Witness a true American female...

[Hell_bound]

McCain's Pick for VP...

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2008-09-02-images-sarahpalinbikini.jpg

And to think, some said she wasn't hot...

[BlooD]

MILF for VP!

Isnt this the one who said irak war was divine command?

[Hell_bound]

... Isnt this the one who said irak war was divine command?

I wouldn't put it past her...

But here is the deal...

Not only can she hunt bear, moose and other large game, but she can skin them, butcher them, cook them and eat them too...

Ah yes, the quintessential American female!

The kind of female you would want to be married to when the Apocalypse comes...

:devil:

Yeah, she's hot!

[BlooD]

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/02/palin-iraq-god/

For me, someone who says that cant be in charge of anything.

Less in the government.

[Ironfoot]

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/02/palin-iraq-god/

For me, someone who says that cant be in charge of anything.

Less in the government.

LOOL what a crazy bitch!! :looking:

[Hell_bound]

LOOL what a crazy bitch!! :looking:

But an honest-to-goodness American female, who is sexy too...

:clapping5365:

God don't make them like that anymore!

[Ironfoot]

Hey Hell bound, is your signature some joke,or are you a god-fearing christian ?

[Hell_bound]

Hey Hell bound, is your signature some joke,or are you a god-fearing christian ?

First, I fear no man made god...

Second, I have witnessed the real god and that god has spoken to me...

Third, you should know that google is your friend.

[Ironfoot]

Second, I have witnessed the real god and he has spoken to me...



Yeah, whatever you say. On topic, she aint hot, she's fat imo.

[ArcticWolf]

Yeah, whatever you say. On topic, she aint hot, she's fat imo.

...But she's holding a rifle.

[Hell_bound]

Yeah, whatever you say. On topic, she aint hot, she's fat imo.

First of all, she's not fat. Especially for a female who had 5 kids.

Second, I bet she can beat your ass down.

Yeah, she's smoking!

[Torg_Snowflake]

Americans keep on finding ways to denigrate themselves even more and make the rest of the world happier and happier for not living there...

And yeah, I would hit that. I would hit pretty much anything (no piz...female...)

[BlooD]

Hey Hell bound, is your signature some joke,or are you a god-fearing christian ?

Its from a manga, Hellsing, the one who says it is a vampire who defeats vampires in the name of god because some thing i have already forgotten.

Its a good manga btw xD

[Hell_bound]

Its from a manga, Hellsing, the one who says it is a vampire who defeats vampires in the name of god because some thing i have already forgotten.

Its a good manga btw xD

It's one of my favorites

Did you know that the main character's name, Alucard, is really Dracula backwards?

Fun facts, got to love them!

[ArcticWolf]

It's one of my favorites

One of mines too.

[Malik2]

I don't agree with anything she says but that is a photoshopped picture and whoever made it should be ashamed.

If it was a real pic, I might think differently.

[Pizdzius]

I don't agree with anything she says but that is a photoshopped picture and whoever made it should be ashamed.

If it was a real pic, I might think differently.

exactly :p

[Hydroxidee]

First, I fear no man made god...

Second, I have witnessed the real god and that god has spoken to me...

Third, you should know that google is your friend.

There is only one God. End of discussion.

Bai.

[ArcticWolf]

There is only one God. End of discussion.

I can't deny the existence of god, neither I can believe in a god. I don't know about Hell_bound or the rest of the forums, but not everyone is a monotheist Jew/Christian/Muslim in this world. :)

[Hell_bound]

I don't agree with anything she says but that is a photoshopped picture and whoever made it should be ashamed.

If it was a real pic, I might think differently.

If you ever did any research at all on her you would know that that pic was not photoshop'd...

As a matter of fact there are pictures of her oldest daughter holding an assault rifle.

Her whole family is into guns and love to hunt and eat big game...

Why you think that its photoshop'd is because you think a female cannot be like that...

Kinda eats at your manhood don't it...

And for that reason alone she is hotter then hell!

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[davio]

http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/bin/171.$plit/orig_C_0_fotogallery_3839_listaorizzontale_foto_0_ fotoorizzontale.jpg

I'd like to have a crab like this for my living room! :looking:

[Pizdzius]

http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/bin/171.$plit/orig_C_0_fotogallery_3839_listaorizzontale_foto_0_ fotoorizzontale.jpg

I'd like to have a crab like this for my living room! :looking:


HOLY SH1T!!!!
The clouds are so fluffy!

[Static_Fang]

HOLY SH1T!!!!
The clouds are so fluffy!

LOL!

How did i not see that comming xD
'OMG!- I love oreos!'

[Pizdzius]

I have similar cell phone!

[Hell_bound]

I have similar cell phone!

That's not a cell phone on the table next to the crab, but a digital voice recorder (she's in a middle of an interview).

An olympus, I believe.

Here's a link to mine: http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_archived_product_details.asp?fl=2&id=1153

[-Edge-]

fat for me

how could you get a boner off that?

[Hell_bound]

fat for me

how could you get a boner off that?

Obviously you're still to young to appreciate older females...

When you get old, you'll understand...

[Pizdzius]

obviously you're so old you can appreciate even my dead ancestors. Perv!

Anyway, I have totally different taste in women, I prefer east europe beauty and no american girl will beat that.

[-Edge-]

obviously you're so old you can appreciate even my dead ancestors. Perv!


burned so ftw

[Hell_bound]

obviously you're so old you can appreciate even my dead ancestors. Perv!

Tell you the truth, I do appreciate your ancestors, though not in the way your thinking...

Anyway, I have totally different taste in women, I prefer east europe beauty and no american girl will beat that.

I like all types of females, but Palin shines as a true American beauty!

[-Edge-]

I like all types of females, but Palin shines as a true American beauty!
Dude! Don't make American girls look bad XD!

[Pizdzius]

Funny cause 60% of american females have intensines health problems, eat in fast food chains and use ridiculous amounts of makeup

[Hell_bound]

Dude! Don't make American girls look bad XD!


Next to Palin...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/Palin1.JPG/225px-Palin1.JPG

99.9% of the American females look bad.

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[ArcticWolf]

Funny cause 60% of american females have intensines health problems, eat in fast food chains and use ridiculous amounts of makeup

You got a valid point... And a very good one.

[Hell_bound]

You got a valid point... And a very good one.

And with the way you guys talk about how Palin isn't hot, one would have thought it's because you long to bed with Paris Hilton types of America...

:no:

[ArcticWolf]

And with the way you guys talk about how Palin isn't hot, one would have thought it's because you long to bed with Paris Hilton types of America...

:no:

Beauty goes beyond body, that's what I wanted to say.

[Hell_bound]

Beauty goes beyond body, that's what I wanted to say.

Of course it does...

Think of all the things Palin can do...

Think of the high intelligence she must have in order to be picked VP, mayor of Alaska and other positions she has had...

Also think of what its like to be a mother of 5 children...

Then also think of how she builds her rationals to support her positions with religion...

If that doesn't mark intelligence then I don't know what does.

Also she is more then a woman, fulfilling the role of a male in many ways that most females can't (hunting big game, butchering them and loves big guns).

Then think of all the love she must have in her heart, to want to guide the American nation, a sign of a woman that very much loves her country.

And if all that doesn't go beyond her looks, her body... then I'm not a male!

[Malik2]

If you ever did any research at all on her you would know that that pic was not photoshop'd...

As a matter of fact there are pictures of her oldest daughter holding an assault rifle.

Her whole family is into guns and love to hunt and eat big game...

Why you think that its photoshop'd is because you think a female cannot be like that...

Kinda eats at your manhood don't it...

And for that reason alone she is hotter then hell!

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Thanks for your comment. Below is the link to both the phony bikini picture and the origional.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charlotte-hilton-andersen/sarah-palin-bikini-pictur_b_123234.html

[Hell_bound]

Thanks for your comment. Below is the link to both the phony bikini picture and the origional.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charlotte-hilton-andersen/sarah-palin-bikini-pictur_b_123234.html

Rock on, you proved me wrong!

Though I could counter that what they claim to be the "original picture" is in fact photoshop'd...

But i'll accept this ;)

[Pizdzius]

I'm sorry Hell Bound, but most of our beliefs fall apart after we're shown the truth :p

[Ironfoot]

I just read that her 18 year old daughter is pregnant with 17year old kid for more than 5 months. Is that very Cristian thing to do? HA!
Good parenting or simply a bad kid?

[Hell_bound]

I just read that her 18 year old daughter is pregnant with 17year old kid for more than 5 months. Is that very Cristian thing to do? HA!
Good parenting or simply a bad kid?

I think in order for you to understand that issue is to set aside any preconceptions you might have about what, who christians are...

Also it's rather unfair to blame the parents for the child getting pregnant...

Yet sex education is taught in public schools around the US, so her child understood the concept of contraceptives and knew where to go to get them, and also use them...

And another thing is that its rather common for teens to be pregnant in the US now, so in really its not out of the norm...

It's been like that since the late 80's...


So to end this I think it's really unfair for you to blame any parent for what their child does, especially being only one year away from being considered an adult by law.

[Angel_de_Combate]

I just read that her 18 year old daughter is pregnant with 17year old kid for more than 5 months. Is that very Cristian thing to do? HA!
Good parenting or simply a bad kid?

Excuse me i fell pregnant at 17..does that automatically make me a bad parent too >.>..How old you are does not imply whether your capable of raising your kids in the right way..what you just said is bloody crap !!!!

[Angel_de_Combate]

Of course it does...

Think of all the things Palin can do...

Think of the high intelligence she must have in order to be picked VP, mayor of Alaska and other positions she has had...

Also think of what its like to be a mother of 5 children...

Then also think of how she builds her rationals to support her positions with religion...

If that doesn't mark intelligence then I don't know what does.

Also she is more then a woman, fulfilling the role of a male in many ways that most females can't (hunting big game, butchering them and loves big guns).

Then think of all the love she must have in her heart, to want to guide the American nation, a sign of a woman that very much loves her country.

And if all that doesn't go beyond her looks, her body... then I'm not a male!

Really cant see what all the bloody fuss is about..im pretty sure doesnt stand a chance get voted in seeing as , most men are threatened by intelligent, hard working, passionate woman ...who know what they want and how to get it.. However for all her good points, your really think shes up to it H_B are you just in love with her..cause it sounds like it..Maybe you should walk around with a plackard saying "I Love Palin"..Whos knows ! :P

[Hell_bound]

... most men are threatened by intelligent, hard working, passionate woman ...who know what they want and how to get it..

This was the whole point of bring this thread into existence, to gage if the guys here would be threatened by her. Hence the picture of her in the first post.

But to tell you the truth I can't tell if they are, even though I tried to refocus the conversation (silently) on this subject many times.

... However for all her good points, your really think shes up to it H_B...

Well to tell the truth I think she has more moxie then any male candidate I seen in years.

And another truth is: I'm enamored by the fact that, for the first time since I been born, a female has been able to break into the ranks of whats been considered a man's domain only in America.

Women are important enough, strong enough, and intelligent enough (to me they always have been) to run this country - is the real message of her.

And the most important thing here: is that this message is conveyed through a conservative, fundamentalist political group in which females have always taken a back seat to males.

I mean how bizarre!


... [or] are you just in love with her..cause it sounds like it..Maybe you should walk around with a plackard saying "I Love Palin"...

Hehe...

No, to tell the truth in my personal life christian fundamentalists have always rubbed me the wrong way.

And for this fact alone, even given all her good traits and her beauty (anyone who says shes not good looking is lying), I could never "lover" her.

However, I respect her and see how important she is to every female in not only America, but the world in standing up as role model for female rights.



Hell_bound

[Angel_de_Combate]

So basically your happy with a woman effectively(if it happens)..telling you what to do so to speak ? :P

[Hell_bound]

So basically your happy with a woman effectively(if it happens)..telling you what to do so to speak ? :P

It's strange that you would say this because while in relationships I've been known to allow females to dictate everything...

And there are three reasons for this, that I can think of right now...

One, giving that much power to anyone in your life was seen as the ultimate sacrifice in the name of "love"

Two, the relationships seemed to be less argumentative (at lest in the beginning)

Three, being that I have such a strong personality it only seemed fair to give this status to the female


The longest relationship I had while holding on to this silly belief was 12 years

But as you can imagine all those relationships (as well as the 12 year one) failed because eventually I would need to assert myself or the female would be doing other things, outside the relationship, that was destructive to the relationship...

[Angel_de_Combate]

It's strange that you would say this because while in relationships I've been known to allow females to dictate everything...

And there are three reasons for this, that I can think of right now...

One, giving that much power to anyone in your life was seen as the ultimate sacrifice in the name of "love"

To give away power makes you weak..

Two, the relationships seemed to be less argumentative (at lest in the beginning)

Sounds like your werent being yourself there

Three, being that I have such a strong personality it only seemed fair to give this status to the female

Well seems like you have a strong personality all right..just you see the internet...you can kinda be whatever you want to be..im not totally sure..i mean be honest..wouldnt you have people baying for blood, if you were in real life like.. how you are here H_B ?


The longest relationship I had while holding on to this silly belief was 12 years

5 years for me..and way too long in my opinion now

But as you can imagine all those relationships (as well as the 12 year one) failed because eventually I would need to assert myself or the female would be doing other things, outside the relationship, that was destructive to the relationship....

i.e she cheated on you..right ?

Im not being disrespectful..just...i dont know to be honest :P

[Ironfoot]

Excuse me i fell pregnant at 17..does that automatically make me a bad parent too >.>..How old you are does not imply whether your capable of raising your kids in the right way..what you just said is bloody crap !!!!

No it aint crap IMO. I would never like to be a father at age 17. No way in hell.
You wanted to be a mom at 17? be honest about it.
If i ever have kids, i dont want that to happen to them.
And i would blame myself, for not being a good parent. Btw im 22 years old now, i study still, no way in hell ill be a parent anytime soon. Not till im ready, settled, and all that. i still play computer games ffs, as you do.

[Angel_de_Combate]

No it aint crap IMO. I would never like to be a father at age 17. No way in hell.
You wanted to be a mom at 17? be honest about it.
If i ever have kids, i dont want that to happen to them.
And i would blame myself, for not being a good parent. Btw im 22 years old now, i study still, no way in hell ill be a parent anytime soon. Not till im ready, settled, and all that. i still play computer games ffs, as you do.

Its not about whether i wanted it or not.. >.> It happened and i took my responsibilties.. you said that being pregnant at 17 means bad parenting or a bad kid...my mum did the best she can.. and im a bloody good mum thankyou very much.. i have two very clever and very talented, well rounded kids, even after all theyve been through. It was my mistake not my parents and they supported me all the bloody well....you have no idea..its people like you who make young girls feel ashamed about something that in cases is just sheer bad luck. BTW what has me playing computer game got to do with anything..lame.

Your just being very judgemental.

[Hell_bound]

To give away power makes you weak..

Yes and no, again it's a matter of perspective...

For example, a person that gives up their last kidney so that their child can live...

This individual has given up all their power of life to another, but yet its the most beautiful thing any human can do.

It should be noted that the reason I feel so strongly about the the issue of female rights was because I was mostly raised by females...

And of the step-dads that I had they were abusive towards my mother and sister...

So giving up my "male privilege" always seemed like the most assured way to not become like them.



... Sounds like your werent being yourself there

Your right and that was because at that time I was unwilling to look at myself, the relationship and females honestly...


... Well seems like you have a strong personality all right..just you see the internet...you can kinda be whatever you want to be..im not totally sure..i mean be honest..wouldnt you have people baying for blood, if you were in real life like.. how you are here H_B ?

LOL! I do act this way in real life, but not as blunt. However, in all the times I been blunt in real life no one, and I mean no one, has ever wanted to do harm to me (even as a teen dealing drugs)...

See in realty I'm a very nice guy that you don't want to cross and people see that in my eyes, and how I excel towards the wishes of authority figures (either bosses at work, local public figures and such).

I know my place and I also know not only when to act but that I have the power to act (and so do they) ;)


... 5 years for me..and way too long in my opinion now

Yes, at the end the 12 years it was total hell - something I would never live through again - I'd rather live alone for eternity.


... i.e she cheated on you..right ?

That is correct.


Hell_bound

[Angel_de_Combate]

Now im going to be very direct..if anybody was to post what i just posted before..would you have given a reply post as nice as that one ? (you answered all of my points perfectly, btw)

[Ironfoot]

Its not about whether i wanted it or not.. >.> It happened and i took my responsibilties.. you said that being pregnant at 17 means bad parenting or a bad kid...my mum did the best she can.. and im a bloody good mum thankyou very much.. i have two very clever and very talented, well rounded kids, even after all theyve been through. It was my mistake not my parents and they supported me all the bloody well....you have no idea..its people like you who make young girls feel ashamed about something that in cases is just sheer bad luck. BTW what has me playing computer game got to do with anything..lame.

Your just being very judgemental.

Yes i am being judgemental. Thats the way i am. Im not saying u are bad mother, dont put words in my mouth. I said, and i can see from your post too, that its a mistake to be pregnant at age 17. kids making kids u know. Im not trying to "hurt" you, i dont care that much to be honest. I just want you to be honest. I asked, i didnt say.
Im not an enemy, to be an enemy, i must care. I truly dont, its just for the sake of the argument.

[Angel_de_Combate]

Yes i am being judgemental. Thats the way i am. Im not saying u are bad mother, dont put words in my mouth. I said, and i can see from your post too, that its a mistake to be pregnant at age 17. kids making kids u know. Im not trying to "hurt" you, i dont care that much to be honest. I just want you to be honest. I asked, i didnt say.
Im not an enemy, to be an enemy, i must care. I truly dont, its just for the sake of the argument.

Where did i say it was a mistake..where i come from you make the best from what you have..and dont whine your ass about it..i got pregnant..i cud have had abortion...privately, but i chose to keep him..life has been interesting..i love them a great deal..but if my daughter was to get pregnant..i would support her fully and know full well it was nothing to do with the way she was brought up. Thats what being a parent is about to listen to them, to support and to guide them and not to judge.

[Ironfoot]

It was my mistake not my parents...



There it is.

[Towelie]

Simpsons did it!

[Angel_de_Combate]

There it is.

/pat you on the back.. well done well done

Well i can see from your posts that you will probably never be ready for kids, to make a judgement based on someones age is just crap..why dont you turn your attention to the scores of girls who have a baby "cos they want someone to love them back", or the girls who have baby after to stay on benefits given to them by the government..theyre the girls with serious issues, unlike me who made a "mistake" but was mature enough to stick with it.

[Hell_bound]

... unlike me who made a "mistake" but was mature enough to stick with it.

/And with that Emily becomes the quintessential female of the women of the world in Hell_bound's eyes...

Bless you Emily...

But know your children shall be (and are) blessed as well...

[Angel_de_Combate]

/And with that Emily becomes the quintessential female of the women of the world in Hell_bound's eyes...

Bless you Emily...

But know your children shall be (and are) blessed as well...

<blushing> Damn what can i say to that H_B ? :)

[Hell_bound]

<blushing> Damn what can i say to that H_B ? :)

Just bask in the reality that you are a woman, who can roar as loudly as any male, but have the humility to love beyond yourself.

Truly the quintessential female.

[Angel_de_Combate]

Just bask in the reality that you are a woman, who can roar as loudly as any male, but have the humility to love beyond yourself.

Truly the quintessential female.

Well you certainly know how to talk the talk H_B, but can you walk the walk ? :P (I jest)

[Hell_bound]

Well you certainly know how to talk the talk H_B, but can you walk the walk ? :P (I jest)

Not as well as I'd like, but maybe one day...

Maybe one day...

[Angel_de_Combate]

Thats a very..obscure thing to write..what do you mean H_B ? I hope i didnt say anything wrong ? :/

[Hell_bound]

Thats a very..obscure thing to write..what do you mean H_B ? I hope i didnt say anything wrong ? :/

It just means of all the things I talk about, there is always room for improvement in my life.

So many things I need to do to get me to my goals on my path in this world...

I'm human, and I hate this fact!

[Angel_de_Combate]

It just means of all the things I talk about, there is always room for improvement in my life.

So many things I need to do to get me to my goals on my path in this world...

I'm human, and I hate this fact!

Oh to be an Angel, to lounge around on clouds all day..and watch the mortals scurry to and fro..to know how everything needs to go..to have ions of knowledge, wouldnt you be lonely though ?

[Hell_bound]

Oh to be an Angel, to lounge around on clouds all day..and watch the mortals scurry to and fro..to know how everything needs to go..to have ions of knowledge, wouldnt you be lonely though ?

To me, that would be perfection!

To reach that state, I'd be willing to give up my soul, let alone live alone for eternity.

[Leadoffhitter]

Second, I bet she can beat your ass down.


She couldn't get my ass even if I get drunk, injured in one of my legs and couldn't ask for any help...

She's just the old playmate for old guys that needs to see a weapon to get hot... (I know a lot about it!! :P )

Come on, you just can't be serious!!!


:harhar:

[Ironfoot]

She couldn't get my ass even if I get drunk, injured in one of my legs and couldn't ask for any help...

She's just the old playmate for old guys that needs to see a weapon to get hot... (I know a lot about it!! :P )

Come on, you just can't be serious!!!


:harhar:


Agreed 100% :clapping5365:

[Leadoffhitter]

Think of the high intelligence she must have in order to be picked VP, mayor of Alaska and other positions she has had...


I don't know if that can be considered as a valid point...

Did Mr Schwartzenneger (or whatever the name is) got the Senator place in California?

Did Mr Bush get the presidence of the States?

:devil:

[Ironfoot]

/pat you on the back.. well done well done

Well i can see from your posts that you will probably never be ready for kids, to make a judgement based on someones age is just crap..why dont you turn your attention to the scores of girls who have a baby "cos they want someone to love them back", or the girls who have baby after to stay on benefits given to them by the government..theyre the girls with serious issues, unlike me who made a "mistake" but was mature enough to stick with it.

Now you say that i act immature? Judgement based on age is crap? Then why state makes you an adult at age of 18 or 21? Cuz age doesnt mean anything right?

QUOTE=Skatz1980] Well i can see from your posts that you will probably never be ready for kids.. [/QUOTE]

How do you see that?
You feel better when you attack me? Im younger than you but guess who is being immature now..

You dont seem to get my point.For me the point is proven already. Too bad, it seems its very hard for you to be honest,(even over the internet) what you do is justify yourself, thats a very powerful thing, it can ease your mind (in my humble oppinion).
May i ask does the father of your kids live with you? Its a personal question, so dont feel obliged to answer it.

Regards.

[Leadoffhitter]

And the most important thing here: is that this message is conveyed through a conservative, fundamentalist political group in which females have always taken a back seat to males.


Just a conservative party trying to clean up their underwear in front of the world after getting someone like Mr Bush into US Presidence, even if they know for sure that they're going to lose.

I would really be impressed if they give the opportunity to a woman when they are not in a presidential run that is already lost and try to do the ultimate movement to change things around.
If they do so after another "Lewinsky affair" from a republican president I would really stare at the girl taking that importance, but not right now. They just want to make us (and the electors from that party) to look to other place than there where things where left by the last republican candidate (Mr Bush).

That woman seems to me a woman beeing used to be an smoke curtain... (and it sucks)

Republican party knows from Miss Hilton that she is not going to accept being used for McCain's campaign, so now they try to get their second chance for it...

[backe]

okay....lets take a time out for just one minute.

Skatz, I don't think your response to Ironfoot's initial post was necessarily warranted. He's simply stating that in general, the ideology of birth out of wed-lock is looked upon as a sin in the eyes of Christianity. Beyond that, I have to agree with him that for most people having a child at that age would be bad for both parent and offspring alike. I was certainly not mature enough to deal with the responsibilities of caring for a child at that age, or even now, over 10 years later. This, however, certainly leaves plenty of room for exceptions, which after reading the poem that your son wrote, I could see being applied to your situation. In any case, I don't think you should take offense to this, as I think all of us know MANY (perhaps the majority) people of that age that are in no way capable of mothering (or fathering) a child.

To the point, I don't think he meant any offense to you specifically, and just because he makes a generalization (which may or may not be true) doesn't mean you should take it personally.

Hell_bound,
Your infatuation with this....woman is nothing short of astounding. So much so, that this is the only remark I will make about it.

and this?
Think of the high intelligence she must have in order to be picked VP, mayor of Alaska and other positions she has had...
PLEEEEASE, pass me some of the stuff you are smoking. As marchalain pointed out, intelligence has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with holding public office. In fact, I would go so far as to say that I actually question the intelligence of individuals who aspire for political power.

[Angel_de_Combate]

Now you say that i act immature? Judgement based on age is crap? Then why state makes you an adult at age of 18 or 21? Cuz age doesnt mean anything right?

Never said you were immature..you did lol


How do you see that?
You feel better when you attack me? Im younger than you but guess who is being immature now..

Not really i dont give a shite..like you said to me

You dont seem to get my point.For me the point is proven already. Too bad, it seems its very hard for you to be honest,(even over the internet) what you do is justify yourself, thats a very powerful thing, it can ease your mind (in my humble oppinion).
May i ask does the father of your kids live with you? Its a personal question, so dont feel obliged to answer it.
Regards.

Youve proved jack shit..and im very honest ask anyone who plays this game. My mind is clear i did what i needed to do..my life is my own i just dont like like people like you making judgements, that my dear has been proven.
As for the last question, youve lost the right to ask me..so basically NO, i wont answer !

[Har]

If Obama wins,Hell-Bound will be the crazy man that killed kennedy may years ago.

[Ironfoot]

No no no, you said ill probably never be ready for kids, and i think people that are ready for kids are mature, so that makes me immature for a lifetime.
Except ofcourse if for good parenting you dont need maturity, which i seriously doubt.

I like to have a power of choice over everything in my life. Will i smoke, will i do drugs, will i lead a healthy life, will i get proper education. Will i have kids is one of those choices. Thing is you didnt have a choice, i mean except for abortion, which is rather extreme thing. And you said yourself that it was a mistake, but you kept on going. Thats why i said i proven my point, that it is a mistake to have child, while still being a teenager, and still in high school.
Nothing more, i asked my parents about it, same oppinion..Backe gave his oppinion, thats why i said that.

Please dont feel offended, i didnt wish to do that, i learn something new every day, and with my girlfriend i practice safe sex. From now on it will be even more safe. :devil:

Regards.

[Angel_de_Combate]

okay....lets take a time out for just one minute.

Skatz, I don't think your response to Ironfoot's initial post was necessarily warranted. He's simply stating that in general, the ideology of birth out of wed-lock is looked upon as a sin in the eyes of Christianity. Beyond that, I have to agree with him that for most people having a child at that age would be bad for both parent and offspring alike. I was certainly not mature enough to deal with the responsibilities of caring for a child at that age, or even now, over 10 years later. This, however, certainly leaves plenty of room for exceptions, which after reading the poem that your son wrote, I could see being applied to your situation.

Takes maturity to admit that.



In any case, I don't think you should take offense to this, as I think all of us know MANY (perhaps the majority) people of that age that are in no way capable of mothering (or fathering) a child..

I have taken offense, and i still dont agree with you, plus you need to ask more people to make a statement like that one

To the point, I don't think he meant any offense to you specifically, and just because he makes a generalization (which may or may not be true) doesn't mean you should take it personally.

I know not to me specifically..but to all the young mums who have babies and do the best they can, who shouldnt be criticised by people like ironfoot, for making that hard decision to keep there baby and for MOST it a hard decision.

ONE in three American girls falls pregnant before the age of 20

So are all these girls..bad mothers too ? Think before you speak !

Look im not offended, i am a great mother, i try my best...i just really dont like generalizations...there always wrong..

[Hell_bound]

I don't know if that can be considered as a valid point...

Did Mr Schwartzenneger (or whatever the name is) got the Senator place in California?

Did Mr Bush get the presidence of the States?


One can certainly look at both of these individuals and claim them to be unintelligent, but to do so would be an error on part of the outside observer.

For one thing it took intelligence for these people to surround themselves with people who believe in them and were willing to work to see their vision of reality come true.

Remember, though they be pawns to a greater extent - they have their own independent will and work outside the worldview of those who support them and those they serve.

This is the true mark of intelligence, and don't forget this...


... If they do so after another "Lewinsky affair" from a republican president I would really stare at the girl taking that importance ...


Actually the Lewinsky mess surrounded Bill Clinton who was a Democrat, not a republican.

So with everything else in your post, one must ask: Of the two dominate political parties in America, who uses females the most as an ends to a means (whatever that means be and the ends)?

And if you took a critical look, the answer might surprise you...


Hell_bound, [y]our infatuation with this....woman is nothing short of astounding. So much so, that this is the only remark I will make about it.


I'm not infatuated with Palin, just that I see her far different from just a political toy, and if you read my responses to Emily you would realize this...


... As marchalain pointed out, intelligence has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with holding public office.


Again, as I always say, it's a matter of perspective...


... In fact, I would go so far as to say that I actually question the intelligence of individuals who aspire for political power.


Yes, and this shows that you are a good citizen of your country...

If only all were like you...

But the true test is if you question also those that fall within your vision of how you see the world and the ways of going about to solve the problems of your nation and the world...


If Obama wins,Hell-Bound will be the crazy man that killed kennedy may years ago.

Actually I support Obama, to a degree.

Traditionally I vote Democrat, but the truth is today there really isn't a difference between the two parties anymore.

Both are willing to sell out the American people for a fist full of dollars.

Obama supports the military industrial complex and if pushed hard enough will create war as much as McCain would.

Why people cannot see this, I don't know...

This is why I'll be writing in Ron Paul's name for President this year...



Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor

Beaten why for
Can't take much more

Here we go...Here we go...Here we go

One - Nothing wrong with me
Two - Nothing wrong with me
Three - Nothing wrong with me
Four - Nothing wrong with me

One - Something's got to give
Two - Something's got to give
Three - Something's got to give
Now

Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor

Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor

Push me again
This is the end

Here we go...Here we go...Here we go

One - Nothing wrong with me
Two - Nothing wrong with me
Three - Nothing wrong with me
Four - Nothing wrong with me

One - Something's got to give
Two - Something's got to give
Three - Something's got to give
Now

Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor

Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor

Skin against skin blood and bone
You're all by yourself but you're not alone
You wanted in now you're here
Driven by hate consumed by fear

Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor

One - Nothing wrong with me
Two - Nothing wrong with me
Three - Nothing wrong with me
Four - Nothing wrong with me

One - Something's got to give
Two - Something's got to give
Three - Something's got to give
Now

Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor

Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor

The floor...The floor...The floor...The floor

[Ironfoot]

...i just really dont like generalizations...there always wrong..


Isnt this a generalization too?
May i remind you that generalizations exist because most of them are true/were true at some point in their creation?
Like ppl with glasses are spending a lot of time in front of an computer..
I wear glasses :naughty:

[Angel_de_Combate]

No your just splitting hairs now...kinda sad really

[Ironfoot]

Care to explain how am i splitting hairs?

[Angel_de_Combate]

Look "person that ive never met"...ive said what i needed to say..im done..no more drama from me.. adios

[Ironfoot]

Look "person that ive never met"...ive said what i needed to say..im done..no more drama from me.. adios

Too bad. I hoped we could have a nice discussion...
One thing i can say for sure is, im damn happy im not in your shoes.
I hope that didnt insult you. Best of luck with your kids, i read the poem, its very very good for that age. Congrats to him. :clapping5365:
Cya around.

[Angel_de_Combate]

One thing i can say for sure is, im damn happy im not in your shoes.
I hope that didnt insult you...

That just cancelled out...

Best of luck with your kids, i read the poem, its very very good for that age Congrats to him. :clapping5365:
Cya around.

This ^^..really do you ever read what you type ? Or how it comes across ?

[Hell_bound]

Emily,

Waste not your time on this...

For he has received the message, and though he know it not...

He shall be judged by it...

This I can assure you of...

Now Emily bask in the reality of my words: You are a woman, who can roar as loudly as any male, but have the humility to love beyond yourself.

You are the quintessential female!

Let no man, no human rob you of what you now know...



Hell_bound



They call me white devil, black jesus
Heaven closes, hell freezes
Egos trippin, scripts keep flippin
Bloods keep bloodin, crips keep crippin
Time keeps slippin and I keep fallin
I cant see but I hear them callin, ballers ballin
Players playin, haters fightin, righteous prayin
Dont forget manhattan keep makin, brooklyn keep takin
Shook ones keep shakin, no time for fakin
Know what I mean, I aint choppin no bars just risin like cream
If you diggin the scene, you feelin the vibe
Throw your hands in the air, scream are you alive

Singin na, na, na, na, na, na
Singin na, na, na, na, na, na
Singin na, na, na, na, na, na
Singin na, na, na, na, na, na

They call me black jesus, white moses
Heaven freezes, hell closes
B-boy posin, punk rock chicks, kids are alright but I need my fix
If you diggin the mix, feelin the drugs, if you keepin it real
If you livin like thugs, I spit kisses and hugs like forty five slugs
Come back on the run and kiss my love gun
Got a look thatll kill, voice thatll carry
Half a dozen women that think I want a marry
I got trouble on my mind, Im refusin to lose
But still I got a find someone to abuse, Im gonna run spread the news
Help say the word, jump the fuck back and just act like you heard

They call me white devil, black jesus
Heaven closes, hell freezes
Black jesus, white moses
Heaven freezes, hell closes
Singin na, na, na, na, na, na
Singin na, na, na, na, na, na
Singin na, na, na, na, na, na
Singin na, na, na, na, na, na

They call me white sinner, black martyr, live wire
Fire starter, jungle brother, red neck cracker, freak of nature
New world slacker, sex junkie lookin for a dealer
You can play the leper girl and I can play the healer
Shit is only gettin realer, baby havent you heard
That the bird, bird, bird, yes the bird is the word
It go one for the trebble, two for the times, and three for my homies and four for the dimes
Singin lemons to the limes to the break of dawn
Excuse me (six minutes) everlast you on
And it go on and on like a rolling stone, baby, anywhere I lay my hat is my home

They call me white devil, black jesus
Heaven closes, hell freezes
Black jesus, white moses
Heaven freezes, hell closes
Singin na, na, na, na, na, na
Singin na, na, na, na, na, na
Singin na, na, na, na, na, na
Singin na, na, na, na, na, na...

[Ironfoot]

Whats wrong with my post?
I honestly mean what i write, but yes i kinda write how it comes to my head, its a friggin forum post. Not work of art like hellbounds post. Which hardly anyone reads btw.

[Pizdzius]

That's the only serious lyrics I am going to post here
I do not believe in any god whatsoever, but even if there is one, it must be a sick and twisted guy.

I dont want to start any blasphemous rumours
But I think that gods got a sick sense of humor
And when I die I expect to find him laughing

[Hell_bound]

That's the only serious lyrics I am going to post here
I do not believe in any god whatsoever, but even if there is one, it must be a sick and twisted guy.



Rock on!

But of course god is sick and twisted, for he is a duality of One...

Meditate on this and all shall be reveled ;).

[Angel_de_Combate]

Whats wrong with my post?
I honestly mean what i write, but yes i kinda write how it comes to my head, its a friggin forum post. Not work of art like hellbounds post. Which hardly anyone reads btw.

Well i read them and he makes far more reasonable sense then you, his posts are to the point...you make generalizations on a whim.. youve never been in my position or any other 17 year old girl/woman...so you really cant judge..can you ?

Oh thats right..you are !!

[Ironfoot]

Well i read them and he makes far more reasonable sense then you, his posts are to the point...you make generalizations on a whim.. youve never been in my position or any other 17 year old girl/woman...so you really cant judge..can you ?

Oh thats right..you are !!


I can always judge. But im not always right, ofcourse. Im still learning about life. You said it yourself it was a mistake. So its kinda case-closed IMO.
And this HB is really kissing your ass, so its natural that "his posts are making more sense and are to the point" Singing na na na na na is to the point?? Wtf is that? Look at all the criticism his posts and threads are getting..Does he even play Regnum or just posts lyrics here?

Lol just think about all of this. Think. And be honest. you can lie to me, but you cant lie to yourself. I know that firsthand.

[Angel_de_Combate]

I can always judge. But im not always right, ofcourse. Im still learning about life. You said it yourself it was a mistake. So its kinda case-closed IMO.
And this HB is really kissing your ass, so its natural that "his posts are making more sense and are to the point" Singing na na na na na is to the point?? Wtf is that? Look at all the criticism his posts and threads are getting..Does he even play Regnum or just posts lyrics here?

Lol just think about all of this. Think. And be honest. you can lie to me, but you cant lie to yourself. I know that firsthand.

I dont lie to myself...i cant even lie to anybody else..its not in my nature..im too honest.. "what you see, is what you get"..my motto..aint it nice.

I dont see how H_B kisses my arse..do tell ? People who speak the truth..will always get shunned..what you dont know you will always fear...

[Ironfoot]

Truth be told, im brutally honest too, i am even on the verge of pissing ppl off with that, but i wouldnt change it for the world. My friends respect me for that, IRL. My other trait is that i really like intelligent argumented conversations.
Skatz you are 28 yrs old. Have you graduated from college? Whats your proffesion?

Im a student of economy&computer sciences, 1 year till im finished.
Yeah this is a fine example that my posts are not wee tought-out projects. :confused2:

[Angel_de_Combate]

Truth be told, im brutally honest too, i am even on the verge of pissing ppl off with that, but i wouldnt change it for the world. My friends respect me for that, IRL. My other trait is that i really like intelligent argumented conversations.
Skatz you are 28 yrs old. Have you graduated from college? Whats your proffesion?

Im a student of economy&computer sciences, 1 year till im finished.
Yeah this is a fine example that my posts are not wee tought-out projects. :confused2:

Well im a horticulturist turned..might do childcare...i want to help kids, but i dont know where to start, my dad is a social worker...i look up to him a lot..i want to follow in his footsteps, but i cant see the future :)

[_dracus_]

Truth be told, im brutally honest too, i am even on the verge of pissing ppl off with that, but i wouldnt change it for the world. My friends respect me for that, IRL. My other trait is that i really like intelligent argumented conversations.
Skatz you are 28 yrs old. Have you graduated from college? Whats your proffesion?

Im a student of economy&computer sciences, 1 year till im finished.
Yeah this is a fine example that my posts are not wee tought-out projects. :confused2:

Bravo, you are so clever you deserve a cookie!
Are you trying to make a personnal attack ?

Now can you please leave Skatz personnal life out of your attacks, it would be nice. We all know you are a jerk that need to get laid more often from all the attacks on female you do. Now stop it's being really annoying.

[ArcticWolf]

Bravo, you are so clever you deserve a cookie!
Are you trying to make a personnal attack ?

Now can you please leave Skatz personnal life out of your attacks, it would be nice. We all know you are a jerk that need to get laid more often from all the attacks on female you do. Now stop it's being really annoying.

Please, can you stop fighting? :)

I know a girl who had kids at the age of 17. She's my cousin's cousin, so she's kind of related to my family. She knew all the stuff about prevention, but she took any.

Some people (in fact, most of the people) are not ready at that age. I'm 18 (almost 19), I met people from all social classes, and I can tell you it's not only a matter of age and money, but experience. Let me clarify that I'm setting Emily case aside, since I'm speaking about the things I've seen and the people I know in real life.

You can't generalize and assume a fallacious idea like "if you have offspring at a young age you will be a bad parent", but it's more accurate to think that the lack of experience will influence. Some people are mature enough to take the responsibility and learn from it.

[_dracus_]

You can't generalize and assume a fallacious idea like "if you have offspring at a young age you will be a bad parent", but it's more accurate to think that the lack of experience will influence. Some people are mature enough to take the responsibility and learn from it.

Ironfoot is a well known misoginist on the forum. And now I have enought of his constant arrassement to women.

And by the way for your first children you never have experience it's your first, you can be 18, 20, 40 year old it won't change the fact it's your first.

[Ironfoot]

Bravo, you are so clever you deserve a cookie!
Are you trying to make a personnal attack ?

Now can you please leave Skatz personnal life out of your attacks, it would be nice. We all know you are a jerk that need to get laid more often from all the attacks on female you do. Now stop it's being really annoying.


LOL! I havent attacked anyone. She dragged herself in this discussion, as you can PLAINLY see if you read the posts from the beginning. I have regular sex if that interest you, and im totally satisfied on that part. Attacks on females? Please clarify?

This is just a blatant stupidity display on your part. What a shame.

[Ironfoot]

Please, can you stop fighting? :)

I know a girl who had kids at the age of 17. She's my cousin's cousin, so she's kind of related to my family. She knew all the stuff about prevention, but she took any.

Some people (in fact, most of the people) are not ready at that age. I'm 18 (almost 19), I met people from all social classes, and I can tell you it's not only a matter of age and money, but experience. Let me clarify that I'm setting Emily case aside, since I'm speaking about the things I've seen and the people I know in real life.

You can't generalize and assume a fallacious idea like "if you have offspring at a young age you will be a bad parent", but it's more accurate to think that the lack of experience will influence. Some people are mature enough to take the responsibility and learn from it.

Yeah dude youre right. I never said anything about Skatz being a bad parent. I only said its a mistake to be pregnant at age 17. And thats it. Skatz has said so herself. So like i said before - case closed.
Im not doing any personal attacks on anyone, neither do i hate women lool.
I love women, and i have a girlfriend to prove it :naughty:

She agrees with me on the above-said by the way. She is 26 years old.

[Hell_bound]

... I only said its a mistake to be pregnant at age 17...

This is an interesting comment for back, about, 150 years ago, in American history, the average age of females getting pregnant was 14-16 and the youngest person one could marry was 12-13 in age.

It seems strange doesn't that what we view as improper was a norm for our great grandparents and older?

This is the problem with the West and technological advancements, we believe because we "know things" now, which past generations didn't know, that somehow we are better off.

And since we have come to believe this we lust after advancement and forget our past and how important that past was for our future...


However, Ironfoot anything as viewed as an outsider can be viewed as a "mistake", like you having a relationship with the opposite sex, but what's more important is how the individual, who supposedly made this "mistake", views it.

How this individual views his/her own action will determine whether or not the supposed "mistake" actually becomes a regret, to not only self but those around them and society too.

... She [being Ironfoot's supposed girlfriend] agrees with me on the above-said by the way. She is 26 years old.

Thus in light of this, you are being judgmental, at lest in tone, while trying to impose your view of reality on Emily and others chiming in on this topic.


Hell_bound

[Ironfoot]

Well HB, that was 150 years ago, this is now. Thats quite easy to understand.

The only thing i want out of this conversation is to learn. To increase my knowledge. And this i did. I learned that there are many many people out there with many many views about the world. Many of those that go against my views and my beliefs. If you think its cool to have child, while you are a child yourself, please dont let little dumb me tell you its irresponsible.
Like i said, im happy that im not the father of anything yet :)
And one day if i have kids of my own, I wouldnt want them to be parents at age 17. Its OK to have sex at that age, but please, use protection..

But that is my opinion that i formed from my observations.
For topics like this i enjoy this forum. You can always learn, and deduct something new.

Kind regards..

[Angel_de_Combate]

First off for the record, im 28 years old, it was my birthday a few years back.


Second H_B..I was going to post something similar to this, but changed my mind..thought it might go ignored

This is an interesting comment for back, about, 150 years ago, in American history, the average age of females getting pregnant was 14-16 and the youngest person one could marry was 12-13 in age.

It seems strange doesn't that what we view as improper was a norm for our great grandparents and older?

Exactly however they didnt have condoms then or the pill...i had a frank conversation with my Nan about what it was like having babies when she was younger..and even she said that she would have loved to have had the choice, to have babies or not..



However, Ironfoot anything as viewed as an outsider can be viewed as a "mistake", like you having a relationship with the opposite sex, but what's more important is how the individual, who supposedly made this "mistake", views it.

How this individual views his/her own action will determine whether or not the supposed "mistake" actually becomes a regret, to not only self but those around them and society too.

Yeah he assumes that all 17 year old girls who have babies think it a mistake and lest we not forget..the boys too..



Thus in light of this, you are being judgmental, at lest in tone, while trying to impose your view of reality on Emily and others chiming in on this topic.

Already said this...his comment made me

She dragged herself in


I was in that position once ..i felt the need to object..as im allowed to.

[Ironfoot]

I was in that position once ..i felt the need to object..as im allowed to.

Yes youre allowed too, and you made the right choice to object. This would be a boring thread if you didnt :)

[Hell_bound]

Dedicated to no one, but to all that might dare to peak at this thread...



Gazing through the window at the world outside
Wondering if mother earth will survive
Hoping that mankind will stop abusing her, sometime

After all theres just the two of us
And here we are still fighting for our lives
Watching all of history repeat itself, time after time

Im just a dreamer, I dream my life away
Im just a dreamer, who dreams of better days

I watch the sun go down like everyone of us
Im hoping that the dawn will bring a sign
A better place for those who will come after us this time

Im just a dreamer, I dream my life away, oh yeah
Im just a dreamer, who dreams of better days

Your higher power may be God or jesus christ
It doesnt really matter much to me
Without each others help there aint no hope for us
Im living in a dream, a fantasy
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah

If only we could just find serenity
It would be nice if we could live as one
When will all this anger, hate and bigotry be gone?

Im just a dreamer, I dream my life away, today
Im just a dreamer, who dreams of better days, ok
Im just a dreamer, whos searching for the way, today
Im just a dreamer, dreaming my life away
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah

[Angel_de_Combate]

Very cool song xD <listening now>

Quick question H_B..do you actually play regnum ? :P

[Hell_bound]

... Quick question H_B..do you actually play regnum ? :P


Yeah I have three toons, Hunter, Conj and 'lock...

But it's been a while since I last logged on to play...

I'm still apart of this community even though this be the case; besides I want to see my vision of Regnum come true....

[Angel_de_Combate]

So that would be which realm...any on horus yet ? xD

[Hell_bound]

So that would be which realm...any on horus yet ? xD

Naw, they on Ra and are from Ignis...

Names be Quintus (hunter), Spud (conj) and Aeon ('lock)...

[Angel_de_Combate]

Wait ive spoken to you havent i..in game ? Aeon sounds very familar..

[Hell_bound]

Wait ive spoken to you havent i..in game ? Aeon sounds very familar..

Perhaps ;)

[Angel_de_Combate]

Well im going on ra in about..40 mins..why dont you log on :P

[Hell_bound]

Well im going on ra in about..40 mins..why dont you log on :P

I'm about ready to sleep, maybe another time?

[Angel_de_Combate]

Ooooh yeah way past your bed time now..erm hmmm later ? Just say a time, well numbers of hours..i suck at the time difference thingy :)

[Hell_bound]

Ooooh yeah way past your bed time now..erm hmmm later ? Just say a time, well numbers of hours..i suck at the time difference thingy :)


Will do, till then...

Btw, I live in central time zone...

/Hell_bound over and out

[Leadoffhitter]

One can certainly look at both of these individuals and claim them to be unintelligent, but to do so would be an error on part of the outside observer.

To be an important tool of marketing and having some importance in society because of it doesn't make you intelligent at all.

In a world ruled by "politically correct" style and moral style of living... No Picassos, No Van Goghs, No Garcia Lorcas, no Cervantes, no Copernicus, No Galileos... Nothing.
Where mediocrity rules, no innovation... maybe just selling. No film from California senator can be considered really "intelligent" as none of the political measures taken by Bush administration are. (at least for anyone else than themselves!! I am not talking about practical and individual intelligence, for a presidence I always use the general interests, not personal ones)

For one thing it took intelligence for these people to surround themselves with people who believe in them and were willing to work to see their vision of reality come true.

I don't think political strategies works like that.
Both persons are just a "product" to be sold to electors by a marketing team, they just put faces. That's why they have to be trained to sit in the proper way, choose the right baby (white one if you want the vote of the white population, black one if they want to demonstrate that they don't have racial problems, etc.) to kiss in front of the photographers, choosing the right colors to get dressed or behaving in particular ways. These people does not have any "vision of reality". They're not there for that. Just to put an smile near the logo of their party.
(Btw, I've never seen a candidate with an smile lacking any teeth, for example) :smile:

This is the true mark of intelligence, and don't forget this...

There's no true mark of inteligence, sorry.
Practical intelligence? Emotional Inteligence? Linguistic Intelligence? Logical Intelligence?
http://skyview.vansd.org/lschmidt/Projects/The%20Nine%20Types%20of%20Intelligence.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Gardner

It would be good if we don't talk about scientific subjects using any dogma. That's just darkness, middle age, lying to ourselves and the others.

Actually the Lewinsky mess surrounded Bill Clinton who was a Democrat, not a republican.

You didn't get my point as I can see. Maybe I didn't explain it right.

Exactly...
Clinton was a democrat, that's why REPUBLICANS used a woman (Lewinsky) to get public influence to take him away from presidence. Not being based on political results, economical success or international influence as a president should be judged, but a private sex thing. They didn't present a woman giving her any chance to demonstrate that she could be someone important with her own perspectives and plans, but to get a male rival away. That woman was just a tool to be used into a male war. (Where is she now?)
Just like Palin is, to get some of the female vote in the States. As Hillary has lost (she was a real candidate with chances to arrive to the presidence, of course in Republican party...) let's try to use someone that could get the female vote. Anyway she won't be vicepresident after Mr Bush politics. It's just to avoid a deeper gap with Obama. Even McCain knows that he will lose. Just like Republicans knows that they wouldn't be able to get a black candidate to win US presidence if the previous president was not an awful republican one (someone like Nixon was needed to be able to make this step; Mr Bush)

So with everything else in your post, one must ask: Of the two dominate political parties in America, who uses females the most as an ends to a means (whatever that means be and the ends)?

And if you took a critical look, the answer might surprise you...

I think it's pretty clear to me, trying to use my best critical look. Did you try the same? :wink:

[Hydroxidee]

/me wonders why Hell Bound is banned

[Hell_bound]

To be an important tool of marketing and having some importance in society because of it doesn't make you intelligent at all.

I disagree because for one thing in politics marketing can only get you so far...

At some point you have to go out in the community and face the public and their questions...

This means that unexpected things will happen...

You cannot market something as fickle as the public opinion, nor can you be prepared to know the unknown...


... No Picassos, No Van Goghs, No Garcia Lorcas, no Cervantes, no Copernicus, No Galileos... Nothing.

I agree with you here, but you have to look at it from the average person's perspective...

The average person cares not for Van Gogh, for (1) he cannot be understood by the average person, (2) he is unwilling to dictate reality to others - he allows them to come to their own reality, and (3) because of this Van Gogh cannot change the average person's outward life...

Politicians have a specific job and is to be the voice of the people, make sure that people's wants (such as education, jobs, heath care and so on) are being met and to regulate those systems which work against these wants...

Also politicians serve to create rationals when there is a need to do something the public wants, but is unwilling to do it - like go to war over resources...

People like Van Gogh are hardly up to such a task...


...Where mediocrity rules, no innovation... maybe just selling. No film from California senator can be considered really "intelligent" as none of the political measures taken by Bush administration are.

The problem here is that your conflating your personal opinions about these two men with those opinions that agree with yours, as the bases of your perspective of reality as being true...

The truth is Bush's administration was very intelligent, though unethical, in getting most of the world to not only back the US up on an attack on Iraq, but also to get other nations to send in their youth and die for it too...

As I always say... It's a matter of perspective my boy.


...I don't think political strategies works like that.

Yes, well there are a many things I thought did not "work that way" and have been proven wrong...


... There's no true mark of inteligence, sorry.

Actually there is, and I'll use the psychological definition: Intelligence is adaption, adapting to your environment so that you can benefit from it. That is the mark of intelligence...


... It would be good if we don't talk about scientific subjects using any dogma.

All things that man does has an inherent dogma... How else would he be assured in anything he does or believes?

And you would be wise to note that when I say "all things he does" it includes everything besides religion too, like science and individual perspectives...

Man needs faith in something to live and faith become dogma when you work on making that faith a worldview, or the lens by which you see the world through...


... that's why REPUBLICANS used a woman (Lewinsky) to get public influence to take him away from [ his presidency]...

The problem here is that you give to much credit to the republicans...

Good old Bill, in this case, was being a human male and got caught, once caught the republicans ran with it...

The republicans didn't set Bill up...

Bill fell trap to his own lusts, end of story.

[Angel_de_Combate]

YOU got unbanned after a day....

[Hell_bound]

YOU got unbanned after a day....

And your point is?

[Angel_de_Combate]

NAH i dont want to play anymore..i dont give a flying rats ass

[Leadoffhitter]

I disagree because for one thing in politics marketing can only get you so far...

At some point you have to go out in the community and face the public and their questions...

This means that unexpected things will happen...

You cannot market something as fickle as the public opinion, nor can you be prepared to know the unknown...




I agree with you here, but you have to look at it from the average person's perspective...

The average person cares not for Van Gogh, for (1) he cannot be understood by the average person, (2) he is unwilling to dictate reality to others - he allows them to come to their own reality, and (3) because of this Van Gogh cannot change the average person's outward life...

Politicians have a specific job and is to be the voice of the people, make sure that people's wants (such as education, jobs, heath care and so on) are being met and to regulate those systems which work against these wants...

Also politicians serve to create rationals when there is a need to do something the public wants, but is unwilling to do it - like go to war over resources...

People like Van Gogh are hardly up to such a task...




The problem here is that your conflating your personal opinions about these two men with those opinions that agree with yours, as the bases of your perspective of reality as being true...

The truth is Bush's administration was very intelligent, though unethical, in getting most of the world to not only back the US up on an attack on Iraq, but also to get other nations to send in their youth and die for it too...

As I always say... It's a matter of perspective my boy.




Yes, well there are a many things I thought did not "work that way" and have been proven wrong...




Actually there is, and I'll use the psychological definition: Intelligence is adaption, adapting to your environment so that you can benefit from it. That is the mark of intelligence...




All things that man does has an inherent dogma... How else would he be assured in anything he does or believes?

And you would be wise to note that when I say "all things he does" it includes everything besides religion too, like science and individual perspectives...

Man needs faith in something to live and faith become dogma when you work on making that faith a worldview, or the lens by which you see the world through...




The problem here is that you give to much credit to the republicans...

Good old Bill, in this case, was being a human male and got caught, once caught the republicans ran with it...

The republicans didn't set Bill up...

Bill fell trap to his own lusts, end of story.

Mmmmmm

I will try to express the most polite way possible for me to say what I think. English is not my first, nor second language, so try to understand the ideas instead of "going to look with a loop the words". (Btw, does this sentence have any sense? Don't try to answer, this is a rhetoric way to write. I'm not asking you anything. This dialogue will be over after this post, I'll try to explain you why.)

It takes a lot of time and effort to advance to get full common knowledge. The one that makes advance to most of the people, instead of the individual advance. (I'm not interested on the tools to make one man powerful, but a big bunch of them independent.)

You use to reproduce lyrics from other people that weren't written to express your ideas.
And you try to use them just as a vehicle to communicate when these ideas of yours are something it's just in your mind. There should be some common knowledge to be able to communicate using "self symbols" instead of common ones. But whenever you don't like it you use your "self symbols" as a way to escape or to plainly avoiding to understand the other or to provoke him.

It goes against the effort coming from the other.
You simply make the discussion impossible deliberately. Making feel the speaker in front of you frustrated. You know it and you enjoy it.
I think you feel gladly proud of that ability you have to create provocation.
But that provocation you can create:

1) gets angry to the other that is making efforts to be understood (common knowledge, and from there exchange of ideas...), that person just see someone destroying all the effort invested. Not too much respect to the "other" on that reaction...

2) There's not possibility to advance in the conversation, you just want to test and "win" in an "oratory" way. You're not interested in "what comes with it", right after. The knowledge or lack of it afterwards.

Well, as this kind of "common advance" takes so many time and effort...
As it seems impossible with you as I honestly said...
And as I'm interested on that and not "win an oratory prize" (I recognize it's pretty easy with me, because my english is weak), but a "dialectic" exchange... (You just use perspective to be right, my boy. The way I see it you run away from real building up situation)

It's useless for me to continue in this discussion. I declare myself out of the contest! :)


I wish you the best and I wish one day you'll prove me wrong.

Bye.