In response to Moderators hanging out in chat for funzies.

[Vythica]

Stop it. If you want to hang out in realm chat, get a regular character. I've seen one particular moderator hang out in chat quite a bit. It unnerves people and it looks like showing off. Either one creates a bad perception to the players of the NGD team. Here are some other benefits (1 you don't have to field 1 trillion stupid questions, you can just hang out (2 you don't look overbearing and big-brother-ish. It really just looks bad to have a mod socializing on his mod account. Occasionally is one thing, but every other day is another.

[Klutu]

I Don't have any problem with it, if anything Dky Helps out alot in Alsius specially with new players with tips hints + he keeps us up to date with the devs actions. Which is nice

Also it keeps trolls at bay which i don't mind :p

[VandaMan]

Also it keeps trolls at bay

As one of the trolls, I hafe 2 disgree wit u.

[Dannboy]

Iz haf tu disgre tu Klutu i cent haf spem wen he iz ther nd i cen gt mutid nd i dnt wnt tu u se i leik tlkin. su u shud nt be leik "hi ima vezet u" bt bi on a personel accunt.

Oh, Ill sum it up.
I disagree with Klutu and agree with Vythica.

[DkySven]

Answering questions is one of the reasons why I log on, which is what I do in the realm chat.

[Myxir]

Stop it. If you want to hang out in realm chat, get a regular character. I've seen one particular moderator hang out in chat quite a bit. It unnerves people and it looks like showing off. Either one creates a bad perception to the players of the NGD team. Here are some other benefits (1 you don't have to field 1 trillion stupid questions, you can just hang out (2 you don't look overbearing and big-brother-ish. It really just looks bad to have a mod socializing on his mod account. Occasionally is one thing, but every other day is another.

Moderators are humans as every other players too.
Dky can differ between the dky the player and dky the mod as you can see in this forum.
Some people are just jealous of moderator powers...

[trulyem]

Answering questions is one of the reasons why I log on, which is what I do in the realm chat.

I hope someday you'd inform the game developers about the constant camping in the game which is never resolved and also the imbalance of realms.

[Angel_de_Combate]

Stop it. If you want to hang out in realm chat, get a regular character. I've seen one particular moderator hang out in chat quite a bit. It unnerves people and it looks like showing off. Either one creates a bad perception to the players of the NGD team. Here are some other benefits (1 you don't have to field 1 trillion stupid questions, you can just hang out (2 you don't look overbearing and big-brother-ish. It really just looks bad to have a mod socializing on his mod account. Occasionally is one thing, but every other day is another.

Erm...you've left..

Dky its nice to see you on realm, its shame the other dev's couldnt show their face's a bit more xD

[PT_DaAr_PT]

What the hell? lol, really?

I got no problems with Dky on realm chat answering our ''stupid'' questions that ngd normally has got no time for. =P

[Myxir]

I hope someday you'd inform the game developers about the constant camping in the game which is never resolved and also the imbalance of realms.

Just use the search function. It has been reported endlessly already.

[Anpu]

Keep up good work Dky :thumb:

Haha I find funny that user, who "officially" left a game, doesn't like mod using his mod char for doing guess what: moderating. Mod-moderator-moderating, those words looks like quite related to me.

[Kittypretty]

I'd hate to be a mod honestly..the jealousy part i don't get?

Everytime one logged on in the past it was just spammed..id probably end up swearing or getting tired on day 1 of the innane questions and immature people/responses/conversation.

so i guess it is is honorable that can take it in stride :) and not blow up.

[Vythica]

Erm...you've left..

Dky its nice to see you on realm, its shame the other dev's couldnt show their face's a bit more xD


First off, just because I've left doesn't mean that I can't still voice concerns about a game that I've invested quite heavily in. Secondly, I knew you'd disagree with me, if only for the sake of disagreeing. And finally, he's not a dev. That is short for Developer. i.e. someone who develops the game. He's a Moderator and while it's one thing to "moderate" chat, Anpu, it's quite another to sit on your mod account and chit chat with the kiddies.

[Immune]

First off, just because I've left doesn't mean that I can't still voice concerns about a game that I've invested quite heavily in.
Why does this concern you of all things? Why not worry more about the game itself and the state it's in?
He's a Moderator and while it's one thing to "moderate" chat, Anpu, it's quite another to sit on your mod account and chit chat with the kiddies.

You say it like this is all he does. Really... he's done more than most people for the game. I think you're overreacting...

[UmarilsStillHere]

First off, just because I've left...

But since you are on enough to see a Mod talking in chat to long enough to annoy you to the point of complaining on the forum about it you clearly havent 'left' very effectivly.

Dky is doing a good job, and last I checked becoming a Mod dosnt suddenly mean you dont have the same rights as everyone else (ie being able to talk to other players in game) if anything Id be happy if Mods & Devs took a more active part in in game chat.

[Anpu]

...and while it's one thing to "moderate" chat, Anpu, it's quite another to sit on your mod account and chit chat with the kiddies.
And why is that a problem for you? You want all kids for yourself or? :confused:

I dont understand, his presence on realm chat brings benefit to realm.
You have someone willing to invest part of his free time to help new players by answering questions, talk with older players and possible share some news he got (as he is a staff from NGD). And plus, he will sure try his the best to make realm chat more pleasant place, eliminating trolls/other kind of bad users.

My point is not to negate you, but I m failing to see good reason for such a "complain".

[Vythica]

And why is that a problem for you? You want all kids for yourself or? :confused:

I dont understand, his presence on realm chat brings benefit to realm.
You have someone willing to invest part of his free time to help new players by answering questions, talk with older players and possible share some news he got (as he is a staff from NGD). And plus, he will sure try his the best to make realm chat more pleasant place, eliminating trolls/other kind of bad users.

My point is not to negate you, but I m failing to see good reason for such a "complain".

What are you his spokesman? You sound like you're reciting a resumé for the guy. My point is this; not only does it appear big-brother-ish, but he's not exactly a "righteous" user, I've seen him swear in realm chat ON a mod account... And here you talk about cleaning up the chat and setting a good example...my only problem with that isn't that he swore it's that it said "[Mod]" next his name.

Look, I'm not trying to troll, I'm simply saying that these things could be avoided by simply hanging out in chat as a "Regular user". If you need to do "mod duties" then log into that account. Historically RO hasn't needed official policing, we do that pretty well on our own. We also help the noobies. On our own. We don't need a frackin' hall monitor.

[Myxir]

What are you his spokesman? You sound like you're reciting a resumé for the guy. My point is this; not only does it appear big-brother-ish, but he's not exactly a "righteous" user, I've seen him swear in realm chat ON a mod account... And here you talk about cleaning up the chat and setting a good example...my only problem with that isn't that he swore it's that it said "[Mod]" next his name.

Look, I'm not trying to troll, I'm simply saying that these things could be avoided by simply hanging out in chat as a "Regular user". If you need to do "mod duties" then log into that account. Historically RO hasn't needed official policing, we do that pretty well on our own. We also help the noobies. On our own. We don't need a frackin' hall monitor.
Have you ever been to other Regnum servers with gamemasters?
There is 1 at least online all the time.

[Immune]

My point is this; not only does it appear big-brother-ish...
How is this even a problem...
...he's not exactly a "righteous" user, I've seen him swear in realm chat ON a mod account... And here you talk about cleaning up the chat and setting a good example...my only problem with that isn't that he swore it's that it said "[Mod]" next his name...
If you don't have a problem with swearing, it shouldn't matter who said it or what it said next to their name.
...Look, I'm not trying to troll, I'm simply saying that these things could be avoided by simply hanging out in chat as a "Regular user". If you need to do "mod duties" then log into that account. Historically RO hasn't needed official policing, we do that pretty well on our own. We also help the noobies. On our own. We don't need a frackin' hall monitor.
"These things" just seem like excuses to complain to me. He's done nothing wrong and you're making a big deal out of nothing. If you have to, ignore him and move on. No one else seems to have a problem with it, leave him be.

[Vythica]

See that's where you and I agree. He's done nothing wrong (except for one occasion of swearing that I've personally seen) but other than that nothing. But there is a perception that's being put out. And it's a bad one. I have a feeling if anyone else had brought this up it would have been taken more seriously, but because I'm me, this is a chance for some of you to disagree to disagree.

[DkySven]

I said 'shit' once, why are you making such a deal out of it?

[Vythica]

Because when you're on your mod account you represent NGD, not yourself.

[Vythica]

I've had posts removed and "infractions" (whatever those are) by you. For much less than the word which I won't say because if violates terms of use. I'm just saying if you live in a glass house, don't throw bricks. It's one thing to pop on and handle something if it gets out of hand, it's another to breathe down the community's neck 24/7/365.

[Gideon_Slack]

Keep up the good work Dky.

I will say as a Moderator you just can't win. For some strange reason, many MMO players regards game publishers and moderators as "the man" -- who are always trying to screw them somehow. It's almost paranoid.

I've seen this is in realm chat. Someone will ask Dky a question in a polite and respecful manner. Immediately someone will chime to say "stop sucking up to the moderator." Apparently the only proper attitude towards a mod is one of conflict and abuse. See OP.

[Angel_de_Combate]

Isn't it funny..hilarious even that no one else shares your view. Vythica

[Vythica]

Isn't it funny..hilarious even that no one else shares your view. Vythica

See here you go opening your mouth without reading. I didn't start this thread to troll, or be trolled, but you seem to have a knack for sticking your nose into things so here:


Oh, Ill sum it up.
I disagree with Klutu and agree with Vythica.


Now, that we've established that you're wrong, again. I don't want this to be a flame thread, only to say that I feel that it's inappropriate for moderators to behave on one hand like a member of the community and on the other above it.

[Angel_de_Combate]

See here you go opening your mouth without reading. I didn't start this thread to troll, or be trolled, but you seem to have a knack for sticking your nose into things so here:




Now, that we've established that you're wrong, again. I don't want this to be a flame thread, only to say that I feel that it's inappropriate for moderators to behave on one hand like a member of the community and on the other above it.

Hum your the guy who's talking about issues that dont really effect you, because guess what you said you bloody well left the game. Not only that but your trying to tar Dky's name...man...yea and you know what people have posted on this thread that dky is doing a great job...so what he said shit..youve said much worse on forums...talk about standing in a big glass house..

/me yawns <slaps you on ignore> :)

[Vythica]

/me yawns <slaps you on ignore> :)

Is that how you handle being pawned? To be perfectly honest you should have done it long ago, since you never really contribute to any thread I post.

[Angel_de_Combate]

Dude your on my ignore, but keep posting till someone gives a shit.

[DkySven]

You can handle personal problems in private messages and when you have someone on ignore, it's a bit pointless to keep talking to them.

[Vythica]

Dude your on my ignore, but keep posting till someone gives a shit.


Can you please refrain from posting in threads that I start? You never actually contribute anything, you only come and start trouble.

ON topic; I'd like to hear what NGD has to say about this. Maybe Kailer could shed some light on the responsibilities and expectations of a "community volunteer"...

[VandaMan]

Dude your on my ignore, but keep posting till someone gives a shit.

He's obviously not on ignore...

But egos and personal friendships aside, I have to agree that socializing should probably be done on a player account rather than a GM account. Not that it's anything to get too worked up over.

[DkySven]

As far as I am aware, I only answered questions in Ignis' realm chat, I don't see what's bad about helping people with their questions.

[Vythica]

As far as I am aware, I only answered questions in Ignis' realm chat, I don't see what's bad about helping people with their questions.

Hmm, well not just Ignis realm chat... but it shouldn't be the responsibility or the percieved responsibility of a GM to be handling tasks that should be the community's AoR. To the layman, and people not gracious enough to be your buddy, it would appear that you are socializing on a GM account. You can't be both someone's boss and their friend, there is an inherent conflict of interest. Either be in the community, or moderate the community, but doing both is wrong imho.

[backe]

Back under your bridge!

[Vythica]

Back under your bridge!

FFS I'm not trolling. I have a legitimate gripe and I'm just trying to get it out there, it's everyone else who's trolling! :dumbofme:

[JzJ75]

keep up the good work Dky!

And me personaly, I love to see the mods and devs in game. This game is more to me then just war. It's community, friends and family. To see a Mod or Dev in chat bring the regnum community closer and gives the feeling that they do care about the players.

as a side note: why don't you want "BIG BROTHER" watching over you? have you been doing something wrong? xD

[Vythica]

keep up the good work Dky!

What good work, so far I've seen him unfairly kick DB and swear in chat and use an administrative account for "chillin'". We don't even know what his "work" is supposed to be. Maybe he or someone actually on staff at NGD could fill us in on exactly what a "community volunteer" does?

[backe]

What good work, so far I've seen him unfairly kick DB and swear in chat and use an administrative account for "chillin'". We don't even know what his "work" is supposed to be. Maybe he or someone actually on staff at NGD could fill us in on exactly what a "community volunteer" does?
I stand corrected.

DB kicked?

TO THE TROLL-MOBILE!:tonguey:

[Klutu]

Vyth.. you notice the only people who agree with you are trolls and people who do nothing but constantly spam and insult on realm chat. Dky has done a excellent job of being on for moderation which horus needs there should be mods on making sure nothing against the rules or no severe arguments break out. Last thing New players need too see are assholes insulting everyone and spamming the chats. things like this can turn players away from the game or a realm.

didn't you already give your "im leaving thread" so why does it bother you? since you don't play anymore

[Klutu]

What good work, so far I've seen him unfairly kick DB and swear in chat and use an administrative account for "chillin'". We don't even know what his "work" is supposed to be. Maybe he or someone actually on staff at NGD could fill us in on exactly what a "community volunteer" does?

http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showthread.php?t=56857

? he acted like this id throw him out a window

[Vythica]

Well then good thing you're not a mod. Not only that, you weren't there, DB was muted at the behest of the angry mob that is Ignis realm chat by Dky, and then DB got mad, and rightfully so, that's why he said if you're gonna mute me might as well kick me which our super mature moderator did. And you know, I'm not the only one who feels this way, I'm just the only one saying anything about it. AND I like how you called Dannboy a troll. Nice going.

[VandaMan]

http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showthread.php?t=56857

? he acted like this id throw him out a window

DB certainly did tell Dky to kick him, but he had good reason to be frustrated. There were several Ignis in realm chat telling Dky he should kick DB (without reason), and it frustrated DB to the point of calling someone "a noob." This common insult was Dky's reason for muting DB. (granted, when someone mentioned that calling another a noob wasn't mute-worthy Dky stated it was his attitude while saying it...)

And so DB must sit in front of his computer for 5 or 10 minutes, and watch most of his realm laugh at him, and has no way to respond. What do you think is going to happen when you finally unmute that kid? If I were muted because I called someone a noob, I would be pretty pissed off as well. DB is not the one at fault, realm mates asking a GM to harass him are at fault. The GM that did as his realm mates asked is at fault.

I'm not "taking his side" because I think Vyth is hilarious, and many of you probably know I'm not particularly fond of DB, but to me there is no excuse for a moderator to publicly reprimand a player at the request of other players, and especially not without a very good reason.

[Vythica]

DB certainly did tell Dky to kick him, but he had good reason to be frustrated. There were several Ignis in realm chat telling Dky he should kick DB (without reason), and it frustrated DB to the point of calling someone "a noob." This common insult was Dky's reason for muting DB. (granted, when someone mentioned that calling another a noob wasn't mute-worthy Dky stated it was his attitude while saying it...)

And so DB must sit in front of his computer for 5 or 10 minutes, and watch most of his realm laugh at him, and has no way to respond. What do you think is going to happen when you finally unmute that kid? If I were muted because I called someone a noob, I would be pretty pissed off as well. DB is not the one at fault, realm mates asking a GM to harass him are at fault. The GM that did as his realm mates asked is at fault.

I'm not "taking his side" because I think Vyth is hilarious, and many of you probably know I'm not particularly fond of DB, but to me there is no excuse for a moderator to publicly reprimand a player at the request of other players, and especially not without a very good reason.


Well said Van.

[veluchami]

Come on vyth go easy on Dky. He is just 16 and he's doing a great job for his age (apparently from people's posts, I havent seen him in action, so i refrain from commenting any further. Besides, I dont know yet how much of that is a$$-Ki$$ing, which again is a natural human tendency to suck up to people in power, which i dont complain about). He will definitely get there. Mis-judgements tend to happen just that they shouldn't be repeated.
About DB, its impossible to reason with him (and he is getting worse). Dky, my advice would be to not get involved in issues surrounding DB, its like fighting with a pig in mud. Ignore is the best option, as i fortunately found out.

My personal opinion? we dont need moderators. Either way i dont care.. i dont give a damn.

/me had to get his share of the troll-pie :p

[Vythica]

Veluchami,

I respect the tone of your post, but I disagree. (Except for the part where you said we don't need moderators.)

And for the record, this isn't now, nor ever was intended to be a "troll thread".

[Altara]

hmm ^^
Well, to start off, Dky is a nice guy, and is always willing to answer questions when people have them, which I appreciate.
Though, in general I dont believe we need a mod to watch over our Realm chats. If there is a problem, screens and reporting is always an option, whether it is a hassle or not. Another solution is to ignore the person that is _annoying_ you. Thought I find tooooo many of you are trigger happy with that option which in my opinion is not a good war strategy.

I like Dky, as a person, but I really dont think we need someone watching our chats

Hmm maybe its just me, but I think you guys are being too sensitive about this.

[SlackerLinux2]

i wasnt there but i have been on enough when db is to know he was prob asking for it

dky was prob trying to act in the best interest of the game db tends to do stuff without thinking and often gets him in trouble with multiple realm players.

i like that dky is actually on moderating the server its about time there was someone to keep it all under control.

[Vythica]

There's a difference between "keeping it under control" and muting someone because the "angry mob" says to. If we're gonna have a mod, why don't we have a mod, not somebody who is buddy buddy with some and completely intolerant of others?

[Kyrottimus]

The few times I've seen Dky in chat on his mod account he's been laid-back, straightforward, helpful and fair.

For what it's worth.

[Henri_Freundlich]

There will always be ignorants and hard-core "fans" who cheer on and agree with almost every single decision an individual, company or the Government, makes.

Such people are simply unable to accept any sort of criticism, or even legit concerns that the public makes, using connotations such as 'troll' and 'throw out the window' to discourage the masses from reading and understanding the criticism and/or concern(s) at hand.

In this case, Vythica is trying to point out that some 'moderator' who doesn't understand the surroundings (and doesn't even bother understanding) acted prematurely (and childish, like all the random IRC kicks) on a minor matter which probably didn't need any 'moderation' at all.

Poor decision making is the key issue, here. Individuals who just "go with the flow" because they're socially incapable of making the right decisions, the right choices for *ALL* the people involved. Or perhaps they are capable, but chooses to ride solely on popularity and fame in a fictitious fishbowl environment.

'Nuff said.

There may be howlers trying to nibble at my heels because of this post, but meh, I don't care. I'm rather not fond of people who can't think rationally on simple issues, like this one.

[_dracus_]

FFS I'm not trolling. I have a legitimate gripe and I'm just trying to get it out there, it's everyone else who's trolling! :dumbofme:

Stop making such a fuss about your "legitimate" trolling.

[Vythica]

FFS shut the fuck up.

I'll wait to see how long it takes before THIS is acted on. I bet if it were DB calling someone a noob it would be down already.

[Altara]

Stop making such a fuss about your "legitimate" trolling.

My my, Its true Vyth has a reputation for trolling, But I believe if someone is making a point, saying something that they believe IS wrong in the game, and needs addressing, it is very rude to call them a troll and disregard what they are saying.
If Vythica thinks this is an issue that needs to be resolved, then dont say things like "OMFG this gui iz teh tr0ll, dunt lizen !!!"
or at least thats how it is being translated in my mind.

But, as I said before, I believe many of you are being over sensitive

[Gawyn_Trakkand]

*trying to control fits of laughter* ok ok ok... you're having a rant about Moderators being too "big brotherish" guess what... they kinda are the big brothers of our community.

If you dont want your chat moderated then talk on IRC exclusively if you have a problem with how the game is run and how Moderaters do their job (btw Dky has been by far the most helpful moderator Horus has ever seen, No offence Kailer, Surak we know you're busy) then quit... oh wait you already have.

just because I've left doesn't mean that I can't still voice concerns about a game that I've invested quite heavily in.

Most of us have "invested heavily." by which you mean you bought Premium content. Holy crap someone give the man shares in NGD before we have a law suit on our hands!

Fact is Mods and Devs can do what they want and Moderate and develop in any way that they want. Nothing gives you the right to tell them how to do their job, If Dky wants to hang out on his Mod char or if any other Mod, Dev wants to do the same then there is nothing you can do about it. If you (or anyone else for that matter) have a problem with it then just.... oh yeah you already did that didnt you.

Dky If you are still reading this thread then do us all a favour. There is NO "legitamate" reasons for this to still be open. Close this thread and FOR THE LOVE OF GOD what does it take for a User who does nothing but troll, put down other users and mods to get permabanned.

[EDIT: in the 10 mins this post has been up I've recieved 2 lots of green karma. shows people agree]

[Myxir]

Dky If you are still reading this thread then do us all a favour. There is NO "legitamate" reasons for this to still be open. Close this thread and FOR THE LOVE OF GOD what does it take for a User who does nothing but troll, put down other users and mods to get permabanned.
I agree to you. If I was moderator there would not even be a second page.
I moderate the community forum in Germany too and I know behaviours like the one of Vythica quite good. And most of the time it's because people are jealous of moderators administrative powers.
He says we need no moderators and that Dky does his job bad. Okay, the forum wouldn't be much worse without Dky but he keeps it a bit cleaner. Troll threads get closed. NGD has no time for it, understandable somehow.
Dky does a great job, you don't know what's behind doing this job. It's not just "hey, be careful I have big big 1337 mod powerz" which most of the people seem to think.

[Angel_de_Combate]

*trying to control fits of laughter* ok ok ok... you're having a rant about Moderators being too "big brotherish" guess what... they kinda are the big brothers of our community.

If you dont want your chat moderated then talk on IRC exclusively if you have a problem with how the game is run and how Moderaters do their job (btw Dky has been by far the most helpful moderator Horus has ever seen, No offence Kailer, Surak we know you're busy) then quit... oh wait you already have.



Most of us have "invested heavily." by which you mean you bought Premium content. Holy crap someone give the man shares in NGD before we have a law suit on our hands!

Fact is Mods and Devs can do what they want and Moderate and develop in any way that they want. Nothing gives you the right to tell them how to do their job, If Dky wants to hang out on his Mod char or if any other Mod, Dev wants to do the same then there is nothing you can do about it. If you (or anyone else for that matter) have a problem with it then just.... oh yeah you already did that didnt you.

Dky If you are still reading this thread then do us all a favour. There is NO "legitamate" reasons for this to still be open. Close this thread and FOR THE LOVE OF GOD what does it take for a User who does nothing but troll, put down other users and mods to get permabanned.

[EDIT: in the 10 mins this post has been up I've recieved 2 lots of green karma. shows people agree]

+1 hun

Yes please close the thread, why it hasn't already is beyond me :huh:

[Dupa_z_Zasady]

...

Dude, give up. You just provoked this self-adoration circle. They'll support each other no matter what stupid one of them would do or say. They think they are community and everybody else should only listen and accept. You are not going to win with them...

[DkySven]

Vythica, you are now cherrypicking facts. You completely ignore the actions I took against the people harassing Dark Barbarian. However, those people behaved better lately. Dark Barbarian kept being rude to other users, kept spamming me with requests to help him with grinding or make his hunter level 50 and spammed the realm chat with requests to be kicked. I didn't simply mute or kicked him for just saying 'noob' once.

Also, I left this thread open so you could bring your points, but they are rather not constructive. You can mail your concerns to community@ngdstudios.com.ar