd trust very much. The United Kingdom and France declared the war to Germany in the WWII and told they would help Poland. If I'm right the only help were some British ships, that didn't do much. If the US government is going to go on like they're going now I don't think their army would even have enough money to help Poland. Even though there is indeed going a lot of money to innovation, a lot of parts are not in the fine state they want us to believe. A lot of old equipment is in use and since the US is currently on the road to bankruptcy I think the JSF is one of the last new projects for the army before it needs to shrink. The recession isn't ended yet, it has just started.
Pizdzius
08-19-2008, 08:20 PM
Yest, I don't think you know exactly what we are going to have installed. A small set of rockets. No threat for Russia and they know it. It's for disarm in air, not shooting airplanes.
I heard those rocket sites are part of American shield to protect their land from possible Russia strike (since they have too many nukes and American "inner" shield is not too efficient against full attack) and maybe Iran. So they are just using relations with Western Europe to use countries closer to Russia to intercept missiles and protect USA from rockets and possible disaster that can be done in such actions.
Also about USA weapons, I agree with Yest. They are taking part in world operations and doing invasions to spend some old stock of weapons that needs to enhance and replace.
JSF was last thing I ve also heard thats is rolling. Lockeed Martin(part of Boeing now, hope I spelled it good) made 1 good prototype with no pilot driving plane in cabin but from Earth station. Plane looked quite cool must say, not standard looking like others are.
Also, making F22 Raptor had problems during developing while Russians with even problems with military budget, made Su 47 that had better performance and radar invisibility matching with F 22. Not totally better, but had some better things, that made F22 developing team bit worrying (angles etc)
Overall, none of the sides learned from striking Japan at WW2 with such weapons. With every year, human beings are worse and worse, thinking more of their ass than on place where they live and around them. I mean, no one cares that south Romania is now able to have tropical fruits because of climate that is totally changed because of polutions.
Sometimes I would really like they all launch rockets and we die all, better then fighting and destroying planet every day. Its our only home, we cant escape anywhere. Even Mars has water, its not ready yet to accept people as new home, but none think about it but how to be dominant in world and be some "big power" with rockets in pockets.
Maybe all this sounds retarded, but I really think so. Watching news and politicians both home and foreign, make me sick of it. Too many lies, grins, shaking hands and disasters in same time.
Pizdzius
08-20-2008, 11:33 AM
oh Anpu, I know what you think really. But their plan is, to strike us down with nukes. There's a monument in USA saying that people should be exterminated in 80% of population.
The truth is, it's mostly our fault what those who own power do. Most of normal people fall for their traps, promises etc. WE never learn.
-Edge-
08-20-2008, 11:47 AM
The United Kingdom and France declared the war to Germany in the WWII and told they would help Poland. If I'm right the only help were some British ships, that didn't do much.
First of all :D I use this as an example alot in my "Why Britian sucks" (American vs Britain conflict :sifflote: )conversations.
If the US government is going to go on like they're going now I don't think their army would even have enough money to help Poland. Even though there is indeed going a lot of money to innovation, a lot of parts are not in the fine state they want us to believe. A lot of old equipment is in use and since the US is currently on the road to bankruptcy I think the JSF is one of the last new projects for the army before it needs to shrink. The recession isn't ended yet, it has just started.
Ok now for seriousness, I think the USA knows what its doing, clearly they will be using Poland more now as a place to have good control in Europe, just like with Istanbul.
Russia is the one that's over reacting, saying Poland would actually ATTACK something is like saying.... haha saying that George Bush would go tuba diving with Osama Bin Laden (Though he has)
I heard those rocket sites are part of American shield to protect their land from possible Russia strike (since they have too many nukes and American "inner" shield is not too efficient against full attack) and maybe Iran. So they are just using relations with Western Europe to use countries closer to Russia to intercept missiles and protect USA from rockets and possible disaster that can be done in such actions.
The Cold War is over my friend, there are already plenty of places to protect both Russia and the USA from attack. They would not go out into the public with stuff like this if it was to build another defense for America.
Also if that was the case Russia would be mad at the USA not Poland.
DkySven
08-20-2008, 03:12 PM
First of all :D I use this as an example alot in my "Why Britian sucks" (American vs Britain conflict :sifflote: )conversations.
Yes, because the USA was brave enough to do nothing and the UK had to fight alone until 1941.
Ertial
08-20-2008, 03:38 PM
We had an interesting discussion with our history teacher about whether the Cold War is over, or still going on. For both points of view are quite good arguments(even though I forgot them :(), so we didn't really found a conclusion(we also didn't have much time to do so, actually).
Even though those rockets might be small, the signal that Russia gets is that they are considered as a potential threat. Maybe they are indeed, but it's not very smart to confront them with this so openly. Don't anger the bear!
DkySven
08-20-2008, 03:41 PM
Even though those rockets might be small, the signal that Russia gets is that they are considered as a potential threat. Maybe they are indeed, but it's not very smart to confront them with this so openly. Don't anger the bear!
Russia just search a causi bella in my opinion.
Ertial
08-20-2008, 03:49 PM
That's probably right, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try to don't give them a reason.
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