Getting tired of some barbarians.......

[Groark]

I am really fed up with the continuosly whining of some barbarians. Not all of course; the Real Barbarians don't cry. They accept their rol in war and find the right tactic to kill their enemies or die. I myself have a barbarian and I do not complain. I can make lots of damage to my enemies and they can make lots of damage to me a well. It is all a matter of tactics.

So I call to those few fake barbs to stop whining and complaining and take example of the Real Barbarians! Otherwise you should try another class...

There are other classes with more right to complain than the barbs. Like knights p.e. or mages. And you know what? They are the ones who complain less.

[UmarilsStillHere]

There are other classes with more right to complain -- mages.

HAHAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


Mages and Hunters are far and away the best class's in the game right now

Sometimes yes I can deal out good damage and take a fair ammount, after about 4 buffs (4 long GCD's) and 800 odd mana, then the 2 offence buffs last all of 40/45 secs before needing to be cast again and thats without counting UM. Knights are in an even worse state, their once great auras are now largely laughed at and their only real way to tank much longer than any other class is Ao1. Warriors in general are in a real state.

[Sidi-Slaughter]

I am really fed up with the continuosly whining of some barbarians. Not all of course; the Real Barbarians don't cry. They accept their rol in war and find the right tactic to kill their enemies or die. I myself have a barbarian and I do not complain. I can make lots of damage to my enemies and they can make lots of damage to me a well. It is all a matter of tactics.

So I call to those few fake barbs to stop whining and complaining and take example of the Real Barbarians! Otherwise you should try another class...

There are other classes with more right to complain than the barbs. Like knights p.e. or mages. And you know what? They are the ones who complain less.



Hiihooo!!!!

That's something amazing what I read... and yes I agree...
and I think most players just talk too much and concentrate for complain of all what this silly game gives to us
and that game play stays background... never satisfied of nothing.

These " DRAMA-QUEENS " ( most coming from realm of syrtis ),..who should to keep mouth shut and leave alone these forums.
Sorry but I been seen many years,.. just only " chatters " online and not fighters. :cuac: HAHAHAHAAHH...!!!

So I'm so sorry of this all what I said,.. (naah,.. I am not.)
but reason for that, I don't spend so much my time for reading some RO forum post or write in here..
and not so often. :angel1:
(my 4th post on last 3 years)

Peace and love!!!!! :p HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[David-Ignis]

So I'm so sorry of this all what I said,.. (naah,.. I am not.)
but reason for that, I don't spend so much my time for reading some RO forum post or write in here..
and not so often. :angel1:
(my 4th post on last 3 years)

Peace and love!!!!! :p HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Better if you continue not spending so much time on forum if your posts are going to be like this... Why should we keep the mouth shut? I am still waiting to see Hunter's bad moment... you would be one of the first complaining probably! try to go around wz with a barbarian and tell me how do you consider the state of this class or try a marksman right now it is one of the worst now, yes barbarian got a bit better but fake hits, positioning problems are still making play frustrating.

[Kyrottimus]

Real Barbarians don't cry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVBvy2cc0Io

They accept their rol in war and find the right tactic to kill their enemies or die.

For the record, it's "role" but I'm sure it was just a typo. Upward and onward...


HAHAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


Mages and Hunters are far and away the best class's in the game right now

Sometimes yes I can deal out good damage and take a fair ammount, after about 4 buffs (4 long GCD's) and 800 odd mana, then the 2 offence buffs last all of 40/45 secs before needing to be cast again and thats without counting UM. Knights are in an even worse state, their once great auras are now largely laughed at and their only real way to tank much longer than any other class is Ao1. Warriors in general are in a real state.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Umaril again."

DAMN!!! We agree too much... :cuac:

[Arafails]

Currently,

This is a bunny rabbit:
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__|__
He is harder to kill than a barbarian that has any kind of attack ability left. Yay fer bunny!

[Klutu]

I am really fed up with the continuosly whining of some barbarians. Not all of course; the Real Barbarians don't cry. They accept their rol in war and find the right tactic to kill their enemies or die. I myself have a barbarian and I do not complain. I can make lots of damage to my enemies and they can make lots of damage to me a well. It is all a matter of tactics.

So I call to those few fake barbs to stop whining and complaining and take example of the Real Barbarians! Otherwise you should try another class...

There are other classes with more right to complain than the barbs. Like knights p.e. or mages. And you know what? They are the ones who complain less.

id like to know your lvl 50 barbs name..


i use to be able to play barb and enjoy it in Alsius & Syrtis now all i end up doing is running from the save every 2 minutes do to Mass Range vs Small amount of Warriors, Phantom Swings Nerfing our damage and increasing Mana Cost on vital Spells

least before we didnt have much defence but we could kill 1 or 2 before we died now we just die

then small things like,,

Cast Time on Heals:

Spells not canceling by getting behind your enemy (locks lasting fireballs out of there ass)

Spells not going into CD if someones able to cancel it (made locks nothing but Terror Spammers) use to take a bit of skill to cast a good terror

adding sockets.. locks with 14% cs on there staff alone..

then the random nerf of Onslaught 45 seconds to 10 seconds.. (same mana cost)



Basicly NGD was working on Balance nerfed us and a few spells from conjs and knights and then decided to work on there engine..

so we will have to wait until this new client and character model stuff is over with.

[Kyrottimus]

id like to know your lvl 50 barbs name..


i use to be able to play barb and enjoy it in Alsius & Syrtis now all i end up doing is running from the save every 2 minutes do to Mass Range vs Small amount of Warriors, Phantom Swings Nerfing our damage and increasing Mana Cost on vital Spells

least before we didnt have much defence but we could kill 1 or 2 before we died now we just die

then small things like,,

Cast Time on Heals:

Spells not canceling by getting behind your enemy (locks lasting fireballs out of there ass)

Spells not going into CD if someones able to cancel it (made locks nothing but Terror Spammers) use to take a bit of skill to cast a good terror

adding sockets.. locks with 14% cs on there staff alone..

then the random nerf of Onslaught 45 seconds to 10 seconds.. (same mana cost)

Basicly NGD was working on Balance nerfed us and a few spells from conjs and knights and then decided to work on there engine..

so we will have to wait until this new client and character model stuff is over with.

Yep, 100% spot on. This really sums it up well, yet another lucid and well-pointed view on the matter.

[Groark]

Spells not canceling by getting behind your enemy (locks lasting fireballs out of there ass)
Spells not going into CD if someones able to cancel it (made locks nothing but Terror Spammers) use to take a bit of skill to cast a good terror
adding sockets.. locks with 14% cs on there staff alone.

You are attacking your own alsius locks. I don't think they will appreciate that. And if you are so jealours of them, you might consider playing one. Then you will be helped out of your dream and make a complain thread again.....:cuac:ou

[shayologo28]

I am really fed up with the continuosly whining of some barbarians. Not all of course; the Real Barbarians don't cry. They accept their rol in war and find the right tactic to kill their enemies or die. I myself have a barbarian and I do not complain. I can make lots of damage to my enemies and they can make lots of damage to me a well. It is all a matter of tactics.

So I call to those few fake barbs to stop whining and complaining and take example of the Real Barbarians! Otherwise you should try another class...

There are other classes with more right to complain than the barbs. Like knights p.e. or mages. And you know what? They are the ones who complain less.

You play in syrtis right?

Plays barb when you rush 10 ppl when you are 30 it's fun, you hit and kill

Be rushingby 30 pll when you are barb is shit, you die befor hit someone and you havn't any "sanctuary" spell

Barb buff casting time are to long for to short duration
Cast berserk + TFB + caution + frenzy + Madness = around 10-15s

When duration is 40s you have around 30s to fight befor be unbuffed and you need 10-15s to rush ennemy that let you 15s buff

And don't forget you have already use all your mana and you can't cast area/other attack spell

[David-Ignis]

For the guy who sent me red karma "Better you keep the mouth shut too":

I never said anybody to keep the mouth shut, so read the post before sending karma :)
Yes my post was a little "caliente" but I do not like people who does not know the game* and says me to keep the mouth shut and call me drama queen!


*Someone that says that barbarians are ok, does not know the game for me, or simply plays other classes.
Thank you for signing :)

[Groark]

For the record people: I (or anyone else in this thread) never said that Barbarians are ok, so no need to get excited...

In my thread I just said that I was tired of some barbarians who do not stop crying about how bad they have and how good other classes have.... So my advice to those few is: Or learn to play the way it is or change to the class you think is better. That's it.

[UmarilsStillHere]

change to the class you think is better. That's it.

With the number of barbs I know who are fed up with all the issues of the class quiting it would only increase the problems for the few that are left, if there is a problem in balance you need to work though it, not ignore it and jump to another class.

And if you want something to happen its more likely to happen if your vocal about it and try to point NGD in the directions the players think the game needs to go to improve, after all we are playing it far more than NGD so pointing out what we see as issues with balance gameplay bugs etc saves them having to find them themselfs, maybe NGD plays on the live servers sometimes under secret names I dont know, but Id think NGD spends very little time acctualy in game.

[Groark]

...if you want something to happen its more likely to happen if your vocal about it and try to point NGD in the directions the players think the game needs to go to improve...

It is not "the players" in this case, it is just a couple of "barbarian" players triying to manipulate NGD for their own sake because they cannot cope with the changes NGD has made; they just live in the past. They are not representative of the Barbarian class at all.

[Kyrottimus]

With the number of barbs I know who are fed up with all the issues of the class quiting it would only increase the problems for the few that are left, if there is a problem in balance you need to work though it, not ignore it and jump to another class.

Yet another +1 x 100%

Succinctly put.

It is not "the players" in this case, it is just a couple of "barbarian" players triying to manipulate NGD for their own sake because they cannot cope with the changes NGD has made; they just live in the past. They are not representative of the Barbarian class at all.

IMO all player's of all classes should have their opinions respected. Because if they play, they have their own unique viewpoint regarding it, and that viewpoint makes up a single yet significant part of the whole picture of how players (plural) perceive the game.

They are not representative of the Barbarian class at all.

wow.... so let me see if I get your logic. Players whose main class is barbarian, and has an opinion about it that others may not agree with, are not representative of the barbarian class? Not even as a single representative source?

**cough** **cough**

[Groark]

IMO all player's of all classes should have their opinions respected. Because if they play, they have their own unique viewpoint regarding it, and that viewpoint makes up a single yet significant part of the whole picture of how players (plural) perceive the game.

Of course, no doubt about that. I thought that I made myself clear that it is the CONTINUOSLY whining and complaining of some players that I am tired of. So, I respect everybodys opinion as long as it does not turn into a continuosly attempt of manipulation.

[UmarilsStillHere]

Well if its an ongoing issue then people will continue to talk about it untill something is done or they are at the very least acknolaged by NGD and given a opinion on if they think its a problem or have plans to change it.

The world is always at war somewhere (issue) since the end of WW2 there has been less than 20mins recorded when no nation was at war (on going issue) thus peace protests are always going on (on going pressure to change) there wasnt one protest in 1945 then everyone said 'ok point made lets hope they take notice!' an on going issue needs on going debate, the same applys to issues in balance here. Eg Ignis/Alsius being zerged by Syrtis all the time, we have 10 threads on that not 1 because its a on going issue.

(and the reward for saying on going more than anyone else ever in one paragraph goes to Umaril!)

[Gawyn_Trakkand]

As some of you know i have access to a level 50 barb and regularly play it. Fortunatly I also have a lvl 50 knight to take the frustration of dying over and over and over again away. Barb is a very frustrating class, massively mana hungry and without the proper support are practically useless. I do agree as far as the whining is concerned you could just make another char (I know this is boring but hey). I however do not agree with the phrase 'Knights, mages have more of a right to complain' This is simply not true yes block is a fail but everyone who has been playing long enough has found a way to survive without relying on it. Mages just O.o i mean eh? You sure you're playing Regnum?

IMO all barb is good for is one area before they are knock juggled (even with UM) and killed and this is VERY frustrating and i believe barbs have a right to complain about it.

[UmarilsStillHere]

Ive been Sultar Ambush kick feint kick sultar ambush feint will domain (insert massive knock chain here)'ed today more times than Ive taken a step...

Also noticed a error with knights thats been around for a while, most people know it but hek its a warrior discussion. Knight defence royaly sucks vs high damage (like that delt by [buffed] barbs) today I landed a hit on a barb with frenzy on, 790ish damage he died so I moved to a near by knight who was on low hp (no ao1) without any crit, any new buffs or powers I hit 1.2k on him, I noticed this and had a bit of a wtf moment, Ive known about this issue for ages but seeing the differance in damage next to each other in the log really reminded me of it. Knights need a % damage resister spell that they can use as casualy as most players use acrobatic or frenzy, armour points just fail to soak high damage.

[Gawyn_Trakkand]

I have all 3 resist physical dmg passives on 4 but thats just me i doubt many other will do that

[Charly_Metal]

Since the 1.0.8 update the skill nerfing is a secondary problem (but still a big problem) for warriors. The main issue with this update was the change in the combat system that made warriors less playable: Phantom swings, bad positioning, big delay in castings (even bigger in non-instant skills and much more if you add a normal hit before), castings getting canceled by movement, pre-casting broken, the slowest GCD, and the GCD system in general, that made faster weapons useless since skills doesn't depend on weapon speed anymore to start casting.

Only fixing these gameplay problems we can talk about skill balance.

[Kyrottimus]

Since the 1.0.8 update the skill nerfing is a secondary problem (but still a big problem) for warriors. The main issue with this update was the change in the combat system that made warriors less playable: Phantom swings, bad positioning, big delay in castings (even bigger in non-instant skills and much more if you add a normal hit before), castings getting canceled by movement, pre-casting broken, the slowest GCD, and the GCD system in general, that made faster weapons useless since skills doesn't depend on weapon speed anymore to start casting.

Only fixing these gameplay problems we can talk about skill balance.

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/9632/djbluewaterplusonelh1.jpg
(Huge +1 for those who don't get it)

[Angelwinged_Devil]

wow.... so let me see if I get your logic. Players whose main class is barbarian, and has an opinion about it that others may not agree with, are not representative of the barbarian class? Not even as a single representative source?


be careful about people who chose a class as a main class, they often want disbalance so they can dominate with their own class

[Kyrottimus]

be careful about people who chose a class as a main class, they often want disbalance so they can dominate with their own class

Maybe they just want their favorite conceptual class to be their actual favorite class to play?

Conceptually, barbarian sounded like it would be the most fun to play to me. It is not. Knight, for me, is far more enjoyable to play.

Were some attention to given to warriors in general, as so well expressed by Charly_Metal's post above, I believe I would find much more enjoyment in both classes, and more than enough of it in the Barbarian class for me to play it more frequently.

[Angelwinged_Devil]

Maybe they just want their favorite conceptual class to be their actual favorite class to play?

if it is their favourite why switch?

Most of the problems that warriors face right now are technical which makes it frustrating to play at times, the only class now that I need to play in the war zone is marksman then I've played all.

I've always been an offensive mage kinda guy but have stated that I want cast speed items nerfed, cancelcooldown taken back and sultars terror changed to range 30.

Some simple system changes made the game imbalanced and will have to be rebalanced again. To the original poster I believe some people complaining about a strong skill such as unstoppable madness being too weak, need to rethink their reality about the game.

[Kyrottimus]

if it is their favourite why switch?

That's why I used the term "conceptual", meaning the concept or idea behind barbarian (fast moving, hard-hitting offensive class) made it my favorite class, conceptually.

In practice, however, barbs aren't that fast-moving anymore (especially with mass knock-juggles and the ons nerf), nor that hard-hitting (with STR bonus nerfs, mass evades/resists of foes and positioning problems/phantom swings; even landing a hit is difficult anymore).

So I hope I've cleared my intended point in the dichotomy of Conceptual Favorite and In-Practice (Or practical) favorite.

For me, the idea of a barbarian and its inteded role in battle is my favorite class.

But since I cannot effectively play the class to that effect (or derive much fun in that effort), in its existing state, practically it is not as fun as I originally had hoped or imagined (hence the switch to Knight).

:cuac:

[_dracus_]

be careful about people who chose a class as a main class, they often want disbalance so they can dominate with their own class

It's not my main class, however I got few experience with that class. And compared to ranged class there are way more gameplay problems. Of course at level 50 it is powerful class, but it's almost impossible to unleash the real power of a barbarian right now. Phantom swings are insults to warriors and should have been fixed asap. Which gives barbarian players the feeling to be useful only to destroy gates.

[Domino_]

I am really fed up with the continuosly whining of some barbarians. Not all of course; the Real Barbarians don't cry. They accept their rol in war and find the right tactic to kill their enemies or die. I myself have a barbarian and I do not complain. I can make lots of damage to my enemies and they can make lots of damage to me a well. It is all a matter of tactics.

So I call to those few fake barbs to stop whining and complaining and take example of the Real Barbarians! Otherwise you should try another class...

There are other classes with more right to complain than the barbs. Like knights p.e. or mages. And you know what? They are the ones who complain less.

If you dont like those whiners just dont read their threads, they have rights to write if they feel that something isnt ok. If those threads (or even forums) have any meaning lately is another thing.

Btw, your thread is whining one too :)
So I'm passing you the whine mark (tm)

[Groark]

[QUOTE=Domino_;904757]If you dont like those whiners just dont read their threads, they have rights to write if they feel that something isnt ok. If those threads (or even forums) have any meaning lately is another thing.
QUOTE]

If you don't like this thread don't read it I could say too...
May be you should go to school to learn the difference between whining and complaining or at least consult a dictionary...:cuac:

[Domino_]

Oh playing with words, i love that :sleep_1:


If you don't like this thread don't read it I could say too...
May be you should go to school to learn the difference between whining and complaining or at least consult a dictionary...:cuac:

:)

[Pimousse]

It's a balance problem ...
Balance between barbarians and the others. Barbarian's whining skill is too strong ! Balance needed :D Make 100% resist for UM ;)

[Klutu]

i don't want my class to be imbalanced thats no fun..

But i want my class to be proper

Basic issue for me is..


Melee vs Archer

Melee is slow and has 1.5range --- Archer is Fast and has 20-25-30-42 range

[DkySven]

All this whining serves no use. Developers don't bother reading threads like this. If you want them to read your nice advice, it should be better formulated and not degenerating into a rant.

[Wield_II]

id like to know your lvl 50 barbs name..


i use to be able to play barb and enjoy it in Alsius & Syrtis now all i end up doing is running from the save every 2 minutes do to Mass Range vs Small amount of Warriors, Phantom Swings Nerfing our damage and increasing Mana Cost on vital Spells

least before we didnt have much defence but we could kill 1 or 2 before we died now we just die

then small things like,,

Cast Time on Heals:

Spells not canceling by getting behind your enemy (locks lasting fireballs out of there ass)

Spells not going into CD if someones able to cancel it (made locks nothing but Terror Spammers) use to take a bit of skill to cast a good terror

adding sockets.. locks with 14% cs on there staff alone..

then the random nerf of Onslaught 45 seconds to 10 seconds.. (same mana cost)



Basicly NGD was working on Balance nerfed us and a few spells from conjs and knights and then decided to work on there engine..

so we will have to wait until this new client and character model stuff is over with.

100% agree with this, thanks for saying what i was going to say 1+ :P