View Full Version : Chilko and "The Plan"
misaccc
07-04-2009, 04:30 PM
Dear Chilko,
While i appreciate you trying to put your vision into words, this is not a plan but a loose collection of thoughts. A plan has dates, milestones etc etc., not just a mockup of things you might implement at some point in the future.
It would have been nice, if you hadn't put your plan on the random googling of what some guy that made it to level 20 in two weeks thinks about Regnum and what in his opinion sucks about it, but instead listened to the opinions of your loyal players, who stayed with you since Beta.
And special thanks to Kailer, who gave me bad karma and told me in his comment of it to quit the game. I have taken that advice with all my heart. You can now find me playing Eve Online.
Many many real heartfelt thanks to all the guys and girls who played with me since Beta and after and who have made me enjoy my time in Regnum immensely.
Taking my farewell from you all is hardest about this. we have/had a great community here and i doubt i can find a better one anyplace. You all know who you are!
Goodbye from Tiamat - Red Star - Enki - Batou - Asa
And to NGD: Good luck with the route you are taking with Regnum, you are desperately going to need it.
Angel_de_Combate
07-04-2009, 04:36 PM
Good luck in life, im really sorry to see you leave. I hope this isnt the start of people leaving :/
Arafails
07-04-2009, 05:04 PM
Good luck in life, im really sorry to see you leave. I hope this isnt the start of people leaving :/
ROFL. The start of. That's hilarious.
People have been leaving since before you got teh intartoobs back.
DemonMonger
07-04-2009, 05:28 PM
So long.... www.playrohan.com is where I took my break. lvl 85 on Torian
goodbye song for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6rSCQWROgc&feature=related
Mellion
07-04-2009, 05:36 PM
Most players I know well stopped playing.
Mattdoesrock
07-04-2009, 07:18 PM
Well there goes one of RO's greatest and most loved players. I'll really miss you in game tia.. If I'm still in game.
Also, thanks from me to Kailer for his uber red karma for me too, nice to know how professional NGD is. Giving people bad karma isntead of talking to them.
Wyatt
07-04-2009, 07:43 PM
Damn Red Star... you will be missed..
Adrian
07-04-2009, 07:47 PM
You're welcome.
I give negative reputation when excessive negativeness takes place. Rep. is also a forum tool to show who exaggerates and who puts things like they are. Notice that a lot of people had many critic opinions about what we do and didn't get any neg. rep. from me. Maybe you should read again your latest posts?
And by the way. If you want to reply to Chilko's post, do it where it's supposed to be, thank you.
Yes, I'm "teh bad guy" around. ;)
Regards,
RegnumIrae
07-04-2009, 10:13 PM
Well... bye tia :/
Myxir
07-04-2009, 11:27 PM
Oh no... another one leaving.
Bye :(
Angel_de_Combate
07-05-2009, 12:07 AM
ROFL. The start of. That's hilarious.
People have been leaving since before you got teh intartoobs back.
Shame your still here tho.
Nightchill
07-05-2009, 08:39 AM
Hey tia, I hope you'll have more fun on EVE and that you'll still visit the irc channel for our usual talk :D
Sorry to hear you re going, Tia, but I understand you. i have also "vision", like Chilko has, and it says many old timers will follow your path soon or later ;)
You ll be missed a lot, at least by me for sure. I hoped we ll meet again at Syrtis gate again during invasion ^^
All the best from me, and I wish you many funny and enjoyable moments in your new game.
Hehe Kailer has time to give red karma but not to answer on PM regarding community tools. One month almost passed since I sent it. What a great Community manager, I think we should all be proud on him :naughty:
Valour
07-05-2009, 02:05 PM
Good luck Tia.
A public service announcement from Kailer <.<
Zordak
07-05-2009, 03:37 PM
Good bye tia, I see you took the good advice (http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showpost.php?p=741622&postcount=140)
Z.
Adrian
07-05-2009, 05:25 PM
Hehe Kailer has time to give red karma but not to answer on PM regarding community tools. One month almost passed since I sent it. What a great Community manager, I think we should all be proud on him :naughty:
Hi Anpu,
I already gave you an answer and it was no. I'm sorry but even if you insist the answer wont change. I can't spend all day fighting with general management people and left my tasks undone.
I have a lot to do as you see, Community Management is one of the things I do least a day sadly, because there is no time and a lot of things to fix/develop/apply some magic to.
I hope that someday everyone of you stop being so selfish and understand why some things happen and demand the right things instead of "what you want", "me leaving, no like", etc.
I've seen threads of people wanting to leave (I think one of them was yours) and they had real reasons, a real message to catch and mostly not overreacting. This is just plain, sorry for the word, bitching. Or at least seems to be and the one who wrote it didn't want to specify the real reasons.
So, all those "indirect" messages about "this sucks", "go away", etc are useless. Be constructive or specific or just leave and don't say a thing.
I'm sorry if this offends someone, but maybe you never put yourself into our situation. Demand even more work from us but don't demand us to do what you individually want.
PS: Damage control needs to be done in this forum, and believe it or not, karma works.
Regards,
backe
07-05-2009, 06:08 PM
/me continues to munch popcorn as NGD destroys the community that has kept this game alive for so long...
Sucks that you are leaving, Red, but on the other hand, I've been playing Eve longer than Regnum.
If you need any help with anything at all, ever, Eve-mail Joerz (there is no CSPA charge, btw).
Nightchill
07-05-2009, 06:23 PM
/me continues to munch popcorn as NGD destroys the community that has kept this game alive for so long...
there will be a new community to pick up where old community has left it...
and these "i will leave if you do this instead of what we've suggested" (and other variations of 'i will leave if ...' clause) threats are nothing but a blackmail. :D in any case, wait for a month or two, it's probable that lots of "i'm back" topics will spawn :D
Adrian
07-05-2009, 06:25 PM
/me continues to munch popcorn as NGD destroys the community that has kept this game alive for so long...
The community isn't destroying. And what is sad is that if "community member says", everyone else defends. Instead of pointing out if we did wrong, you should think about if you stayed too much time? Regnum history repeats itself and worse things happened before... now we announce great changes in the engine, etc, etc. and you keep on insisting that everything is worse than ever.
We do realise that there's still a lack on a lot of things, but not as before... even with a community growth like the actual. We work really hard and believe me, you're not making it easy. We are tired of using excuses, so we try to give our best, but I repeat, the community is not making it easy.
I read the forum, the mails, I see in-game behaviors while fixing some stuff and I DO see that the community grew, that it has a great chance to continue that way, but the community must want it, must REALLY want it.
Some of you are here since the beggining, that really wears out patience and not because it's Regnum, because it's an MMO... there are a few cases in which this doesn't happen and we all know that, I guess.
I don't know how to put this anymore. It's sunday and I continue with all that's had to be done, and I don't want your pity, I want you to get real and realise that by saying that you leave your using a lame excuse to point out that we have to work better (or do what you want) and at the same time making your buddies feel sad about you leaving.
I, as a gamer too, wouldn't waste the opportunity to be part of the growth, development of a game like this. It's fair that you piss off when stuff changes, but it's not fair to bomb the whole thing without even tried the most of it.
Regards,
misaccc
07-05-2009, 07:04 PM
Ok i didn't plan on posting again but this is going way too far
I hope that someday everyone of you stop being so selfish and understand why some things happen and demand the right things instead of "what you want", "me leaving, no like", etc.
I've seen threads of people wanting to leave (I think one of them was yours) and they had real reasons, a real message to catch and mostly not overreacting. This is just plain, sorry for the word, bitching. Or at least seems to be and the one who wrote it didn't want to specify the real reasons.
So, all those "indirect" messages about "this sucks", "go away", etc are useless. Be constructive or specific or just leave and don't say a thing.
You are one to talk about bitching my friend! All your posts the last days are like whining from a child. I have been posting constructive criticism about all kinds of things for 2 1/2 years now. Nothing changed. I could have written up all the points that made me leave the game in detail again, but i didn't want to waste my time anymore.
As for being selfish, lol, ask ANYBODY from the english community about how Regnum developed since Beta. Go ahead, you might learn something.
I'm sorry if this offends someone, but maybe you never put yourself into our situation. Demand even more work from us but don't demand us to do what you individually want.
"Individually want" my ass. How many players asked for a change in the SM tree? How many players asked for more than a YEAR for a change to SotW before NGD finally moved? Just two examples where a whole lot of individuals asked for something but NGD felt their judgement was better suited for deciding changes than the larger part of people actually playing.
PS: Damage control needs to be done in this forum, and believe it or not, karma works.
Especially when you give yourself undeserved high karma and then go about destroying other peoples legitimately acquired ones with it.
The community isn't destroying. And what is sad is that if "community member says", everyone else defends. Instead of pointing out if we did wrong, you should think about if you stayed too much time? Regnum history repeats itself and worse things happened before... now we announce great changes in the engine, etc, etc. and you keep on insisting that everything is worse than ever.
Incredible, absolutely incredible. This is exactly the kind of reasoning that pisses me off about you and Chilko to no end. One guy says anything, everyone agrees, well they must all be wrong! We've all been playing this game too long! We just tell you that things suck because we have absolutely no clue, after playing a game for ages!
So you wont accuse me of bitching again let me go into detail here a bit.
In Beta and shortly after we had a lot of great wars. You could log in at whatever time you wanted and after 5 minutes latest there was action. Gradually after Beta this was less and less and less the case. Now people either grind, search for magnatite or trade stuff at the gate. People complained about it on the forum. Nothing changed. Nobody wants to play a game without action though. One of the greatest features in Regnum, the RvR combat, is essentially gone from the game. Now there are tons and tons of better grinding for item games available on the market. Especially with the lag and bugs in Regnum, you have lost and will continue to lose players because of that.
Now the people who complained about this must all be clueless! NGD will make everything better after all right? Wrong. You should have listened to the community.
There are tons of more examples like this. I will add one more, the new Onslaught.
By removing the way Onslaught works now, you will harm the game.
Right now, if groups move over open terrain, every mage is eternally grateful to any barb who stops and onslaughts the trailing mage group. It makes the mages feel better, it makes the barbs feel better, it just creates a feeling of goodwill by doing something as simple as casting a spell in a group of people.
ANYBODY who has the slightest clue about this game knows that. NGD does not. In fact, i am willing to bet that a lot of long time players would do a hell of a better job at balancing Regnum than NGD ever will.
We do realise that there's still a lack on a lot of things, but not as before... even with a community growth like the actual. We work really hard and believe me, you're not making it easy. We are tired of using excuses, so we try to give our best, but I repeat, the community is not making it easy.
I read the forum, the mails, I see in-game behaviors while fixing some stuff and I DO see that the community grew, that it has a great chance to continue that way, but the community must want it, must REALLY want it.
See my comment about the bitching above.
Plus, noone from the community is here to do you a favour.
Some of you are here since the beggining, that really wears out patience and not because it's Regnum, because it's an MMO... there are a few cases in which this doesn't happen and we all know that, I guess.
I play some games for more than ten years and have never grown tired of them.
Just keep telling yourself its all the players fault and insult them further. Dig your own grave.
I don't know how to put this anymore. It's sunday and I continue with all that's had to be done, and I don't want your pity, I want you to get real and realise that by saying that you leave your using a lame excuse to point out that we have to work better (or do what you want) and at the same time making your buddies feel sad about you leaving.
Thanks for the continued insults to me!
I, as a gamer too, wouldn't waste the opportunity to be part of the growth, development of a game like this. It's fair that you piss off when stuff changes, but it's not fair to bomb the whole thing without even tried the most of it.
Man, i have been trying the whole thing for over 2 and a half years now! Do you think i just got up yesterday and decided Regnum pisses me off all of a sudden and then decided to bash your sorry little self? This development has been a long time coming, and like i told you before i have been constructive in my criticism for all the time before this update. But these changes were the proverbial drop in the barrel.
Once more, rest assured i am not posting this as the "individual bitcher" you called me further up, but just as one voice from the majority of long-time players.
Do whatever you want with Regnum and keep telling yourself it will be "great" in "the future". I want no part of it anymore. Just stop insulting me.
Adrian
07-05-2009, 07:10 PM
I'm sorry if you felt insulted, but this is what you had to post from the beginning. I also agree with some of the points you state.
I'm trying to make you see that it's difficult to express in text what you feel and threatening by leaving doesn't show anything. This last post does and I thank you for putting the real reasons of why you are worn out.
Regards,
Adrian
07-05-2009, 07:43 PM
"Individually want" my ass. How many players asked for a change in the SM tree? How many players asked for more than a YEAR for a change to SotW before NGD finally moved? Just two examples where a whole lot of individuals asked for something but NGD felt their judgement was better suited for deciding changes than the larger part of people actually playing.
Did any of NGD say literally that we don't care about that? We do what we can, changing is not just pressing a button. I agree that the response times are sometimes too long, but the development process is something that you should experience to understand it, no pun intended.
Especially when you give yourself undeserved high karma and then go about destroying other peoples legitimately acquired ones with it.
One day I received a very insultive karma and I told surak about it (back then when I still couldn't moderate them). He gave me that huge karma, and recently I reset it because I don't like to stand out and don't have the time to think about it too... it just crossed my mind some days ago.
Incredible, absolutely incredible. This is exactly the kind of reasoning that pisses me off about you and Chilko to no end. One guy says anything, everyone agrees, well they must all be wrong! We've all been playing this game too long! We just tell you that things suck because we have absolutely no clue, after playing a game for ages!
There's a difficult thought to explain or "transfer" here. I've been in that situation too, as a player of this game. I made a lot of contributions and almost none became true. What I've felt was that my opinions didn't matter and I had to stop, but there's something that I never thought about and I learnt it inside and somehow, late. Contributions give a clue of what the users are getting of the idea of the game as a whole. Without a broader sight of what Regnum gameplay is inteded to be this would repeat itself until the end of time. Late but sure, that's why Chilko's post is there.
So you wont accuse me of bitching again let me go into detail here a bit.
In Beta and shortly after we had a lot of great wars. You could log in at whatever time you wanted and after 5 minutes latest there was action. Gradually after Beta this was less and less and less the case. Now people either grind, search for magnatite or trade stuff at the gate. People complained about it on the forum. Nothing changed. Nobody wants to play a game without action though. One of the greatest features in Regnum, the RvR combat, is essentially gone from the game. Now there are tons and tons of better grinding for item games available on the market. Especially with the lag and bugs in Regnum, you have lost and will continue to lose players because of that.
I see a lot of people arguing about how they liked the game back then, I don't say they're wrong, but this details you are stating are not so common in that kind of posts. I've seen them a few times, and we agree on that.
Now the people who complained about this must all be clueless! NGD will make everything better after all right? Wrong. You should have listened to the community.
We're developers, not magicians. Even if we agree with the community, even if we don't, things can't be done so easily and can't be explained everytime. Or we develop, or we discuss in the forums... there's no room for the two of them at the same time.
Plus, noone from the community is here to do you a favour.
Then you should not contribute. Remember that all of your contributions are a favour. As we all did once and not only in Regnum.
I play some games for more than ten years and have never grown tired of them.
Just keep telling yourself its all the players fault and insult them further. Dig your own grave.
Do whatever you want with Regnum and keep telling yourself it will be "great" in "the future". I want no part of it anymore. Just stop insulting me.
I'd really understand you leaving if it was some days after the official release of this version, but I can see what other reasons you have. The only thing I have to say is that it isn't easy for us too. We shield ourselves from a lot of negativity day by day and go on as we can.
Regards,
theotherhiveking
07-05-2009, 08:18 PM
Actually, Red Star its right about the favor thing.
If the comunity contributes its because they want a improved game experience, or maybe something exasperates them and obviously they want to get rid of it.
We are here to enjoy your product and if it is attractive enough for a individual, he may pay for it to enjoy it even more, or faster..
Obviously, if we, the comunity, contribute and feel that we are not taken in account (insane reponse times for minimal changes that enraged everyone for example) then will have a very negative actitude towards changes, as we are expecting:
Nothing we asked for, or the oposite, like extreme nerfs that make skills useless from 1 one to 5, while keeping others as effective as those in lvl 1, and keeping stuff like the mana cost, for example; (see balestra vs anything else, you dont have to be a zerg overmind to know what is wrong there).
My point is.. dont ask ever, ever again the comunity to be positive.
KnuckOne
07-05-2009, 09:07 PM
Kailer, if people are maybe too agressive for you, it's because they like your product, and refuse the changes because it would ruin the said product for them. When you think about it, that means people actually can't move to something else, often by personal choice or constraint. Sounds good, but seeing people whining doesn't mean that the current situation is good either.
You're still one of the rare company publishing a MMORPG with native linux support, and the WZ is kinda unique. So what is the problem ? Have you noticed the call for 0.9-like gameplay ? With all that imbalance it means etc ?
The Fact is that back in the time, we used to have some freedom.
The freedom to choose between awesome skills,despite the few ones that were desactived/not working.
The freedom to choose to fight or not in forts, now you have to in some sort because anyway invasions make the game unplayable so you have to avoid it at any price. Who care about the bonuses actually ?
The freedom to go wherever you want and find a good fight. Now, since everybody level in inner realm, people have nobody to fight and are concentrated around bridges. With RP as only reward, most people are bored, because they want to have fun, not especially be in the rankings. Even PvE is more rewarding if you think about it. So they finish at central save dancing/chatting 24/7. One day Regnum-Irae asked to one of those dancing dude what was fun at dancing all the time, he answered : "because i'm bored". I think it says it all, and i think you should ask them by paying a visit at syrtis central save. Because the others left or almost don't play.
So, despite the lack of content and imbalance, it used to be funnier, because you NGD used to let the players make their own world, not forcing to play the way you want.
It's another reason too. (http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showpost.php?p=743454&postcount=31)
Adrian
07-05-2009, 09:36 PM
My point is.. dont ask ever, ever again the comunity to be positive.
With all due respect, who are you to talk in behalf of the community like that? Don't mix your personal opinions with what community means. I understand your point of view and respect it, but the community as a whole doesn't think that way, I know that everyone wants a better Regnum.
Kailer, if people are maybe too agressive for you, it's because they like your product, and refuse the changes because it would ruin the said product for them. When you think about it, that means people actually can't move to something else, often by personal choice or constraint. Sounds good, but seeing people whining doesn't mean that the current situation is good either.
You're still one of the rare company publishing a MMORPG with native linux support, and the WZ is kinda unique. So what is the problem ? Have you noticed the call for 0.9-like gameplay ? With all that imbalance it means etc ?
The Fact is that back in the time, we used to have some freedom.
The freedom to choose between awesome skills,despite the few ones that were desactived/not working.
The freedom to choose to fight or not in forts, now you have to in some sort because anyway invasions make the game unplayable so you have to avoid it at any price. Who care about the bonuses actually ?
The freedom to go wherever you want and find a good fight. Now, since everybody level in inner realm, people have nobody to fight and are concentrated around bridges. With RP as only reward, most people are bored, because they want to have fun, not especially be in the rankings. Even PvE is more rewarding if you think about it. So they finish at central save dancing/chatting 24/7. One day Regnum-Irae asked to one of those dancing dude what was fun at dancing all the time, he answered : "because i'm bored". I think it says it all, and i think you should ask them by paying a visit at syrtis central save. Because the others left or almost don't play.
So, despite the lack of content and imbalance, it used to be funnier, because you NGD used to let the players make their own world, not forcing to play the way you want.
I really agree with what your posting here. I know that the game may be showing some of this trends, but it's one of the possible things that can happen while trying to make the game fun for everyone. We are humans too. :biggrin:
Everyone knows that even if in the past there could be more options (I'm not so sure, but let's take it as a fact) but the gameplay as a whole was broken like hell. Now it still needs some adjustments as they are told in Chilko's post. From then on, we will have to focus on the basis of Regnum's gameplay... the ability to configure your role as you want.
To be brief, we tend to agree on a lot of things, but we are not having the same vision of how to get to that goals, I guess.
It's another reason too. (http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showpost.php?p=743454&postcount=31)
This thing this player says reflects what was wrong and still is with Regnum. Yeah, it was fun, but that's what was at a high cost. Other classes players getting frustrated, population of some classes going down slowly, and a lot of facts that in not too much time caused what is happening now. It's not only the changes we made, but the changes that haven't been made and need to be done.
Regards,
I asked you just to say "yes" or "no" and to finish that story. I sent PM after your first "no" you sent to member who asked you, and stated why you should reconsider and to let me know whats final word.
I don't want you to spend your time on stupid community tool, when you need to spend time for your company. But, as you have title of Community manager, and I m part of that community plus tool is for whole community (Spanish translation is btw ready and will be released very soon, like I promised in bday thread), for all community related questions I should consult you, right? I said, if you guys don't want to support anything, fine. I just want to know your attitude towards such things.
Thanks for answer.
Bye.
Adrian
07-05-2009, 09:46 PM
I asked you just to say "yes" or "no" and to finish that story. I sent PM after your first "no" you sent to member who asked you, and stated why you should reconsider and to let me know whats final word.
I don't want you to spend your time on stupid community tool, when you need to spend time for your company. But, as you have title of Community manager, and I m part of that community plus tool is for whole community (Spanish translation is btw ready and will be released very soon, like I promised in bday thread), for all community related questions I should consult you, right? I said, if you guys don't want to support anything, fine. I just want to know your attitude towards such things.
Thanks for answer.
Bye.
Do you think that it makes me happy not to be able to remember every of the hundreds of PMs I receive? I'd love to be able to reply and I wont excuse myself for not being able to do so. A little comprehension would be fine, and obviously the complaint in the Complaint Book about customer support.
Again, sorry for being such a lousy helper. It's not the intention at all.
Regards,
Do you think that it makes me happy not to be able to remember every of the hundreds of PMs I receive? I'd love to be able to reply and I wont excuse myself for not being able to do so. A little comprehension would be fine, and obviously the complaint in the Complaint Book about customer support.
Again, sorry for being such a lousy helper. It's not the intention at all.
Regards,
Kailer,
I do understand sometimes, even if doesn't look like that.
I sent you first PM. Idea was to solve problem for clan bday. No response.
I waited one week (that past bday time), to give you some time, I wasn't pushing you or anything. As you see, I can understand ;)
After second PM, I still don't get response.
Then I started in couple of my posts (I think 3, including this one) to call you to answer me on PM. Again no response, until today.
One month no response from the only community guy, Community manager, regarding community question (it wasn't some whine, or bullshit). What would you think on my place?
Sorry for hijacking thread Tia, I ll stop here.
theotherhiveking
07-05-2009, 10:13 PM
With all due respect, who are you to talk in behalf of the community like that? Don't mix your personal opinions with what community means. I understand your point of view and respect it, but the community as a whole doesn't think that way,
I beg you pardon?
Neither im talking in representation of all the community, nor im mixing in my personal opinions. Just pointing that after the erratic development of the game you cant just ask for a receptive and comprehensive community and expect things to get better, well you can, but its not like that will fix anything. That applies to anything, mmorpgs, cookies or toasters.
Im dont going to deny that the community over reacts a lot of times, but its not because we are a special community of over reacting 2d8[3, +7] +3 screaming, its just we are used to broken balance and gameplay, and balance that its all about removing skills.. all that stuff.
I tried to point you that by asking the community to be more 'positive' all you will get are more complaints about the lack of consistent stuff, communication, users becoming offended.. angry. That was my point, maybe it sounded aggressive now that i read my post again. Im sorry if it sounded offensive.
I know that everyone wants a better Regnum.Of course we want a better game!, they are playing and investing money in it(well, a 4%), so the more enjoyable it is the better for everyone, especially for you(as chilko stated)
I dont know what made you react that way to my post, but it seems that you got the opposite thing to what i was trying to say: Everyone wants the better for the game, they are so pessimist because they are used to expecting stuff to go to for the worse, that all. When balance gets 'less broken' (its very very hard to fix balance so late in development in a reasonable time-frame), there are more wars, basically when the game goes out of this 'extreme' development in a year or so (hopefully) complaints -everywhere- (i notice it too, even if im used to it) will stop and praising will start.
Angelwinged_Devil
07-05-2009, 10:16 PM
Sorry for hijacking thread Tia, I ll stop here.
and a few hundred others ;)
On regnum? Yes there seems to be a lot less fighting and a more increased activity in getting better "gear" then when your gear is ready there's no one to fight with because they're doing exactly what you've just been doing, sucks doesn't it?
Solution could be to make these things easier to get, fix the economy in game, fix the lag. People are happy with the rvr product, you don't need to upgrade your engine to make the game any better (it's nice it's not that) but giving something new when there's still a lot of critical problems to be solved is just not the way.
about karma: good it's only a tool ;)
Red it's not good to see you go :/ I've fought you only a couple of times, but it was fun, I think I still have your msn you crazy bugger, so at least we'll still talk :)
and a few hundred others ;)
Seems you have problems with my post again, AwD? Shall we count amount of your hijackings? ;)
Adrian
07-05-2009, 10:27 PM
Hey, behave yourselves, your problem here is only with me :tonguey:
...
Then you need to communicate your thoughts better. I know I also have to.
On regnum? Yes there seems to be a lot less fighting and a more increased activity in getting better "gear" then when your gear is ready there's no one to fight with because they're doing exactly what you've just been doing, sucks doesn't it?
Solution could be to make these things easier to get, fix the economy in game, fix the lag. People are happy with the rvr product, you don't need to upgrade your engine to make the game any better (it's nice it's not that) but giving something new when there's still a lot of critical problems to be solved is just not the way.
about karma: good it's only a tool ;)
We are trying AwD, we are trying... The engine update is needed because of the crashes and the lack of appeal for new users on dated graphics.
Angelwinged_Devil
07-05-2009, 10:56 PM
Hey, behave yourselves, your problem here is only with me :tonguey:
yo wanna piece of may?
We are trying AwD, we are trying... The engine update is needed because of the crashes and the lack of appeal for new users on dated graphics.
I see I see, a complete enginerevamp to fix the stuff and in the meanwhile upgrading graphics at the same time, it's all nice and dandy but 5 people playing more than a few hours is better than 5 more subscriptions each day because the game looks nicer.
I was talking with a game fanatic and a friend of mine the other day, and it seems we agree on a point, there are just too many games out there with no depth today, sure the graphics looks nice but there just ain't that much more to it like in the old days where there was a lot more in the game because you couldn't attract people with eyecandy.
That's what regnum had a lot of, in pre-1.0, the core game now that I see on horus is less and less.
Nightchill
07-06-2009, 12:04 AM
jeez awd, you want depth? go play baldur's gate, not mmo's.
chassor
07-06-2009, 12:14 AM
Hey community.
Keep cool you are just overreacting (as always when change comes).
things are getting better ....
yes yes NGD communicate now ,
so let's be smart (as we all are in fact (ok ok i'm not just simulating :D))
and let's open a dialog with them .
1) NGD explained that the code is not so well coded and modifying some part is more complicated than it appears , so stop whinning about old bugs still unresolved
they're answer is "sorry dude but this code is so tricky we are afraid to just look at it , because our stares can introduce HUGE bugs, if it was so easy the bug was resolved long time ago"
2) about the game vision , X players = X + 1 vision of the game so IMO we should trust NGD vision and point some problems as players , all major concerns we"re pointed even multiple time (dual shot concerns per exemple ... demonmonger don't take is personnaly this is just an .... exemple :D).
NGD opened the dialog door don't slam it in they're face, and more our remarks will be smart and unselfish (yes kailer is right we are) the more NGD will take them in consideration.
flames , bicthing , trolls bring nothing good.
Gawyn_Trakkand
07-06-2009, 12:39 AM
Ok as a NEW player in every sense of the word i've only been playing 4 months i am shocked by somethings that remain unfixed by NGD (e.g. positioning of warriors, Knights Block chance etc.)
I am by no means a noob to mmorpgs
I have played WoW and a rival FREE mmo Shaiya also Diablo 2 probably claimed most of my teenage life (getting to number one on the ladders cannot be done in less than 5 years) in all i have reached a high level and got bored of and quit the reason is the COMMUNITY.
WoW was appaling for the people on there and anyone who plays will agree it is hard to play without working your way into a close knit gang or gaining a lot of respect by the whole.
Shaiya suffers from noobs who think they are L33T and speak as such also their makers spamming advertisments 24/7 and again you cant get on with alot of people
Diablo 2 i wouldnt have been able to play without my friends IRL the ammount of hackers and bots and scams you gotta watch out for towards the end was silly I was changing my pass daily to 14 digit numbers
Now we come to Regnum the most decent game i have played in ages (until now i've been playing warhammer 40k soulstorm and getting my ass kicked by 12 year olds spamming infantry and Heros of M&M 3) It's full of bugs crap loads wrong with the game play (as pointed out by my fellow players) and NGD dont do anything about them.
THE ONLY REASON ANYONE STAYS ON REGNUM IS BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNITY NOT YOU NGD.
But there is only so long that one person can stand (like Red Star) what is happening to the Regnum they know and love
people like AWD (teh shiz) Anpu, Mattdoesrock, Regnum_Irae who have played this game for years request you simple things and it is ignored surely these people know what is needed in the game seeings they spent more time on it than really ALL others.
there are better looking and playing games on the web NGD but none with the community (barring a few players) like ours.
And if it wasnt for the people of this game i would have thought 'Sod this too much broken i'm off to play rappelz' a long time ago
P.S. if the Code was so complecated shouldnt you have hired someone competent enough to sort it out, or did he die and take the secret to the grave??
chassor
07-06-2009, 12:52 AM
people like AWD (teh shiz) Anpu, Mattdoesrock, Regnum_Irae who have played this game for years request you simple things and it is ignored surely these people know what is needed in the game seeings they spent more time on it than really ALL others.
NGD answered that the unresolved bug are not easy to solve so they prefered concentrate in the more easy to do .
no one can honestly says "NGD don't care about the position bug or about the lag" even if you think they don't care about much think i don't believe a min that these problem are not in NGD mind but it seems that they have trouble with it and they don't have enough ressources to deal with all that.
let be honest NGD closed much bug we're reported, others are style pending tought i agree , but do you really believe that it is intentionnaly ?
Gawyn_Trakkand
07-06-2009, 12:58 AM
NGD answered that the unresolved bug are not easy to solve so they prefered concentrate in the more easy to do .
no one can honestly says "NGD don't care about the position bug or about the lag" even if you think they don't care about much think i don't believe a min that these problem are not in NGD mind but it seems that they have trouble with it and they don't have enough ressources to deal with all that.
let be honest NGD closed much bug we're reported, others are style pending tought i agree , but do you really believe that it is intentionnaly ?
I do not believe it is intentional (who would mess up a game intentionally) but to hide behind an excuse like 'it's too tricky to do anything about it' is just lame. We're just supposed to accept that NGD have difficulty with coding so thats ok?
Angelwinged_Devil
07-06-2009, 01:04 AM
jeez awd, you want depth? go play baldur's gate, not mmo's.
what I mean with depth is detph in gameplay
I think the biggest mistake was high level mobs in the inner realm.
You should revert this ASAP.
It is killing your game.
Static_Fang
07-06-2009, 02:41 AM
I only read the first post b4 i hot reply
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:'( You were awesome incarnate, sad to see you leave mate...
Arafails
07-06-2009, 06:20 AM
I can't say that I'll miss Red Star, being that I've never played with them.
However, it is very sad that a lot of old-timers are leaving. Posts like these are one thing but since not long after invasions were released I've noticed a steady stream of people (on Horus at least, but I get the impression it's the same on Ra) disappearing without a word.
To NGD, as to the engine update, if it's so vital, can you please please please please please, talk with about balance, but as development goes concentrate on the new engine and work on balance on that when you're ready for us to test as a community.
You're spreading yourselves too thin. We've dealt with broken balance this long, we can hold on until the new version as long as you don't make it worse.
Cheers
DkySven
07-06-2009, 08:44 AM
I think the biggest mistake was high level mobs in the inner realm.
You should revert this ASAP.
It is killing your game.
I agree, no players grinding in the war zone is:
-no war training for low level people, leaving them often with poor fighting skills
-less targets to attack for enemies, leaving them to attack forts and castle only
-less targets to defend for allies, leaving to defend only a few points
Those last two points make war boring and always the same, thus making many people bored of Regnum. No one wants to fight the same battles over and over.
Nightchill
07-06-2009, 08:57 AM
I think the biggest mistake was high level mobs in the inner realm.
You should revert this ASAP.
It is killing your game.
fuck yes! i completely agree. i just do not understand why it hasn't been done yet, it's probably the most simple thing to do and we've complained about it for quite some time now.
Quincebo
07-06-2009, 09:29 AM
Well i think its more important to fix bugs in stead of implementing new stuff which can bring up even more buggs.
I can't understand why NGD won't listen to its community who have been shouting for a very long time about these things:
- Position Bug (Horrible for almost every warrior)
- Remove High lvl mobs in inner (More action and people in the wz)
- Epic mobs location (Dean Rha is too close to the save or move the svae(is a bit easier)
- Trelleborg save (Back to its original location to give players a chance to get inside)
- Shaarinid Castle needs a redisign because warriors can be shot by players on the balcony when their knocking the door
There probably more of these buggs etc
platyna
07-06-2009, 10:08 AM
We are trying AwD, we are trying... The engine update is needed because of the crashes and the lack of appeal for new users on dated graphics.
Kailer, it is obviously not true, that all users wants is graphics, especialy that current graphics look is very nice. All we need is no lags, for now many people play this game at minimum settings, and they don't bother that they don't have cute details, untill there are no lags. ;)
Look on games like Second Life (even of some argue SL is not a game at all).
I have developed a 2d game looking like those hits on Amiga from 15 years ago, and we have a large fan base (even if the game is far from being finished), because we:
1. Have the great community.
2. We have that community because we do the game like the community wants it.
I can PM you a link. ;D
Regards.
Adrian
07-06-2009, 01:59 PM
- Position Bug (Horrible for almost every warrior)
- Remove High lvl mobs in inner (More action and people in the wz)
- Epic mobs location (Dean Rha is too close to the save or move the svae(is a bit easier)
- Trelleborg save (Back to its original location to give players a chance to get inside)
- Shaarinid Castle needs a redisign because warriors can be shot by players on the balcony when their knocking the door
Positioning bug, we are taking care about that now. The creatures relocation is other of our concerns; we made the first step into this, which was fixing the spawner system some months ago (still needs tweaks).
We are aware of what you mention, but some things have to be done first, and the "why" is replying this next quote:
Kailer, it is obviously not true, that all use wants is graphics, especialy that current graphics look is very nice. All we need is no lags, for now many people play this game at minimum settings, and they don't bother that they don't have cute details, untill there are no lags. ;)
Look on games like Second Life (even of some argue SL is not a game at all).
I have developed a 2d game looking like those hits on Amiga from 15 years ago, and we have a large fan base (even if the game is far from being finished), because we:
1. Have the great community.
2. We have that community because we do the game like the community wants it.
I can PM you a link. ;D
Regards.
It's not only about graphics. Do you enjoy crashing while in battle? I'm sure that none of you does. Also, there's lag associated with the client, which can be called "fake lag", which is caused by those strokes when loading resources or low FPS in a populated battle. If our goal is to have good RvR fights, we must take care of this ASAP.
Communities are the most important part of MMORPGs, without them they are plain Single Player RPGs with some "kind of" good AI players... The game structure has the credit on how people get to know each other, and of course the people the game aims to :)
So, the people you aim to with your project will always be passionate about your project, but when the time comes to make the game survive by its own, certain decisions have to be made, and not affecting the game as a whole, but as a product.
Regards,
-Edge-
07-06-2009, 02:31 PM
I just hope I never have to see or hear things like how "WZ Chat was removed because of lag" or how "Fatigue was for our good health" its obvious those were connected to premium, the first to buy war banners, the second to buy scrolls (which amazingly canceled fatigue)
I could write a book of criticism, but there is not much more to say. I hope NGD gets its act together with the new engine, that's when ill drop in again.
Keep your current road and one way or another each player will have built up enough of this crap to leave. Everyone seems to have their own reasons too now for hate, from me the strongest thing is how badly made the leveling system is, its built upon lies, secret changes, and random numbers.
Angelwinged_Devil
07-06-2009, 03:42 PM
Kailer, it is obviously not true, that all use wants is graphics, especialy that current graphics look is very nice. All we need is no lags, for now many people play this game at minimum settings, and they don't bother that they don't have cute details, untill there are no lags. ;)
the new engine is supposed to improve performance with more than 50%
http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showthread.php?t=42222
platyna
07-06-2009, 03:51 PM
It's not only about graphics. Do you enjoy crashing while in battle? I'm sure that none of you does. Also, there's lag associated with the client, which can be called "fake lag", which is caused by those strokes when loading resources or low FPS in a populated battle. If our goal is to have good RvR fights, we must take care of this ASAP.
I do not, and it was my point Kailer, that I have stated in several posts I think users just wants smooth game play and no lags, graphics is very nice anyway - I can't complain, it can be always "nicer" but I wouldn't care so much, and remember, there is new era - alot of people got netbooks or other devices with integrated graphics, current graphic is well balanced between good looking game and a game that works on most of computers on a decent level.
And about crashing...I have said alot of criticism of nerfes - and none of you managed to convince me we need them at all (especialy mage ones, but some archers ones looks weird to me as well, since I would rather nerf invisibility or speed spells not damge ones) - sorry guys.
But if I have to say something about the game client - its stability, is for me, great comparing to other, similar games. I don't really remember when I last crashed. Of course there were better and worse client updates, but most of time, it is very stable, it seems I am not the only one, since the Linux part of community made here a very long thread to thank you. I think if you fix lag (especialy this) and position bugs you are quite done here.
Communities are the most important part of MMORPGs, without them they are plain Single Player RPGs with some "kind of" good AI players... The game structure has the credit on how people get to know each other, and of course the people the game aims to :)
So, the people you aim to with your project will always be passionate about your project, but when the time comes to make the game survive by its own, certain decisions have to be made, and not affecting the game as a whole, but as a product.
Yes, but since you said community is so important for you, listen to them, basicaly the aim for the game is to make the players happy, so don't make changes that makes your community to actualy fear updates than wait for them all excited about brave new world that is yet to come. :D
Regards.
Dupa_z_Zasady
07-06-2009, 07:11 PM
So long.... www.playrohan.com is where I took my break. lvl 85 on Torian
Get lost, no linux client.:harhar:
Dupa_z_Zasady
07-06-2009, 07:18 PM
Also, thanks from me to Kailer for his uber red karma for me too, nice to know how professional NGD is. Giving people bad karma isntead of talking to them.
I told you he was a bad person over one year ago.:harhar:
Nightchill
07-06-2009, 07:27 PM
Also, thanks from me to Kailer for his uber red karma for me too, nice to know how professional NGD is. Giving people bad karma isntead of talking to them.
lol well you kinda went ballistic on the topic numerous times :D
but yeah, i agree, doesn't feel good when dev gives you red karma or says some 'nice' things to you :D (if you'll remember, i got my portion of dev input on a certain occasion hehe)
Malik2
07-06-2009, 09:01 PM
I've played for about 2 years and I'm intrigued by AWD's comment that RO had more depth previously. To me it seems about as deep now as then. Maybe I am missing your point or not understanding your term.
When I started RO you had to level in the WZ starting around lvl 35 or so, and get eaten day in and out by lvl 50 hunters in the west wall forest. I remember that vividly. If you want a revolution on your hands, suddenly relocate all the higher level mobs into the warzone. All the moaning about moving mobs into the inner realm was constant in those far off days.
For Kailer when you have a passionate community like this, the highs are high and the lows are low. In the past I have been surprised at some of NGD's priorities and also by the content of NGD's updates (reference slowing moving backwards because of kiting), and equally surprised that the amount of explosive emotion they bring. And, for better or worse, don't think there is a way to avoid it. Prompt communication helps, but even here you miss most of those that play the actual game. In the end changes will happen some good some bad, people will leave because of it. See you later Red Star.
For me, I'll wait and see how this all shakes out.
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