I'm srry to make this thread but its just become too big of an issue

[lala110593]

today... syrtis took aggers and heald it for 5+hours, then decided to take samal and heald it for 2-3 hours. They had the numbers to hold both forts for a period of time. I usually just keep trying but today i just got tired, this game is more frustrating then fun now, i seriously felt bad for alsius and ofc myself. Something has to be done about this, perhaps work a little quicker on the realm transfers and more positive portrayal of the other realms. Fix realm imbalance of jewlery, quests, personally i think this is the product of poor realm planning. How could there be so much inbalance b/w realms with jewlery, quests, and bosses? was this not thought out?

-glulose

[NotScias]

Well... This is just the 85731758295864238398943814th topic about this subject. :sifflote:

[Maddie]

we wouldn't keep complaining if some people wounldn't keep farming us everyday and nothing to be done about... and there should be no talk of no night crew, there were plenty of Sytris on last night and tonight. In fact, Sytris kept us out of sam last night for quite some time...

[Frolan]

we wouldn't keep complaining if some people wounldn't keep farming us everyday and nothing to be done about... and there should be no talk of no night crew, there were plenty of Sytris on last night and tonight. In fact, Sytris kept us out of sam last night for quite some time...


before, syrtis was suffering of Efrendi and his 10+ ppl band at herb, almost every night.

we didn't complain about that, did we?

[linearguild]

Actually, many did, to the point that someone started calling them Horus bitch wars DVD compilation or something.

But I do invite Ignis to read what they posted during the nightly Ignis invasion era and think.

[Gawyn_Trakkand]

lool these threads are just funny now because you sound as depressing and the same every time as The Cure. Fact is you have never fought the full horus syrtis force because you refuse to come to the fort and fight. Thus i leave and so do many others who refuse to fight a force that cant fight back at least even a bit (i know that there are alot that do) to grind alts. so really your fighting 3/4 of our numbers in those situations.

So we've crushed your fighting spirit and you've pretty much given up, open up your realm doors Syrtis has won this war.

[Mrreality13]

lool these threads are just funny now because you sound as depressing and the same every time as The Cure. Fact is you have never fought the full horus syrtis force because you refuse to come to the fort and fight. Thus i leave and so do many others who refuse to fight a force that cant fight back at least even a bit (i know that there are alot that do) to grind alts. so really your fighting 3/4 of our numbers in those situations.

So we've crushed your fighting spirit and you've pretty much given up, open up your realm doors Syrtis has won this war.
pfft-
You all seem to have forgotten we the iggys DOMINATED the hell out of hours(and you all wined like lil gurls about it) and WE WILL agiain we WILL rise up and destroy you all and be the Realm from hell again.

[Znurre]

This is a hard question.
I've been to these fights when playing in Ignis/Horus and I've had similar fights when playing in Alsius/RA since we were always the underdogs there.
The truth is that this is indeed a very big problem that takes away the fun for the realm(s) getting zerged without any chance to fight back proplery.

HOWEVER - in this whole discussion, you must also consider the fact that Ignis was in the past always the first realm to throw shit at their enemies for accusing Ignis for the very same thing.

In one way, I feel that Ignis gets what they deserves while I also think that the realm balance issue should be addressed somehow.

A general advice to all Ignis players meawhile - don't take the game as serious, take it for what it is: a game.
You play it to have fun, so make the most fun out of it.

If Syrtis takes Samal and there is no chance of getting it back, go camp pb or cs.
If they take Shaanarid aswell and there is still no chance of taking back either of them just let them, it's only a few gems afterall.

[UmarilsStillHere]

pfft-
You all seem to have forgotten we the iggys DOMINATED the hell out of hours(and you all wined like lil gurls about it) and WE WILL agiain we WILL rise up and destroy you all and be the Realm from hell again.

Dominant realms ruin the game, no one like fighting them and I can tell you its not a lot of fun being part of one either.

But if you go dig up all the ignis bragging/other realms moaning threads you may see why your situation is met with little sympathy, after all for months on end every time you invaded 'at nite' some Ignis would make some ott thread proclaiming their greatness and how we suck because we couldent win when outnumbered 5 to 1.

[VandaMan]

But if you go dig up all the ignis bragging/other realms moaning threads you may see why your situation is met with little sympathy, after all for months on end every time you invaded 'at nite' some Ignis would make some ott thread proclaiming their greatness and how we suck because we couldent win when outnumbered 5 to 1.

For the most part it's not even the same people playing in Ignis anymore as the ones that would own the warzone every night. If it was the same people... then there wouldn't be this problem, because they'd still be invading every night, and then Syrtis would be complaining rather than Ignis.

[Warthog]

today... syrtis took aggers and heald it for 5+hours, then decided to take samal and heald it for 2-3 hours. They had the numbers to hold both forts for a period of time. I usually just keep trying but today i just got tired, this game is more frustrating then fun now, i seriously felt bad for alsius and ofc myself. Something has to be done about this, perhaps work a little quicker on the realm transfers and more positive portrayal of the other realms. Fix realm imbalance of jewlery, quests, personally i think this is the product of poor realm planning. How could there be so much inbalance b/w realms with jewlery, quests, and bosses? was this not thought out?

-glulose



Now you understand how we felt when on avg every other night our gate was in danger, perhaps not invaded that often but it was in danger none the less. And when this was happening, I remember many a posts where it was just us "whining" and how it was just that we sucked and you folks were so great. The fact of population imbalance had nothing to do with it of course. You know, even when herb was left undefended or 2-3 in it and we still did not have enough online to take back a lvl 1 fort while the majority took efe before people would get back from efe....so we had no chance to stop timer. I guess you found that to be fun so it was ok then.

Personally I don't find the farmfests syrtis has now as fun....BUT I do like to play this game. So, unfortunatly that means at times to get some fun other then BS grind or BS kill grinders, one must take part in these zergings to get any RvR action. So basically to rap up, I don't think most anyone is having fun at the moment.

[UmarilsStillHere]

For the most part it's not even the same people playing in Ignis anymore as the ones that would own the warzone every night. If it was the same people... then there wouldn't be this problem, because they'd still be invading every night, and then Syrtis would be complaining rather than Ignis.

Entire wars have been faught because of something a dead man has said or done, nothing lasts forever and you should have had the forsight to confront the problem of realm imbalance long ago, instead of dissmissing it as just every non ignis player moaning for no reason.

After so long dismissing calls for balance, proclaiming your realms greatness over all others, stating that 1 Ignis player is worth 4 Syrtis (thats for that one efrendi) to suddenly expect sympathy when the tables turn is foolish, maybe the offenders dont play anymore, but there are many in syrtis who remember being offended and are bitter about it.

-However-

I like to see myself as a player of the game, before a player of Syrtis. So if the game as a whole is in a shit state then I wont be enjoying it, nor will most others and something will have to be done.

Yes, realm balance needs to be solved, no I dont have a solution, and few seem to be able to come up with one thats even slightly fair or feasable. So for the now at leas It seems all that can be done is for those in syrtis who care (like me) to avoid being part of the super-zerg, and for people in other realms to boycotte fighting them.

700 Syrtis in Samal? Leave them there.
They go to Shana as well? Leave them.
They Invade, steal your gems, open the portal? Let them, dont even fight back, just go hide in your initiation zone,

Eventaully they will get bored and stop zerging. Unless they only enjoy victory, and not the path to it, in which case they should gtfo of regnum pronto.

[VandaMan]

Entire wars have been faught because of something a dead man has said or done, nothing lasts forever and you should have had the forsight to confront the problem of realm imbalance long ago, instead of dissmissing it as just every non ignis player moaning for no reason.

After so long dismissing calls for balance, proclaiming your realms greatness over all others, stating that 1 Ignis player is worth 4 Syrtis (thats for that one efrendi) to suddenly expect sympathy when the tables turn is foolish, maybe the offenders dont play anymore, but there are many in syrtis who remember being offended and are bitter about it.


Yes... but you obviously missed my point, you're not even talking about the same people. The people who were "dismissing calls for balance, proclaiming your realms greatness over all others, stating that 1 Ignis player is worth 4 Syrtis" have quit playing RO for the most part.

And yes, you're correct, "Entire wars have been faught because of something a dead man has said or done, nothing lasts forever and you should have had the forsight to confront the problem of realm imbalance long ago" That's also why god makes retarded children, to punish their parents for being sinners... (?)

[Mattdoesrock]

Yeah it's gotten just plain boring.

But you know what the funniest thing is? Syrtis actually say that "it's just as boring for us." Of course! How stupid of me to think that if you were bored, you might log off or go do something fun!

And my most favourite quote: "We're here for a good fight, not for rp."

HAHA!

Yeah! A good fight is 20 vs 5!



700 Syrtis in Samal? Leave them there.
They go to Shana as well? Leave them.
They Invade, steal your gems, open the portal? Let them, dont even fight back, just go hide in your initiation zone,

So let me get this straight, you're saying we should just give up? Oh good, fun for everyone!

[UmarilsStillHere]

My point is actions have consequenses, even if you are not around to see them the things you do can effect people for a long time after you are gone, so you should be carefull when doing things like throwing gas on a fire, or well, basicaly creating inter-realm hatred, before Invasions we largely got on regardless of realms, nowadays there is a stigma attatched to each realm and an assumption that everyone there fits it.

However as I said after the -however- this is not personal, and shouldent be so kindly stop ignoring all the balance based parts of my posts and thinking I just dont care, I do, you can think otherwise but that dosnt change the fact that I do care about this game and balance within it, at least a hell of a lot more than the Ignis-invasions generation. We shouldent be talking about the reasons that most people no longer care (ie the people zerging you 24/7) we should be looking at solutions, otherwise the only thing this thread is good for is people learning a bit of the servers history with regard to balance. If you dont have a on topic comment relevent to balance thats not just a personal attack at me then I wont bother replying to you again.

But you know what the funniest thing is? Syrtis actually say that "it's just as boring for us." Of course! How stupid of me to think that if you were bored, you might log off or go do something fun!

I do ;)

So let me get this straight, you're saying we should just give up? Oh good, fun for everyone!

Do you have a better Idea? Since all you do right now is say (rightly) that its bollocks boring to keep getting zerged, then go back to the same place and keep getting zerged for hours on end. Which Im sure is also fun. You could do something else in game or log off and do something else, Im sure the Regnum isnt the only source of entertainment on offer.

[VandaMan]

However as I said after the -however- this is not personal, and shouldent be so kindly stop ignoring all the balance based parts of my posts.

Repeating balance BS which has been said a million times just so that you can piggy back a little "But Ignis deserves to get zerged anyway" along with each post doesn't make yours on topic either. I just don't care enough to try and give the appearance of being on topic, when it's obvious this thread (just like its other 50 twin brothers) is going nowhere. If you really did intent to be 100% on topic and sincere, then you probably shouldn't throw in things like:
you should have had the forsight to confront the problem of realm imbalance long ago, instead of dissmissing it as just every non ignis player moaning for no reason.

After so long dismissing calls for balance, proclaiming your realms greatness over all others, stating that 1 Ignis player is worth 4 Syrtis (thats for that one efrendi) to suddenly expect sympathy when the tables turn is foolish
if you go dig up all the ignis bragging/other realms moaning threads you may see why your situation is met with little sympathy

Things like that are clearly just as off-topic as I am. So I guess you can either come up with some other "sincere" bullshit about balance just so that you can piggy-back some more off-topic nonsense, or...


I wont bother replying again.

[Acknor]

I'm going way off topic but...


That's also why god makes retarded children, to punish their parents for being sinners... (?)


This is totally offensive. Please remove it from your post.

[lala110593]

the worst part is going for empty forts, yes we all do this but syrtis takes it to a new lvl. After a 3 hour battle at samal we finally take it back, go to aggers but just as we reach pn, shaan under attack, this is totally demoralizing knowing we have to start all over again at shaan with the same zerg, then they will take meni, it just sucks there is no fun in this. That is why from now on everytime syrtis takes samal or meni, i will try to get as many people to go sit at shaan with me, we can be annoying too.

-glulose

[VandaMan]

I'm going way off topic but...
This is totally offensive. Please remove it from your post.

It's not offensive if you look at the context in which it was said, it's clear that I wasn't trying to say that is the truth, but rather that I was saying it's ridiculous and comparable to the reasoning used by one of the other posters. It also happens to be something that many people do believe, unfortunately.

[ncvr]

Do you have a better Idea?
I do. Think of ways to fix the problem, rather than turning it into a one-sided game. It's been made clear time and time again that many Syrtis players do enjoy one-sided fights, if only for the rp (of course, not everyone is like that).

[Silent_Shadow]

Ok I think I'm going off topic here, but as this thread seems to have a lot of realm hatred in here and nothings seems to be on topic, maybe I'm not. I played in all three realms and all three have some of the same problems. I've seen in every realm players who take the game too seriously and sometimes personally, some who have fun on the game, and those that just want to ruin the game for others.

Now to realm balance... I've been in a syrtis zerg where ignis or alsius has killed us even when we've outnumbered them. I've also been in a small group where we have been outnumbered and killed the ignis or alsius zerg. I find its based on the players playing then, and how they attack/defend not always on numbers. After a while of a zerg rushing a small party, yes, the small party will be slaughtered. But a number of times I've seen that the first few times of rushing, the small party can kill the zerg.

So let me get this straight, you're saying we should just give up? Oh good, fun for everyone!

If you're so outnumbered that you can try hundreds of times and the enemy is not dying, and you're pissed because of that, why not leave and do something more fun?

I find it very boring when ignis or alsius is holding one of syrtis' forts for a long time and we keep zerging and dying at it. When that happens, after a few times of trying I usually leave and either hunt or grind. Sometimes i find it fun to just keep trying, so I stay.

[Mattdoesrock]

If you're so outnumbered that you can try hundreds of times and the enemy is not dying, and you're pissed because of that, why not leave and do something more fun?

People DO leave, myself included.

Why do you think we have so few people at forts sometimes?

[Silent_Shadow]

People DO leave, myself included.

Why do you think we have so few people at forts sometimes?

Probably for that reason, but isn't that considered 'giving up'?

[Mattdoesrock]

Well dying to the same 25+ syrtis gets boring after the 20th time.

[Silent_Shadow]

Well dying to the same 25+ syrtis gets boring after the 20th time.

Hehe yes. So why did you jump on Umaril when he said this...
700 Syrtis in Samal? Leave them there.
They go to Shana as well? Leave them.
They Invade, steal your gems, open the portal? Let them, dont even fight back, just go hide in your initiation zone

[ncvr]

Hehe yes. So why did you jump on Umaril when he said this...
Because it's not a damn solution. This is a game, it should be enjoyable, so there is something wrong when you have to leave in order to enjoy yourself. What's next, we should just stop grinding if mobs evade too much?

[starshine]

I wont say much. Just a few things..
Syrtis and alsius complained when ignis always outnumbered them.. Indeed we did it.. But we got a balance after a while (which i wont say In a short or long time cuz it depends of ppl). But now.. Its completly unbalanced.. And syrtis knows that... And still think its funny... Syrtis has enough ppl to have 2 forts and 1 castle.. Ofc the other two realms will quit going to wars.. I rarely go to wars when syrtis has a fort is pointless.. Letting syrtis get the fort and castle isnt the solution...
Dont make this a thread of hate.. Its enough... We have to face the facts...

Ps. Ignis and alsius have the right to complain cuz syrtis also complaint when was ignis the dominant realm

[Kratos_Aurion]

we should just stop grinding if mobs evade too much?

lol agreed :D

[Torin_Ironfist]

mobs evade too much

Please stay on topic.

[ncvr]

Please stay on topic.
Replying to an off-topic post is considered off-topic. Reported. Enjoy your ban.

(COUNTERTROLLED!)

[Pornstar]

Yeah Syrtis sucks so! I'm tired of that constant fort farming. A huge group of players go and take a fort. Then all the rest syrtis lookthe map - "oh lets go trelle is ours", and after 30 min 50 players at trelle most of them afk inside fort the others are fighting at teleport for imperia save. I will leave the fort once i see its just another rp farming, grinding is much better than this. Oh an forgot to say that as knight enemies die 10 min before erach our army. So i could just spam auras to get something. Horus become sucky.

[linearguild]

Yeah it's gotten just plain boring.

But you know what the funniest thing is? Syrtis actually say that "it's just as boring for us." Of course! How stupid of me to think that if you were bored, you might log off or go do something fun!

And my most favourite quote: "We're here for a good fight, not for rp."

HAHA!

Yeah! A good fight is 20 vs 5!

Oh come on. Don't tell me you've never done something not-fun in the hope that the fun will come later.

Common examples from RO:


Grinding for XP
Grinding for drops
Taking empty fort to start action (when whole server is otherwise quiet)
Staying at Pinos in the hope that Alsius eventually shows up in force


Mind you, I can't do #4 for more than 15 minutes or so before I think about wandering off. But it's silly to demonize those that do stay when we could be having more constructive discussion.

What do you want Syrtis players to do so that you can have fun even outnumbered?

[Torin_Ironfist]

Replying to an off-topic post is considered off-topic. Reported. Enjoy your ban.

(COUNTERTROLLED!)

Reported for hypocrisy.

(COUTERTROLL REVERSAL)

[kylecasey]

wasnt it ignis that had our gates vulnerable, farmed us repeatedly and invaded for a solid month straight about 6months back? enough with the overpopulation bs its gettin kind of old. igs take herb and farm syrtis, syrtis retaliates and takes samal. they farm igs all day until boredom then the stupid goats come along get some rps,then some death and syrtis takes their stupid fort and continues farming. its called war the "point of the game' im not much of a warrer but maybe you should play inner rlm if you dont want to farm at your forts when you take someone elses. most syrtis players have alts as do most igs and alsius so get a grip accept death as fate in regnum and move on. or make new characters till youre bored again. as for items yeah right we have more in syrtis what about the extra xp that has always existed in alsius due to "underpopulation" lol most syrts said "let me grind there, i lvl faster". really come up with something original next time. like maybe we have 4rlms, heck id even welcome that, but thats me.

[Syd_Vicious]

No the point of this game really isn't regular war, if it was then there would have been a clear victor the moment the server started when Tyr's Zorn were the first 8 to level to 50 and dominated for a little while. This is about prolonged war. War without end, but its still a game. Games are meant to be enjoyable. If the solution is not to play then it isnt a game at all, its a waste of time. Some ppl dont understand this. This is the frustration that everyone has over this topic.

I believe that the issue at hand is realm population balance, there is none. Telling people to get over it, not to play or telling them it will be better later doesn't fix anything. It will just make the issue more aggravating when someone holds a fort for 10 hours without the rival realm being able to do anything about it. So for those who are apart of the China that is Syrtis and do not care about the enjoyment of the game for other people in other realms I would ask you to stay off this topic and disregard it just like the enjoyment of others you already disregard.

Oh yeah happy holidays:
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[Hamster_of_sorrow]

before, syrtis was suffering of Efrendi and his 10+ ppl band at herb, almost every night.

we didn't complain about that, did we?

10+? thats it? as compared to the 40 at samal on a daily basis? thats not something to complain about.

[_dracus_]

today... syrtis took aggers and heald it for 5+hours, then decided to take samal and heald it for 2-3 hours. They had the numbers to hold both forts for a period of time. I usually just keep trying but today i just got tired, this game is more frustrating then fun now, i seriously felt bad for alsius and ofc myself. Something has to be done about this, perhaps work a little quicker on the realm transfers and more positive portrayal of the other realms. Fix realm imbalance of jewlery, quests, personally i think this is the product of poor realm planning. How could there be so much inbalance b/w realms with jewlery, quests, and bosses? was this not thought out?

-glulose

Glulose, I'm almost certain realm transfer is not a good solution to realm balance, on Horus. Players from Ra will mostly be syrtis too.

[Thrillem]

The problem with this issue is very simple.
1.- The fact that few players choose Alsius is because Alsius (too boring white and painfull for the eyes) and its characters ("goats" and dwarfs) are less atractive than the others.
2.- The game lack some more actions. Some players -specially Umaril- have already made some good proposals to improve the game.

If this does not change all will continue more or less the same. As invading is really very difficult, there is not much to do now than grinding and taking forts.

[UmarilsStillHere]

10+? thats it? as compared to the 40 at samal on a daily basis? thats not something to complain about.

He is talking about ages ago I think, back then 10+ was a lot, I wont argue that the 40+ Syrtis zergs of late arent a bad thing though, since clearly they are doing nothing to generate fun for anyone.

Im trying to do what I can for realm balance by not taking part in the super zergs and have started to do some casual leveling of a barb in Alsius, will be a few weeks untill hes WZ worthy but every little helps, and he is very little :p

[bois]

This problem is one that is rather complex.

I will try to analyse this.
The current problem is that Syrtis is more populated than the other 2 realms over most of the time zones.

My reasoning is that this occurs for multiple issues.

Firstly, entering the game initially causes an instant imbalance as many players are drawn to the "good" side and the side that appears aesthetically pleasing.
This happens to be Syrtis at the moment. I don't buy into the Legolas theory and elf thing. I think many just want to be on the dominant side and one that is restful to the eyes. Basic psychology. That is the reason why the realm bonus does not work. In fact the bonuses may send the wrong subliminal message to some new players that Ignis ans Alsius are weak and you should not go there.

Hopefully the changes to the initial screens where you choose realm may address this problem now. We can only hope.

Secondly, the story lines are just mere skeletons at the moment. If the story became more immerse then players may be able to relate on some level and migrate in a more even way. I remember playing Dune (the game). Having read the book and saw the movie I can easily see a natural balance coming because of the depth of story on all sides.

Time zones play its part too. I have no solution for this because even on a clan level this can be seen in a micro scale. Clans strength and weakness fluctuate wildly through the day.

Diversity of races may also play a minor part. Some may want to play a realm but not its available races.

I move on the idea of zergs and dominance.

I have been playing since the era of the Ignis night invasions, and I can say that there was a time zone imbalance there. However the reverse was true during the day for Syrtis. At that time I think Alsius was the weakest war zone force at the time.
Now I can understand that many complained about the Ignis at night time but the reality was that the ignis crew for fort battles was never that huge at least when I went there. The crew would have maybe 10 -15 chars fighting maybe 7 on the Syrtis side. Thing is we seemed huge because of the close cohesion of attacks and tactics.
People said that Alsius were grind addicts at that time but I really don't know much about it. All I know is that whoever turned up for fort wars could really fight.

My view on the zerg attacks on Ignis horus is this : Only about half the time the whole zerg shows up in the initial attack. More often than not there is an advance party that comes to take the fort of say 7-12. The reality (and I may be flamed for this) is that Ignis does not react as quickly in mass as they once did to loss of their forts.
Tactically we are still good but we have gotten a bit slack in that area. The zerg can be defeated as they make many mistakes. Problem is that we cannot capitalize on it quickly enough.

One last note on the Zerg of Syrtis. We forget our basics of this game. Conjus make the war party tick. Syrtis has a massive amount of conjurers in any attack. This fact more than anything else makes them a frustrating force to defeat. Fighting a war party that has 25% conjurers is always going to be hard no matter who you fight. Kill them and the zerg evaporates quickly.

Remember this: Suicide a few times to take out the conjus, cremate, repeat.
You will get killed but at least it is with a master plan in mind.


Happy Holidays
Artec

[Flightcap]

*hides his conju staff and robes* Noooooooo not a conju, not a conju! A mere wood elf sir! :p

About the Syrtis zerg though, you're absolutely correct. The same silly tactics are still happening (running after a single player, getting too far from a fort and close to the enemy save, leaving conjus behind, etc). We require more leaders and better followers to make this zerg into the efficient killing machine that it could be.

[veluchami]

It is a shame to see an Ignis whine thread.
Let me make some things clear,
1) Syrtis 'outnumbered' us when we used to whup their asses every night in wz an year back. At no point in time in the history of Horus were Syrtis under populated.
2) It was the same players (to some extent) who played an year back who are playing now.
3) I dont really see a difference in Syrtis tactics an year back compared to now.. zerg is a zerg...

So think Ignis ! What went wrong now? An year back we rolled under one banner, the Ignis banner. We coordinated with clockwork precision. We responded to one command. Now, we are divided. While half the group is at Samal rushing the zerg, some camp shana and another group goes for herb and yet some more ppl grind inner realm. No one wants to be led. Its just chaos in the war zone.
Most good players didnt quit.. they just play less or stopped playing. I myself dont have much time to play.. well not even time for a good flame thread here.. oO ...
Ignis just has too many conflicting egos imo. But time and the zerg treatment will cure it sooner or later :p And we will rise again !
But ffs, DONT whine here again !

[veluchami]

Repeating balance BS which has been said a million times just so that you can piggy back a little "But Ignis deserves to get zerged anyway" along with each post doesn't make yours on topic either. I just don't care enough to try and give the appearance of being on topic, when it's obvious this thread (just like its other 50 twin brothers) is going nowhere. If you really did intent to be 100% on topic and sincere, then you probably shouldn't throw in things like:




Things like that are clearly just as off-topic as I am. So I guess you can either come up with some other "sincere" bullshit about balance just so that you can piggy-back some more off-topic nonsense, or...

Haha van, you just stripped Uma bare .. :p
Reinvent your tactics uma.. theyre getting old.. :)

[lala110593]

It is a shame to see an Ignis whine thread.
Let me make some things clear,
1) Syrtis 'outnumbered' us when we used to whup their asses every night in wz an year back. At no point in time in the history of Horus were Syrtis under populated.
2) It was the same players (to some extent) who played an year back who are playing now.
3) I dont really see a difference in Syrtis tactics an year back compared to now.. zerg is a zerg...

So think Ignis ! What went wrong now? An year back we rolled under one banner, the Ignis banner. We coordinated with clockwork precision. We responded to one command. Now, we are divided. While half the group is at Samal rushing the zerg, some camp shana and another group goes for herb and yet some more ppl grind inner realm. No one wants to be led. Its just chaos in the war zone.
Most good players didnt quit.. they just play less or stopped playing. I myself dont have much time to play.. well not even time for a good flame thread here.. oO ...
Ignis just has too many conflicting egos imo. But time and the zerg treatment will cure it sooner or later :p And we will rise again !
But ffs, DONT whine here again !

everything u said is pretty much wrong, most players who played a year back no longer play. A year back it was 15v8, now its 30 v 10...
but i will give you that it is not the same organized ignis, none of the new players want to accept organizations and just want to play for them selves. the people who play now just don't want to be organize, for example warlocks dont want to coordinate their sultars , they will sultar whenever they get CD, i ask over and over to at least warn so barbs can buff and rush in, but they will sultar when there is no1 around to follow up with area, as if its going to do something (this really pisses me off, and when i see this more than once i just refuse to play w/em)

-glulose

[veluchami]

everything u said is pretty much wrong, most players who played a year back no longer play. A year back it was 15v8, now its 30 v 10...
but i will give you that it is not the same organized ignis, none of the new players want to accept organizations and just want to play for them selves. the people who play now just don't want to be organize, for example warlocks dont want to coordinate their sultars , they will sultar whenever they get CD, i ask over and over to at least warn so barbs can buff and rush in, but they will sultar when there is no1 around to follow up with area, as if its going to do something (this really pisses me off, and when i see this more than once i just refuse to play w/em)

-glulose

So you do agree its not cos of Syrtis zerg that we lose? the zerg was always there.. but cos of lack of unity? If anything, the current bunch of players are better than what we had back then in terms of level, skill, commitment, and gear. But there is a glaring lack of tactics and coordination :(

[Lexen]

My view on the zerg attacks on Ignis horus is this : Only about half the time the whole zerg shows up in the initial attack. More often than not there is an advance party that comes to take the fort of say 7-12. The reality (and I may be flamed for this) is that Ignis does not react as quickly in mass as they once did to loss of their forts.
Tactically we are still good but we have gotten a bit slack in that area. The zerg can be defeated as they make many mistakes. Problem is that we cannot capitalize on it quickly enough.

Happy Holidays
Artec

I agree with you. Most of the time playing all Ignis is worried about is grinding alts. We dont get alot right away because you see them say "Hold on, I need 20k til lvl 40" oh but wait you already have a lvl 50... So why do we keep grinding alts when there is war? It is because Ignis has become lazy, because people enjoy lvling or drop grinding then fighting.. Fine I will probably get flamed from Ignis for saying this. But come on, they have the fort and you prefer to grind then help your realm out... After 2 tries half log to go grind their alts, and they say "They are way to many" well when we end up taking about half the zerg down, wow then Ignis finally shows up.

About the Ignis night crew we were about 8-15 at night (mostly at the fort wars at night it is usually apoc and some igi with some clanless people). Yes over time we have got more, but this last month so far I have seen syrtis have around 10-20(most are lvl 40+) and yes most of the ignis are lvl 50. But I am not complaining about that its fine we at least get a fight. But on the weekends we will have more at night, so will all the other realms due to kids still in school/college.

But at least during the night we are not outnumbering the other realm so bad even if we can outnumber them. The only time when we do manage to get alot online at night is usually when we are invading (which use to be about 40-45 of us) but after trying to get ignis back together and trying to invade again we have ended up with about maybe 25-30(maybe out of that 15-18 lvl 50s the rest are 40 or under) which really cant take the gate down with the guards, guard captains and about 20 players all with areas behind the door.

The times we did invade yes other realms had less on but the times have changed alot of ignis quit, went to syrtis or alsuis and some even went back to ra and the other realms have a night crew now then when they had it before. I am not saying no syrtis or alsuis have came to ignis and only ignis went to other realms. But some of our night crew has retired and we have a new night crew.

[Xero_Aurion]

...It is because Ignis has become lazy...

I agree, second that, and confirm it based on what I've seen after returning recently. That is all.

[UmarilsStillHere]

It is a shame to see an Ignis whine thread.
Let me make some things clear,
1) Syrtis 'outnumbered' us when we used to whup their asses every night in wz an year back. At no point in time in the history of Horus were Syrtis under populated.
2) It was the same players (to some extent) who played an year back who are playing now.
3) I dont really see a difference in Syrtis tactics an year back compared to now.. zerg is a zerg...

So think Ignis ! What went wrong now? An year back we rolled under one banner, the Ignis banner. We coordinated with clockwork precision. We responded to one command. Now, we are divided. While half the group is at Samal rushing the zerg, some camp shana and another group goes for herb and yet some more ppl grind inner realm. No one wants to be led. Its just chaos in the war zone.
Most good players didnt quit.. they just play less or stopped playing. I myself dont have much time to play.. well not even time for a good flame thread here.. oO ...
Ignis just has too many conflicting egos imo. But time and the zerg treatment will cure it sooner or later :p And we will rise again !
But ffs, DONT whine here again !

A lot of the old Ignis players I dont see anymore, but many I still do, so Im unsure about how many quit or how many just got lazy, your right though Ignis used to be far far more organised, more effective at taking out key targets, etc. Nowadays many Igneans have taken the on the syrtis zerg tactic, which rarely works since your often outnumbered but even then they play like one, the other day at herbred Ignis had pushed us to the hill north of Central, then suddenly pulled back leaving 2 of their barbs in the middle of our lines as the rest of the army legged it.

As much stick as he got off other realms, and some Igneans Ignis as a realm played far better under the hand of Efrendi, maybe you should look at electing some new commanders so you can get back to being the organised machine you were :)

Haha van, you just stripped Uma bare .. :p
Reinvent your tactics uma.. theyre getting old.. :)

Well after 2 years and 1.6k posts I often find myself making the same points every other week in whatever new balance thread has been thrown up, I should should shut up more often but Im over vocal on stuff like this :}

[bois]

Most of the time playing all Ignis is worried about is grinding alts. We dont get alot right away because you see them say "Hold on, I need 20k til lvl 40" oh but wait you already have a lvl 50... So why do we keep grinding alts when there is war? It is because Ignis has become lazy, because people enjoy lvling or drop grinding then fighting.. Fine I will probably get flamed from Ignis for saying this. But come on, they have the fort and you prefer to grind then help your realm out... After 2 tries half log to go grind their alts, and they say "They are way to many" well when we end up taking about half the zerg down, wow then Ignis finally shows up.



I agree Lexen. I make a point of it to show up at any fort battle where Ignis forts are lost. Many times I am there getting farmed along with several of veteran players. One time I got my lock killed about 30 times over 3 hours of trying, yet continued to bash my head against the zerg for sheer spite.
Ignis used to have the pride of the realm top priority but recently we have gotten soft.
There are times where where we have to do a tactical retreat to Shaanarid but I totally agree that we give up too easily and have no game plan out there. It is not that we don't have players that are very experienced in all tactics or have potential leaders , the problem is :

Players refuse to follow tactical plans
Less experienced players feel they know all.
Lastly and most importantly , Ignis was patient. We set up the tactics and everyone knew their role and executed it. Ignis is too rash and uncoordinated now. Only when we have a mass of the old school players assembled ,we can cause serious damage.

Too many times our experienced players try to set up our tried and tested tactics and fail because half the army either runs off to suicide ,or leaves after 3 tries to alts like Lexen said.

I say this and I do not care if I am flamed, the syrtis zerg, as a singular tactical unit is fundamentally no more skilled than they were before even their though their ranks have swelled. From an Ignis standpoint, and knowing Ignis in its glory , we have gotten soft.
I am frustrated with it and I know many of the old guard are too. However, all we can so is try to show and not tell and hope the junior members can learn and grow.

Artec

[Saryad]

What is the fun is a game when you can make your opposition so frustrated they just go offline?

[UmarilsStillHere]

What is the fun is a game when you can make your opposition so frustrated they just go offline?

There isnt any, hence why Im hardly on recently :)

[Kyrottimus]

What is the fun is a game when you can make your opposition so frustrated they just go offline?

Huge +1

If I don't have any fun within 10 min at a fort battle, I leave. Tough sh*t. I play to have fun, if I don't get it, I leave. Simple.

I'll rarely defend an enemy fort we've taken that's level 3+, unless we're trying to put someone's gates in danger OR it's retribution for that realm's earlier level-up-fort-zerg-outnumbered-us-retakers-for-hours BS.

Most of the time, if I'm at an enemy fort we captured and one of my realmmates ups it to 3 or 4, I get on my horse and ride away.

[Arafails]

I agree with you. Blah blah blah blah blah.. Fine I will probably get flamed from Ignis for saying this. But come on, they have the fort and you prefer to grind then help your realm out... After 2 tries half log to go grind their alts, and they say "They are way to many" well when we end up taking about half the zerg down, wow then Ignis finally shows up.

Some stuff blah blah blah yadda yadda and so on an so forth.

Yeah, f* you Lex for being right. (Except when I'm on there's generally more IGI in our group than Apoc, so that's probably about 50/50 really).
It's true you don't see people running around on their mains trying to kick up war like they used to, I don't even know how many of them spend their time grinding alts. I do know that there are some people who have multiple characters up so high that they could increase the effectiveness greatly with any of them, yet they still prefer to grind (although considering that my level 50 is going to have to beat up one of my mage alts for their lunch money so he can get weapon repairs I start to see why).

...

To be honest, I was never terrifically impressed by Efrendi's leadership skills and tact (or lack thereof) after I reached permanent warzone level (about 37 for me, but that was back in the day...), but it has to be said that at least people followed him and responded when he asked for help.
These days we can have practically anyone trying to get a fort or castle back in our own territory even, and I've been in situations where the group I'm trying to take the fort with is basically lemminging on the door for an hour, the occupying force gets bored and buggers off, and then a reasonable force shows up and we're like "where the kahoonas were you?"

[platyna]

today... syrtis took aggers and heald it for 5+hours, then decided to take samal and heald it for 2-3 hours. They had the numbers to hold both forts for a period of time. I usually just keep trying but today i just got tired, this game is more frustrating then fun now, i seriously felt bad for alsius and ofc myself. Something has to be done about this, perhaps work a little quicker on the realm transfers and more positive portrayal of the other realms. Fix realm imbalance of jewlery, quests, personally i think this is the product of poor realm planning. How could there be so much inbalance b/w realms with jewlery, quests, and bosses? was this not thought out?

-glulose

But goats "war way" is provoking us to do so - even if you are alot, most of you come with small groups to be harvested, and then you drag us to your altar, so everyone know that holding Aggers is basically free RP (untill the old good goat team finally comes online and shows some skill).

Regards.

[Zas_]

To be honest, I was never terrifically impressed by Efrendi's leadership skills and tact (or lack thereof) after I reached permanent warzone level (about 37 for me, but that was back in the day...), but it has to be said that at least people followed him and responded when he asked for help.
These days we can have practically anyone trying to get a fort or castle back in our own territory even, and I've been in situations where the group I'm trying to take the fort with is basically lemminging on the door for an hour, the occupying force gets bored and buggers off, and then a reasonable force shows up and we're like "where the kahoonas were you?"

I think we need some ways to designate leaders in a realm.

For example, in each clan, we have some older clan members, those can be auto-designated as "leader", the oldest online member of the clan is the clan's leader. And among all clans leaders, the oldest of those is the realm's leader.
A leader have special means to communicate like an inter clan chat (only leaders can write, all can read), special war banners (1 free usable each hour, disappearing in one hour if not used, 10mn if used), a special map view with positions of all clan's leaders.

People around a leader at war will have some buff (ie a small permanent speed/defence/attack bonus when in view of the leader, non-cumulative).
A leader will have a special visual effect on him, so enemies will know he's a leader.
When a leader die or go offline, the next older clan member is auto designated the leader.

Oldest means someone who played for long, with many experience and rps, ie as calculation:
A=highest experience in the realm (ie 13.000.000)
B=highest RP in the realm (ie 136.000)

a = character's experience
b = character's rp

age = 15 + (a/A * b/B) * 70

In Syrtis Horus:
A = 15.026.467
B = 166.273

Jaud:
a = 10.298.358
b = 77.921

Jaud's "Age" = 15 + (10298358/15026467 * 77921/166273) * 70 = 37.48

So if none online are greater age, Jaud is the realm's leader.
A leader can revoke the leadership, then next older is the leader.

Just another stupid idea.

[Bleh]

Tell me why when there is only 5-6 ppl in a taken fort/casthle, everyone show up and attack with a massive zerg from nowhere ?
As you said you have underpopulated realms... or maybe people who are always scared when they see a big zerg and go back to grind after 2-3 death to let the rest dying more and more. Stop boycotts fights and ask for a proper regroup and you will have people.
Another point is to stop switching class char all the time when you think better to have ranged when you arn't close to door and switching to warriors when you have killed half zerg to do door faster. This is confusing people in fights.
Another point is bridges campers, this split your force and that's why you have a little people to fight at fort, because you never camp bridge with only 2-3 soldiers but more. You have enought locks with cremation 4/5 to solve this.
If you don't like to be zerged, tell to your night/morning people to stop upgrading fort to level 4-5 when it is not needed and you outnumber us.

Stop grind, stop camping, be fair and fight ! :lightsabre:

[VandaMan]

Another point is bridges campers, this split your force and that's why you have a little people to fight at fort

Really though, with the new permanent mounts, bridge camping is a must. It only takes a minute to ride back from the nearest save to a central fort. Most of the time (on horus) 2-3 fighters can defend a door long enough for the 10 that were just killed to ride back to the fort.

[Kyrottimus]

...most of you come with small groups to be harvested, and then you drag us to your altar, so everyone know that holding Aggers is basically free RP...

Ahh yes, being underpopulated when you zerg a fort, and those few of us who give a sh*t about retaking a fort is our fault. Us coming up to the fort, seeing how overwhelmingly outnumbered we are, then to be chased by said zerg all the way back to our altar is also, again, our fault.

Then after several hours of this, when 1/2 of your zerg gets bored and leaves and we get more people signing on, only then do we have a reasonable shot at retaking the fort, with what you call "Free RP" (RP != Fun), is a long-overdue and often quite frustrating aspect of being in an underpopulated realm.

Yes, it's all our fault. :thumb_up:

There is a fine line between Pride and Arrogance. :cuac:

[Anyriand]

But goats "war way" is provoking us to do so - even if you are alot, most of you come with small groups to be harvested, and then you drag us to your altar, so everyone know that holding Aggers is basically free RP (untill the old good goat team finally comes online and shows some skill).

Regards.

We are NEVER alot.
We come with what we have.
We do not drag you to our saves, you just like to save camp, it's part of your chicken-shit moves.

It's because of people like you, that think the way you do,and play the way you do(with absolutely no skill whatsoever), that I refuse to fight against Syrtis. I will only go to a fort that has been taken by Syrtis if it's empty...have fun rp-whoring, you won't get any of mine.

Soon, Syrtis won't have anyone to fight against. The sooner people realize the best thing to do is ignore Syrtis when they are zerging, the better.

[Godot]

We are NEVER alot.
We come with what we have.
We do not drag you to our saves, you just like to save camp, it's part of your chicken-shit moves.

It's because of people like you, that think the way you do,and play the way you do(with absolutely no skill whatsoever), that I refuse to fight against Syrtis. I will only go to a fort that has been taken by Syrtis if it's empty...have fun rp-whoring, you won't get any of mine.

Soon, Syrtis won't have anyone to fight against. The sooner people realize the best thing to do is ignore Syrtis when they are zerging, the better.



amen

blanket boycott of the zerg

good post by Kyro also , we see the same things in Ignis

[SPARTISH]

Getting out numbered? Save camped?

I say quit waisting time b*tching on forums n grab your wep n do something about it!



No0bs :P=P

[Bleh]

Hey kyrottimus, I always see you doing only 2 try and go far away after, maybe you and others should make more try and don't left the others to an absolute death (I mean thoses low levels who fight more and more and always try to take back the fort without you). Too many act like you alsius/ignis and syrtisans too. That's how come a famring session because you left 5-10 ppl alone to fight zerg of medium/high levels. Boycott isn't a solution and isn't the game. If you really don't care about rps why you don't fight anymore ? I know it isn't plaisant to die more and more but at least if ppl see you fighting maybe more will come to help you. It always happens at herbred fort in the morning. But at least you don't have balls to leave the fort lvl 1. Most fight syrtis doing are always with fort lvl 1 but you abuse of this using some glitch when you reach door (Knight with fast speed attack with very slow weapon & low level who come from nowhere in fort by tower or behind tower and touch flag, then there is a ridiculous instant capture).

Fight for your realm, not for rps !

[Kyrottimus]

Hey kyrottimus, I always see you doing only 2 try and go far away after, maybe you and others should make more try and don't left the others to an absolute death (I mean thoses low levels who fight more and more and always try to take back the fort without you).

Dying repeatedly vs. overwhelming numbers is not fun, so I leave.

Too many act like you alsius/ignis and syrtisans too. That's how come a famring session because you left 5-10 ppl alone to fight zerg of medium/high levels. Boycott isn't a solution and isn't the game.

Again, 5-10 vs zerg isn't fun....so yeah, not going to push at something for hours on end if there is no fun in it. And I also leave because 1/2 the realm ignores my and other's calls for help.

If you really don't care about rps why you don't fight anymore?

Because I A M N O T H A V I N G F U N (got that part yet?)

I know it isn't plaisant to die more and more but at least if ppl see you fighting maybe more will come to help you.

:lol:

I had such naive delusions for the first 6 months of playing too, then I realized that most people just would rather stand there and watch me die than to lend a hand or cover/support each other or what-have-you. And for the record I'm one of like 6 or 7 high-levels who even shows up and tries anymore, even if for 20-30 min before washing my hands of the whole thing.


It always happens at herbred fort in the morning.

Oh you mean when I'm never on because I'm working? Right, yes this must be my fault too.

But at least you don't have balls to leave the fort lvl 1.

Please don't use "you" when I'm never even there for your supposed anecdote. Use a different phrase like, "your realmmates" or "certain alsians" or whatever because if I am ever @ herb it's in the evenings with a handful of people, 8-10; and that's a rare enough occurrence as it is.

Most fight syrtis doing are always with fort lvl 1 but you abuse of this using some glitch when you reach door (Knight with fast speed attack with very slow weapon & low level who come from nowhere in fort by tower or behind tower and touch flag, then there is a ridiculous instant capture).

Here is again with this "you" stuff, if I didn't know any better I'd say you're directly accusing me of bug-abusing, which I for one do not do, and secondly it in itself is a violation of Forum Rules.

Fight for your realm, not for rps !

I still don't see your logic... I leave annoying/frustrating battles because I'm not having any fun, I don't give 2-sh*ts about RP. If I stay I still wind up getting some RP by the occasional zergling who strays too close but really when they get insta-ressed by one of the 7 conjurors about, it's really pointless until the zerg gets bored and disperses. And where is Alsius' counter-zerg? Not seen much at all lately.

Come see things from our perspective for a few days and maybe you'll understand why so many high-level Alsius have been quitting lately.

[Angel_de_Combate]

Basically the other realms in Horus need to more populated ..it is no fun to camp a fort for ages with no sign of the other realm taking it back, i really did enjoy the 3 way fights at samal they were excellent. A few months ago it was people complaining that Ignis were the dominant ones...now its the green team taking the flack. I for one is bored of it all...so adios, maybe until transfers take place ..but unfortunately we'll be waiting for awhile for that methinks.

[Flightcap]

When bored, I and other syrtians scrap the zerg and go off by lonesomes or in very small groups for a little hunt. Much more fun and interesting than camping a fort waiting for the other realm to show up, which takes awhile. So doing the same might prove more fun than anything else, unless of course there is a three-way or something interesting like that happening.

[UmarilsStillHere]

The game is stale in its current state, in the last week or 2 Ive probably spent less time online than I used to in a normal saturday. I log on occasionaly to see if anything worthwhile is happening and have grinded a Dwarf a bit but thats all.

[w_larsen]

while boycoting syrtis would probably help, it isn't solution at all, as it is effectively just taking away raison d'etre for syrtis players of this game, which is well... war, as this is wargame.
while emotionally people feel that syrtis shouldn't zerg like this, in reality it isn't really syrtian fault, that they have most players online and are doing, what game is about - killing players. its fault in realm balance design.

on other hand, there are things which can be thought about and probably changed

first would be response times to syrt fort taking. as it has been mentioned many times - initial syrt groups isn't allways zergs. and while some people argue, that the window is just two minutes, before it gets zerged, i don't believe it. for example today i was at aggers and went to smoke. just as i got up from chair, there was "treleborg is under attack" message. i decided to smoke first, so when i returned, trele was already taken. i started my pony and rode to treleborg save. when arriving at treleborg there was about 7-9 syrtis and... 2 alsians not counting me and my clannie, who arrived with me. i believe, that if i had time to smoke and go from aggers, probably everyone had time to log some close alt in or just go to fort.

next would be dropping "it's rpfarm, i'm not going unles there is equal force of us." attitude. while it's not really fun, getting farmed, such attitude prevents "antisyrt" force from growing, as many people adapt such behaviour and there is simply no way force can grow without people coming. growing force is slow and mostly some get bored and log out, before actual force grows up. respond fast and hard, and it will be better. if nobody responds, game is killed for those, who are willing to fight, as they feel the imbalanced forces more than those, who aren't attending.

boycotting forts suck. and that's pretty much about it. while shifting war grounds and taking enemy fort is nice and shiny strategy, it leads to situation, where boycott is beginning earlier and earlier, leading to situation, where homeforts get ignored at all. what can you suggest to syrtis players? not to war? log out and delete game, so realms get more balanced?

now, while we play different realms, we play the same game, so in my opinion it's in syrtis interests, that they have some oposition at least, as fighting against no enemy is kinda no fun.

so for the sake of global gameplay, some points for syrtis players:

zerging 5 players, who tries to mount at least some kind of fight isn't great accomplishment, so dancing, applauding, teabaging or making insulting tags, isn't really appropriate at all. but wait, there is more! doing all that, if you was too late and didn't hit a single enemy is bit lame, as it's your realmmates did the job, not you. and even more! if you barely escaped death from said 5 players and survived just because your realmmates saved you, isn't accomplishment at all, so applauding is lame as shit and not only disrespecting the smaller force, but also your realmmates.

upgrading forts, when there is force to hold, isn't going to help in getting good fight at all. not that it would drastically change balance, but it's a clear message, that intent is not to have fair and good fight. it also provokes other realms of doing that, so *all* realms should abstain from doing that.

if there is really 40vs15 situation, maybe zerg can be split and half can go to other realm fort, so everyone would have action, but forces would be more balanced.

but anyway, my biggest point is, that boycotting forts kills game and people shouldn't do that without trying at least to do something.

[UmarilsStillHere]

If there is really 40vs15 situation, maybe zerg can be split and half can go to other realm fort, so everyone would have action, but forces would be more balanced.


After a while at Samal this morning Ignis had all but given up so we did exactly this, half went to Aggers, I cant speak for Aggers force as I stayed at Samal till my death, then went for lunch :p But at samal at least we had fun.

So Id say this is the best solution most of the time.

[w_larsen]

i was hoping, that at least some would see that as at least partial solution :)

[UmarilsStillHere]

Well other than just not playing the game its the only real thing we can do as players in game, or move realm but thats rather daunting to many players. Other than that its up to the devs to do 'something' towards realm balance.

[Kyrottimus]

upgrading forts, when there is force to hold, isn't going to help in getting good fight at all. not that it would drastically change balance, but it's a clear message, that intent is not to have fair and good fight. it also provokes other realms of doing that, so *all* realms should abstain from doing that.

+1

HERE HERE

Most people who war with me, at least, know most of the time if I'm in a group and someone upgrades an enemy fort we hold to 3 or 4, I immediately get on my horse and ride off....

..that is assuming the realm whose fort we've taken didn't zerg-camp one of our forts earlier and upgrade it to 3 or 4 and camp it for hours OR that we're not trying to put their gates in danger. In either case I will defend a level 3 or 4 fort.

But if it's just some random fort war, and someone upgrades to 3 or 4, I simply say, "See ya" and hop on my pony and ride off. I've done it plenty of times and many of our more regular realm-mates can attest to that.


To first overwhelm a fort with superior numbers is to detract from the intensity of the overall battle, at least initially and to do so repeatedly shows either the most impressive of patience or the most pathetic state of boredom--but to upgrade said fort is just a purely chicken-sh*t move that the wholly outnumbered force sees as a sign that the fort-takers don't want a hard fought battle but a protracted kumbaya circle-jerk inside the safely guarded fort for hours on end, with no real battle (or fun) to be found. Maybe sporadic RP here and there, but if you're one who loves to zerg a fort then upgrade it (or stay and defend it after said zerging and upgrading), then you're sorely mistaken and in for a disappointment.