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Llayne
05-18-2010, 03:50 AM
Seriously, when we take herb what provokes you all to say 'Let's take meni!.'
and later when we take alg 'Let's take samal!'
Why is it you do everything but come to fight real players? Is it fun running around taking empty forts?

Surely you can see how a real realm will fight for their forts for hours as we do everyday. How fun would it be if every time a fort were captured for the realm that lost it to just run and take yours with no fort fights ever taking place? Should we all start acting as lame as you syrtis?

Grow a spine and come get your forts back. It isn't tactical to instead go take empty forts, it's just lame. So now passed 1 hour without fighting players but we have each others forts! fun stuff.

So this starts a chain reaction. We take Efe. You take Shaan. You take samal. We get samal. Then we Get meni. You take Alg. We get shaana back. All of this with no real fighting!

We fight for our forts for hours even when heavily outnumbered. You could show us the same courtesy lest all realms start acting as you do and the game becomes less fun for all.

Acknor
05-18-2010, 04:31 AM
Seriously, when we take herb what provokes you all to say 'Let's take meni!.'
and later when we take alg 'Let's take samal!'
Why is it you do everything but come to fight real players? Is it fun running around taking empty forts?

Surely you can see how a real realm will fight for their forts for hours as we do everyday. How fun would it be if every time a fort were captured for the realm that lost it to just run and take yours with no fort fights ever taking place? Should we all start acting as lame as you syrtis?

Grow a spine and come get your forts back. It isn't tactical to instead go take empty forts, it's just lame. So now passed 1 hour without fighting players but we have each others forts! fun stuff.

So this starts a chain reaction. We take Efe. You take Shaan. You take samal. We get samal. Then we Get meni. You take Alg. We get shaana back. All of this with no real fighting!

We fight for our forts for hours even when heavily outnumbered. You could show us the same courtesy lest all realms start acting as you do and the game becomes less fun for all.

If you are talking about the Horus night crew, there were only 6 of us. Our last track showed you with at least twice that number and you started by taking an empty fort (Alga) that we weren't any where near. We were patiently waiting for a nice fight at Herb. Who didn't want to fight people, eh?

As far as our tactics they made more sense than getting farmed, simple as that.

Llayne
05-18-2010, 04:52 AM
As far as our tactics they made more sense than getting farmed, simple as that.

So I guess you are saying we should all start doing this when syrtis stacks 20-30+ in our forts every day? If anyone has cause to act like this it's Alsius and Ignis...

I guess it's true. When you don't have a zerg you simply will not fight. Or don't know how?

VandaMan
05-18-2010, 05:18 AM
This is really nothing new, and I agree with Kal to an extent... although I'm rather surprised to see him posting like this. It's important to recognize that many of the ones farming samal for hours during the day aren't the same people who run to empty forts to avoid fights all night.

I really don't get too upset if we're dominating syrtis with twice their number in the field between the fort and the save, and they decide to run off to meni. The thing that bothers me is when they make one attempt, and then run to an empty fort or just sit at the save until we leave. I wasn't on for the specific situation being discussed, so I really can't say.

I do notice that syrtis tends to either take back their forts by outnumbering enemies 2 to 1, or by finding another way to force them out that doesn't require fighting. There are very few fights with syrtis (at forts) that I would call fun, whether my team is winning or not.

UmarilsStillHere
05-18-2010, 09:56 AM
All realms do this (I have no idea why, but seems some in each realm like to fight NPCs a lot)

If Syrtis takes Samal, Alsius will often take Herb,
If Ignis takes Aggers Syrtis will sometimes take Trele
If Alsius takes Meni you can count on some Syrtis wanting to take Samal/Some Alsian fort
Often if Ignis take Efe Alsius take Herb or Alga

Or in the case of same realm same fort sometimes If Syrtis takes Samal, Ignis take Efe, or if Syrtis take Trele Alsius take Alga etc...

Or is Samal if camped some people will say 'lets go meni/shaana instead' thankfully though recently in my play time at least these people are told to stfu and its more fun to attack a camped fort than a empty castle.

Syrtis do often seem to take forts back just by zerging the shit off them, but what realm dosnt?

If we take Ignis trying to take a fort back as an example, say Syrtis starts with 30, Ignis with 20, slowly over time the zerg will be silly, lose the odd player than wont come back, some people on both sides may get bored/frustrated and log out we may be down to 23/17 now, then, eventually the bulk of Syrtis get silly and gets killed, probably in the same sultar spam storm they spent the last 2 hours farming Ignis with. Then numbers look more like 6/15 and Syrtis lose the fort soon after, thus by the end at least 'you zerged the fort'

Syrtis on the other hand simply have the numbers to do this right away most of the time, Ignis may take Herb with 15 people, and in a few mins Syrtis will have gathered 30, then Ignis get zerged.

Its rare that I see a even or smaller attacking force kick a defender force from a fort simply because its a very hard thing to do when the enemy have a fort to hide in.

Shwish
05-18-2010, 10:26 AM
My realm wasnt involved in this specific event as far as i know but i dont think fingers should be pointed at the entire realm, but more so to a specific player or group of players.

What ive noticed in Alsius are players regrouping to take the 'Minor' fort (Menira or Algaros). At the regroup point, an arguement will start with some of the more experienced players (usually) plea-ing to go to Samal/Herbred instead because we will be sure to get a good fight there. I usually agree with this, taking an empty fort isnt fun at all. This arguement lasts anywhere between 15-30 minutes and results in realm chat being spammed with utter retardedness for lack of a better word.

My role in this is to try my best to keep the forces together, no matter where we plan to go. In Alsius we arent enough to split and maybe this was what happened in the Syrtis vs Ignius issue. One person thought it would be funny to attack a defensless fort and his 2 buddies agreed. The rest of the realm didnt see a point in splitting an already weakened force (ie the 'Night Crew') so they tagged along (probably after a heated debate about it).

My point is that there are those handful of people who take pleasure in easy an easy victory, it doesnt mean the whole realm is the same

Minorian
05-18-2010, 10:54 AM
action is becoming divided, im not sure about alsius view, but here is my ignis view.

When we see a fort go under attack we all rush there. but most of the time its meni and we have no chance to get there and stop the attackers. when its at samal most of the time the attackers wont come without 15+ people, and on average Ignis will muster about 5 people for war(thankfully this number is increasing) If it's Syrtis, everyone groans, gets angry about the lame farming gelfs, a few dont go to avoid the farm, but most do go. Then for the next 1+ hrs Syrtis will farm us with normally around 3 to 1. I dont think Ive enjoyed a fight with Syrtis in a long, long time. When Alsius takes a fort, its all a different story.

If someone yells "goats at <insert fort here> everyone is exited, we know we're going to get a fun fight. Everyone rushes, but most of the time the fort is still taken. Normally the goats will have 4 or 5 more people, with the fort advAantage, but this is nowhere close to the frustration of 3 to 1. I never get annoyed with the goats, I ALWAYS enjoy forts with the goats, even if it takes almosy an hour to take back, because of 2 things, numbers, and playing style.

Goats will often not have too many more of us, whilst syrtis outnumber 3 to 1 (normally).

With playing style, goats come far out of the fort, and stay there. It is obvious they are looking for a good matched fight. And when we push them back to the fort, they dont just let us get on the door and then area spam, they come out along the walls and try to kill us.

When the gelfs play, its a whole different story. they rush, and kill the poor people all the way back to the save. Then they run back to the fort so Ignis never ever has a chance to kill them. This is incredibly boring and annoying to play against, the whole "were only looking for kills and rp, we dont want a real fight" attitude. Ive heard it before that its just a few that just want to sit at fort then farm rush, and my answer always is "So why dont the rest of you come and get a real fight away from the fort?"

And its not just at fort wars, syrtis almost always hunts in 2 or more, giving no chance for fun. When they go OC they have at least 5 on average, and run as soon as we get a group together.

Its just lame to fight gelfs, and not fun. I only enjoy the fights with our good goats :)

ljrossi
05-18-2010, 11:28 AM
At least in RA most of time we do this to play "invasions",
if you want to play fight just go to Menira, and fight back.

Its a cold war.... sometimes.

NotScias
05-18-2010, 12:01 PM
If it's Syrtis, everyone groans, gets angry about the lame farming gelfs, a few dont go to avoid the farm, but most do go.

Then for the next 1+ hrs Syrtis will farm us with normally around 3 to 1.

I'm sorry but I think there's really a big motivation problem in Ignis. Most of the times when we take Samal, we're not that many. The first Ignis waves will maybe be pretty decent but 2 or 3 waves after will remain only some unchallenging ones, while we discover that there's a Ignis zerg camping pb/limit. Well whatever, after long and boring minutes we finally decide to go Shaana where we discover a lvl4 very heavily camped fort with tons of lvl50s inside that we never saw at Samal, and even with our full zerg we don't even scratch the door there...

I also can't count how many times you waited for us to leave the fort to capture it, like one day after long minutes of boredom we go clean limite, at limit we see "Samal fort is under attack !", and when we go back we see like 20+ iggies on door and on road who kill us, same if we go to another fort, Samal is recaptured in few seconds after our leaving...
I can't count how many times you had a giant zerg at pb and even if we tried several times to kill you there we failed, and after like 40 min you went to zerg Algaros or Eferias because you didn't have the balls to come herb...
And I could give more examples.

Sorry but before threating the other realms as pussies and wet chickens, I think you should look at yourself before...

You're right on one point tho, fights with Alsius are way more fun... I still don't understand why our realm still bother to play with Ignis since you immediately hide and moan about our "overpopulation" when we capture one of your forts...

Anyriand
05-18-2010, 12:31 PM
I'm sorry but I think there's really a big motivation problem in Ignis.

I've noticed this too. Lately Samal is either camped by ignis making it impossible to capture, or when it isn't Ignis doesn't seem to want to fight back, not even try. Not sure if it's because you simply don't have the numbers or...
I've been at Samal so many times without a single player from ignis in sight, we just end up taking Herb.


Every realm does something that for others might not seem like the right approach, like what I've mentioned above, or Syrtis fighting with us at pp and going to an empty Trelle after. But you can't blame a whole realm for it, and first of all it's important to look at how your realm does things too.

Acknor
05-18-2010, 04:10 PM
So I guess you are saying we should all start doing this when syrtis stacks 20-30+ in our forts every day? If anyone has cause to act like this it's Alsius and Ignis...

I guess it's true. When you don't have a zerg you simply will not fight. Or don't know how?

No, I'm not saying that at all. We had a few good fights at PB, fairly even numbers then next we knew we got zerged at the bridge by twice as many enemies.

So, as good tactics dictate, we retreated to a position of strength as we knew we did not have the numbers to compete with the growing horde of Ignis. Instead of coming to Herb to have a fight that I'm sure you could have easily won with your numbers, you went to Alga which was empty. I can only guess that you did that to avoid a fight at Herb. We took empty forts because that was the only way we were going to have any chance of getting you out of ours. I suppose I should apologize for not letting you kill me repeatedly at Alga. I'll try to give out more RP the next time.

Finally, no one wants to fight against a zerg and I don't blame them. I don't play during the Syrtis zerg hours and am glad I don't. The few times I've been on, I've been bored to death. At least at night with the smaller numbers we have the chance to have good fights at the bridges, in the open fields, anywhere WE decide to fight. Don't let the game dictate where the wars happen - that is the job of the players.


See you in the WZ.....

VandaMan
05-18-2010, 04:44 PM
I'm sorry but I think there's really a big motivation problem in Ignis. Most of the times when we take Samal, we're not that many. The first Ignis waves will maybe be pretty decent but 2 or 3 waves after will remain only some unchallenging ones, while we discover that there's a Ignis zerg camping pb/limit. Well whatever, after long and boring minutes we finally decide to go Shaana where we discover a lvl4 very heavily camped fort with tons of lvl50s inside that we never saw at Samal, and even with our full zerg we don't even scratch the door there...

I also can't count how many times you waited for us to leave the fort to capture it, like one day after long minutes of boredom we go clean limite, at limit we see "Samal fort is under attack !", and when we go back we see like 20+ iggies on door and on road who kill us, same if we go to another fort, Samal is recaptured in few seconds after our leaving...
I can't count how many times you had a giant zerg at pb and even if we tried several times to kill you there we failed, and after like 40 min you went to zerg Algaros or Eferias because you didn't have the balls to come herb...
And I could give more examples.

Sorry but before threating the other realms as pussies and wet chickens, I think you should look at yourself before...

You're right on one point tho, fights with Alsius are way more fun... I still don't understand why our realm still bother to play with Ignis since you immediately hide and moan about our "overpopulation" when we capture one of your forts...

I'm sorry, but that's complete and utter bullshit. The "zerg" that camps PB when you have herb is usually a maximum of 5 hunters, and it only grows to this size because the only time we're able to get 10 meters from samal save before dying is when you let us so you can area spam us on the fort door.

As for tons of level 50's camping in shaana... if there are 10 level 50's online in ignis it's a good day. If you've got all 10 in the same place, we're probably trying to invade. No more than 2 or 3 high levels go to camp shaana when we're being zerged, and even that only happens on the worst days when it's 3 to 1 for hours and hours.

Furthermore, I don't know why I bothered reading your post. You are one of the worst of "the zergers." Your opinion is obviously going to be ridiculous, because I've never seen you in a fight where you didn't outnumber your enemies 2 to 1, or try and mount a horse and run away. But don't worry, you're amazing. You haz RP!!! :D:D:D:D

Klutu
05-18-2010, 04:52 PM
lol - proof everyone likes picking on the goats :P

most of what im seeing here is how i feel about war on horus

I rarely enjoy taking a Syrtis fort though i don't discourage it and will try to get the group to go to herb instead of Alga ( im 1 of those people who will argue in realm/general chat about it :p)

(Syrtis High Population Time)
if Alsius takes herb with 10-15+ players - 5-10 minutes we will lose the fort too 25-30 Syrtis players - basicly kill us off 1 by 1 then mass on the door

(Syrtis "Night Crew")
it's grown alot from the 5-6 people who use to sit at the gate trying to stop ignis everynight

If Alsius takes herb at night normally have 10-15 players - Syrtis will start off small and take a few minutes to regroup too actually reach our numbers and on few ocasions outnumber us by a few - while there fighting i always notice that there not interested in Fighting the Players there just trying to force there door down and recapture as fast as possible - so they stack auras, mod and more - they will try this 5-7 times before trying to actually fight the players.

If Alsius is holding there fort for more then 20 minutes - Syrtis becomes lazy and either log off, camp bridges, even had a few camp the Alsius CS, - they will try 1 or 2 more attacks on a fort then we wont see any Syrtis Players until "Trelleborg fort is under Attack" we all laugh at them and normally head to trelle because we know IMP is next - they lose normally trying to capture imp and then run to empty herb and we all end up with no forts (boring)

now for Ignis i enjoy most fights with ignis just about anytime of the day

Ignis's Population is alot more Balanced threw all hours of the day not massing in any special timezone - Alsius can almost always enjoy a good fight even if only for a few minutes

now Alsius has a few "Noob Leaders" (low lvls leading other low lvls around :P)
which normally leads to Alga/Meni Fights and most of them constantly lvl aggers to lvl 4 (FUUUUUU)

part of the reason for taking empty forts is because of lvling forts.. there almost impossible to take unless you either have a zerg or the enemy is very very few

Mattdoesrock
05-18-2010, 04:59 PM
One thing you can always count on though is this:

You'll be having some nice fights with Syrtis, ping ponging between aggers / pp / herb etc. When you'll go to regroup and see "Trelleborg fort has been captured by Syrtis!"

When that happens, for me it's an insta-log off. Completely ruins the fun. Alot of people feel the same way as well.

AariEv
05-18-2010, 05:30 PM
One thing you can always count on though is this:

You'll be having some nice fights with Syrtis, ping ponging between aggers / pp / herb etc. When you'll go to regroup and see "Trelleborg fort has been captured by Syrtis!"

When that happens, for me it's an insta-log off. Completely ruins the fun. Alot of people feel the same way as well.

First of all, just because you see a sign that says "Trellesborg fort has been captured by Syrtis", doesn't mean that the zerg you were fighting went to Trelle. Is it possible that another group (seperate from the main zerg) went to Trelleborg? I personally belong to a clan that likes to try and take forts, despite what the rest of the realm is doing. We could have been the people who took trelle while the rest of the realm was fighting (we like that fort ^_^ ).

Second of all, it makes no sense calling each other "pussies" and "asses" because we all have a different perspective when it comes to war. I, personally, can only speak from the Syrtis point-of-view. I'll admit, whenever we farm samal, we kill everyone on the way to the save until someone yells "BACK" and then we all run back to samal (or any other fort) as a group. I can understand that from a Ignis point of view, this is really boring. I'm one of several syrtis who like dying, so if you see a noob warju named "aasiora" (lvl 37) who's not fighting in the group (and who loves SM), come try to kill me.

Inkster
05-18-2010, 05:38 PM
Seriously, when we take herb what provokes you all to say 'Let's take meni!.'
and later when we take alg 'Let's take samal!'
Why is it you do everything but come to fight real players? Is it fun running around taking empty forts?

Surely you can see how a real realm will fight for their forts for hours as we do everyday. How fun would it be if every time a fort were captured for the realm that lost it to just run and take yours with no fort fights ever taking place? Should we all start acting as lame as you syrtis?

Grow a spine and come get your forts back. It isn't tactical to instead go take empty forts, it's just lame. So now passed 1 hour without fighting players but we have each others forts! fun stuff.

So this starts a chain reaction. We take Efe. You take Shaan. You take samal. We get samal. Then we Get meni. You take Alg. We get shaana back. All of this with no real fighting!

We fight for our forts for hours even when heavily outnumbered. You could show us the same courtesy lest all realms start acting as you do and the game becomes less fun for all.

Stop whining!

-Kalid-
05-18-2010, 06:20 PM
Stop whining!

I totally agree with you :D

Stop whining!!

Acknor
05-18-2010, 06:47 PM
(Syrtis "Night Crew")
If Alsius takes herb at night normally have 10-15 players - Syrtis will start off small and take a few minutes to regroup too actually reach our numbers and on few ocasions outnumber us by a few - while there fighting i always notice that there not interested in Fighting the Players there just trying to force there door down and recapture as fast as possible - so they stack auras, mod and more - they will try this 5-7 times before trying to actually fight the players.



We'd be glad to fight players if the whole group of you would stop running in the fort everytime one person got hit with a 25 normal from our conj xD

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't the point of a fort battle to get your fort back from the enemy? Makes perfect sense to me that we'd focus on that. I swear I've seen other realms do the exact same thing as us.

TheMessenger
05-18-2010, 07:01 PM
Since I have played all 3 realms and half (probably most actually) of this crap in here from syrtis players is bs I have to post

First of all @ Scias what are you talking about most the time you take samal you dont even have that much? Ive been with syrtis when they take samal and Ive fought against them when they take samal and I can guarantee you that (besides your off time, if yall even have one anymore) you have at least 15 players zerging samal each time you take it. In fact you have so many players taking samal most the time that, when the fort is lvl 4, someone can die (with the door up) and not even make it back in time to help the GC. And this is even with a Hunter with mobil 5 and passive 4.

And when did we do this so called waiting for yall to leave and than zerging samal with 20+ players? Sorry but please dont get ignis mixed up with your own realm. 95% of the time ignis has players fighting for samal, even if it is ~10 (because the others got tired of being farmed 2 hours ago) and than yall leave to aggers and everyone comes to take samal back.


When do we have a "zerg" camping pb? We NEVER do. I would know since whenever samal is being farmed by syrtis I am at pb camping it. So unless you are calling me a zerg and maybe the 2-5 other hunters there a zerg than you are very wrong.

Having balls has nothing to do with coming to herb during your peak time while you outnumber us 2/3-1...thats called stupidity which syrtis is full of.

Yea you dont understand why syrtis still farms us yet you do it everyday. You are full of shit:D I like how syrtis players have come on here before saying that farming isnt fun to them but the funny thing is ever since alsius has started having around the same numbers you do, or can take back the fort you have, you seem to be doing your best to stay away from them and stay in ignis. I wonder why

Also you usually only have 6 players at night? Sorry but this isnt back when lunar, fonzy and SoL were still in syrtis. Being able to play that card ended awhile ago. Most the time you still have the same amount of players ignis or alsius has now at night. Even when you supposedly dont if ignis/alsius leave somehow you manage to zerg herb with around 15 players.

So Ill end that there since its already long enough.

Edit:

#1 Minamoto Syrtis Wood Elf Marksman 50 235.373

#2 Repoorteht Syrtis Wood Elf Warlock 50 215.833

#3 Tigerious Syrtis Half Elf Barbarian 50 190.690

#4 Scias Syrtis Alturian Conjurer 50 180.897

#6 Tsukuyomi Syrtis Wood Elf Warlock 50 145.180

#7 Annavilya Syrtis Wood Elf Hunter 50 121.402

#8 Braveheart Syrtis Wood Elf Hunter 50 118.215

#11 Jaud Syrtis Alturian Knight 50 105.630

#14 Bulgaro Syrtis Alturian Barbarian 50 102.708

#15 namus Syrtis Alturian Hunter 50 102.227

#17 Outlaw Syrtis Wood Elf Marksman 50 97.694

#20 Biwie Syrtis Wood Elf Hunter 50 92.757

:clapclap:

Acknor
05-18-2010, 07:21 PM
Also you usually only have 6 players at night? Sorry but this isnt back when lunar, fonzy and SoL were still in syrtis. Being able to play that card ended awhile ago. Most the time you still have the same amount of players ignis or alsius has now at night. Even when you supposedly dont if ignis/alsius leave somehow you manage to zerg herb with around 15 players.

I didn't say we only ever have 6 people at night, I was speaking about this one specific incident. Read a little closer next time and don't put words in my mouth.

Last word on this from me. I can see trying to get my point across is futile.

Mattdoesrock
05-18-2010, 07:24 PM
#1 Minamoto Syrtis Wood Elf Marksman 50 235.373

#2 Repoorteht Syrtis Wood Elf Warlock 50 215.833

#3 Tigerious Syrtis Half Elf Barbarian 50 190.690

#4 Scias Syrtis Alturian Conjurer 50 180.897

#6 Tsukuyomi Syrtis Wood Elf Warlock 50 145.180

#7 Annavilya Syrtis Wood Elf Hunter 50 121.402

#8 Braveheart Syrtis Wood Elf Hunter 50 118.215

#11 Jaud Syrtis Alturian Knight 50 105.630

#14 Bulgaro Syrtis Alturian Barbarian 50 102.708

#15 namus Syrtis Alturian Hunter 50 102.227

#17 Outlaw Syrtis Wood Elf Marksman 50 97.694

#20 Biwie Syrtis Wood Elf Hunter 50 92.757

:clapclap:

All these players are in an EU time zone, and are then, by default, not part of the "night crew."

TheMessenger
05-18-2010, 07:39 PM
All these players are in an EU time zone, and are then, by default, not part of the "night crew."

I know when they play I was just posting that because 12 (if I counted right and 11 if you dont count outlaw since he doesnt play) of the top 20 players on horus are from syrtis. What Im trying to show is how much they farm.


I didn't say we only ever have 6 people at night, I was speaking about this one specific incident. Read a little closer next time and don't put words in my mouth.

Last word on this from me. I can see trying to get my point across is futile.

Wasnt referring to your post so since I didnt make that clear. Sorry. I was more referring to the people Ive talked to and some of the posts Ive seen before.

Klutu
05-18-2010, 07:55 PM
We'd be glad to fight players if the whole group of you would stop running in the fort everytime one person got hit with a 25 normal from our conj xD

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't the point of a fort battle to get your fort back from the enemy? Makes perfect sense to me that we'd focus on that. I swear I've seen other realms do the exact same thing as us.

we only back off when your locks cast Projection for obvious reasons :P

getting your fort back is the main point but you can't just expect to break the door and capture (unless you have the numbers) you need to slowly kill the enemy off then work on the door or your just not gonna get anywhere

Llayne
05-18-2010, 08:56 PM
I did not make this thread because of one incident. This seems to be your go-to tactic much of the time and it makes me think: 'wtf do we fight for hours against a zerg for everyday?'

veluchami
05-18-2010, 09:19 PM
I did not make this thread because of one incident. This seems to be your go-to tactic much of the time and it makes me think: 'wtf do we fight for hours against a zerg for everyday?'

I wonder why you posted it now. Its been Syrtis tactic to take empty forts atleast in Horus for atleast the 2 years I've played here.

On the other hand I consistently see Alsius and Ignis try to attack manned forts.

Gytha_Ogg
05-18-2010, 10:06 PM
...if you see a noob warju named "aasiora" (lvl 37) who's not fighting in the group (and who loves SM)

Let's talk.

Oh, wait, Staff Mastery? nvm.

On the other hand I consistently see Alsius and Ignis try to attack manned forts.

Sometimes we (Alsius) take empty forts as well. We hope somebody's gonna come and fight us. (Usually they do.) I usually avoid farms - not through any nobility on my part, I just don't get there fast enough.

"RP farm at Meni! :)"
is usually quickly followed by
"Uh, oh, here they come."
"We need help at Meni FAST!"
"Rgrp Aggs for WAR!!!"

But if I come to a fort and find it so packed that the line to the bathroom goes around the ramparts twice, I might decide it's better to take an empty fort and at least get a few NPCs on our side.

What can we DO about it?

1. Nothing - NGD has to fix it.
2. Whine about it on the forum (my personal favorite ;))
3. Don't level a fort unless you NEED to. Also, it does no good to wait until somebody levels and then say "Aww, who leveled?" (yeah, I've done that). Before heading to the fort, say "Don't level until we know what we're up against."
4. If you're up against a zerg, consider leaving. If you're up against 4-1 odds and they're in a level 4 fort, back off, see if they come out to play. Or let them sit there while the loos back up, and go pick a fight with the other guys.
I'm not saying to wimp out of tough, uphill battles, just the impossible ones. They'll get bored eventually and either leave, or come find you, and maybe give you a good open-field fight.
5. If you're IN a zerg, consider leaving. Try to rally a group to split off and meet the enemy outside, branch off a few hunting groups, or go pick a fight with the other guys.
6. Whine about it on the forums. (still a fave!)

So, reasonable? Stupid? Reasonably stupid?

It's a game, it's supposed to be fun. If you're not having fun, try something else.

veluchami
05-18-2010, 10:53 PM
Let's talk.

Oh, wait, Staff Mastery? nvm.



Sometimes we (Alsius) take empty forts as well. We hope somebody's gonna come and fight us. (Usually they do.) I usually avoid farms - not through any nobility on my part, I just don't get there fast enough.

"RP farm at Meni! :)"
is usually quickly followed by
"Uh, oh, here they come."
"We need help at Meni FAST!"
"Rgrp Aggs for WAR!!!"

But if I come to a fort and find it so packed that the line to the bathroom goes around the ramparts twice, I might decide it's better to take an empty fort and at least get a few NPCs on our side.

What can we DO about it?

1. Nothing - NGD has to fix it.
2. Whine about it on the forum (my personal favorite ;))
3. Don't level a fort unless you NEED to. Also, it does no good to wait until somebody levels and then say "Aww, who leveled?" (yeah, I've done that). Before heading to the fort, say "Don't level until we know what we're up against."
4. If you're up against a zerg, consider leaving. If you're up against 4-1 odds and they're in a level 4 fort, back off, see if they come out to play. Or let them sit there while the loos back up, and go pick a fight with the other guys.
I'm not saying to wimp out of tough, uphill battles, just the impossible ones. They'll get bored eventually and either leave, or come find you, and maybe give you a good open-field fight.
5. If you're IN a zerg, consider leaving. Try to rally a group to split off and meet the enemy outside, branch off a few hunting groups, or go pick a fight with the other guys.
6. Whine about it on the forums. (still a fave!)

So, reasonable? Stupid? Reasonably stupid?

It's a game, it's supposed to be fun. If you're not having fun, try something else.

My lament is not even about farming. I mean I would do the same (have done it), given a chance. But I move to the next opportunity to kill if I think i dont get to kill enough people to justify the time I spend farming.

But the lameness with the syrtis zerg comes from the fact that about 20 people just sit inside the fort doing nothing (maybe chatting?) another 10-15 stand out side at varying distances from the fort. So we try hard to gather the locks and take detour and terror the group at the front, kill them only to be jumped by similar numbers from inside the fort. I bet there are people who sit at the farmed fort for like 2-3 hours, scoring maybe like 10 rp. Not to mention, the plethora of mages whose whole purpose in life is to spam mana comm and pylon for the rest of the zerg.

When I see such a group, it just disgusts me, i dont even see them as individual players, more like those zombies, fit to be napalmed from the sky. No matter how many of those you kill just more rise from the dead and come towards you till you are tired and give up. There is absolutely no point fighting those. It gets so disgusting that I log out.

I dont blame the zerg in Syrtis. The zerg simply must attach itself to them like leeches and follow them whereever they go, cause it cant think of its own. But to the better players who dont wanna do this, atleast try to take manned forts. If we go camp shaana then well and good, its an opportunity for you to fight against equal odds and show some of your fighting skills. If you dont get action there, try invading.

The population that I am addressing now is probably non-existent or just blinded by their wanton greed for rp. Either way, Syrtis, you are lame !

</rant>

Warthog
05-18-2010, 11:28 PM
Yawn. Same lame ass arguments repeated hundreds of times here. Every realm takes the easy road whether they wanna believe it about there realm or not on Horus. Last nights example, we had some decent fights though not exactly even 5 ignus vs 7 syrtis. Ignis regrouped and brought 5 5 3 on track. Syrtis regrouped at herb then tried to find more players through chat, clan and PM to even odds some to make it still a fun fight. Ignis instead of wanting a fight as the OP claims went to kill NPCs at alga. Just to be pricks in return (good for the goose good for the gander type of thing) we decided to ignore alga and went and took samal with our little group which was 6 now. Two wrongs by no means make a right, but get off your damn high horses that everything is syrtis' fault and that syrtis are to blame why horus is boring as hell. And this type of thing is not a oh it just happened this one night thing, 9 times out of 10 in this type situation ignis either go to take empty alga or empty efe. An nothing we can do about it when we either have no hunters on to track or none who are speaking so we can no what is going on.

Same thing goes with alsius, many times you are at PP, those of us willing to try to organize a party to fight back use herb as a good grouping point in case you decide to come there in the time while we gain numbers to have a decent fight and instead of coming there next thing is Alga is under attack.

Minorian
05-18-2010, 11:45 PM
Yawn. Same lame ass arguments repeated hundreds of times here. Every realm takes the easy road whether they wanna believe it about there realm or not on Horus. Last nights example, we had some decent fights though not exactly even 5 ignus vs 7 syrtis. Ignis regrouped and brought 5 5 3 on track. Syrtis regrouped at herb then tried to find more players through chat, clan and PM to even odds some to make it still a fun fight. Ignis instead of wanting a fight as the OP claims went to kill NPCs at alga. Just to be pricks in return (good for the goose good for the gander type of thing) we decided to ignore alga and went and took samal with our little group which was 6 now. Two wrongs by no means make a right, but get off your damn high horses that everything is syrtis' fault and that syrtis are to blame why horus is boring as hell. And this type of thing is not a oh it just happened this one night thing, 9 times out of 10 in this type situation ignis either go to take empty alga or empty efe. An nothing we can do about it when we either have no hunters on to track or none who are speaking so we can no what is going on.

Same thing goes with alsius, many times you are at PP, those of us willing to try to organize a party to fight back use herb as a good grouping point in case you decide to come there in the time while we gain numbers to have a decent fight and instead of coming there next thing is Alga is under attack.

No ones not blaming ignis and alsius, its just syrtis does it as almost a constant, and ignis/alsius do it much, much less. Syrtis has the zerg in basically all hours, as the night crew has significantly improved while ignis has fallen flat on its face.

So, yes we are at fault too, but your fault is much, MUCH bigger.

Froste
05-19-2010, 12:31 AM
Everyone should keep in mind that it's easier to defend a fort than it is to take it. If the number of people inside a fort equal or outnumber the attacking force they will have no problems wiping the floor with the attackers barring extreme stupidity.

That said, if you are holed up inside a fort when an attacking force of equal or smaller number comes -- and we're talking small to medium sized groups -- do consider regrouping outside to have a proper fight, instead of having the guards cut people in half while the attackers desperately try to do what they can.

Not aimed at anyone in particular, just my hopes for the future.

Minorian
05-19-2010, 12:56 AM
Not aimed at anyone in particular, just my hopes for the future.

*cough*GELFS!*cough*

Gytha_Ogg
05-19-2010, 01:09 AM
*cough*GELFS!*cough*

/me casts Robitussin(5) on N.M.I. :angel1:

jbhero
05-19-2010, 02:06 AM
It's amazing how no one talks about when Syrtis actually are less or equal to the opposing force and still fight and attempt/take manned forts and such...and it reminds me of once a thief story. It cannot be helped and won't change. Syrtis has been typecast as a zerg and that will be like that forever. When Syrtis takes a fort, 9/10 times it is automatically assumed they are 25-30. And no one can be blamed but the population and the introduction of the realms to the new player and of course the disparity in the timezones. We can argue endlessly over and over on this and make hundreds of threads, but nothing will change.

Only NGD can take strides (as has been said many times before) to improve and make all 3 realms equally attractive to the new players, a start which could be of a better story in my honest opinion, stop with Syrtis being the good boy and Ignis his evil brother (I have no idea how Alsius fits in there.xD) Give all 3 realms equal importance with each having their good and bad elements and so forth. At any rate they are the better judge.

@ontopic, I say what all say, all realms do it, all realms have done it, all will continue to do it. I have stopped judging the game and the people, and find whatever fun I can have, when I can have. No point in expecting anything, all play their own game.

Llayne
05-19-2010, 03:35 AM
Some of you have pointed out that we took alg when you were at herb and you have a valid point so I regret that your realm is called out in the title. I hope that the bitchfest is past in this thread and we can move to the more constructive side of things.

I hope that every realm will first try to get their fort back before resorting to lame tactics. Try a few times, spam realm chat, then do as you will if this fails.

I would be happy if we always just played ping ping between the three main forts and I think that horus would be much more fun were this the case. If lose at herb, we can expect syrtis at samal with possibly a bridge fight in between. Syrtis loses at samal and we'll head to herb.... ect...

Running around for hours capturing empty forts faster than the other realm is simply not my idea of fun and I don't think it is yours either. Personally, I would be happier losing fight after fight rather than doing this.

Malik2
05-19-2010, 04:25 AM
I'll have some cheesy with my whiney.

What I find amusing is the idea that Syrtis is coordinated enough to think that if one realm takes one fort, Syrtis immedately thinks to itself, "let's take this empty one over there" and 5 minutes later it happens.

But, if you played in syrtis, you know that the group that took the fort had been waiting somewhere around pb or Stone for someone to pull up his pants or re-set or come from some far off location for the previouls 15 minutes with the idea of going somehwere, but never leaving. And when they finally left 1/4 of them stayed because they were afk.

Generally people don't stand around pp as casually as that has proven more hazardous.

Additionally, whan I am on the night crew, more infrequently these days, I refuse to be farmed and I refuse to play the game Ignis (or even alsius for that matter) wants me to play, If you want to fight me it is on my terms, I will not be forced to play on yours.

e30G
05-19-2010, 05:14 AM
Actually, some of the things said here regarding Syrtis is true. As a Syrtitian, I have observed many of this things. However, it is unfair to call out our realm on this since I see other realms do these things often as well.

It seems like the general player base is afraid to lose/die right now, hence they usually take the easiest way out. This manifests as the general preference to take an empty fort as opposed to one that is guarded, players grinding mostly inside the realm, players avoiding confrontation to retake their own forts and the general use of tactics in forts geared to maximize the advantages given by forts to farm players. It's human nature I guess. Everyone likes to win.

To people that say that we aren't out there to find a good fight because we use the fort to our advantage, maybe you are right. However, everyone does it as well. IMO if it's a good fight in the open field you want, then bridges are better areas to do this than forts.

leadfoot
05-19-2010, 05:26 AM
And this is what Ignis means by "fighting for forts"....(was just an hour back)

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4474/41133968.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/5281/48566806.jpg
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/7702/48864692.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1426/51872935.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/5797/13751214.jpg

And if you want names, Efrendi, Wes The Accurate, Hadit(Choronzon), I Hate Sand (Van), Aeshma, Iudicium(Smurv), Bosshogg, Grunge (Herumor), Fiasco, Abed, master xxx, Luina, Shanalay, and a whole shitload of other locks, archers and mages.

Please Ignis take your hippie bullshit someplace else.

Wield_II
05-19-2010, 05:39 AM
And this is what Ignis means by "fighting for forts"....(was just an hour back)

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4474/41133968.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/5281/48566806.jpg
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/7702/48864692.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1426/51872935.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/5797/13751214.jpg

And if you want names, Efrendi, Wes The Accurate, Hadit(Choronzon), I Hate Sand (Van), Aeshma, Iudicium(Smurv), Bosshogg, Grunge (Herumor), Fiasco, Abed, master xxx, Luina, Shanalay, and a whole shitload of other locks, archers and mages.

Please Ignis take your hippie bullshit someplace else.

Thats what happends when syrtis doesnt show up at forts.
Cant blame us for taking a look at the save.

leadfoot
05-19-2010, 05:41 AM
Thats what happends when syrtis doesnt show up at forts.
Cant blame us for taking a look at the save.
Right and sitting there killing the low-mid level players again and again instead of allowing them to come try the fort. As said, someplace else.

VandaMan
05-19-2010, 05:59 AM
And this is what Ignis means by "fighting for forts"....(was just an hour back)

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4474/41133968.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/5281/48566806.jpg
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/7702/48864692.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1426/51872935.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/5797/13751214.jpg

And if you want names, Efrendi, Wes The Accurate, Hadit(Choronzon), I Hate Sand (Van), Aeshma, Iudicium(Smurv), Bosshogg, Grunge (Herumor), Fiasco, Abed, master xxx, Luina, Shanalay, and a whole shitload of other locks, archers and mages.

Please Ignis take your hippie bullshit someplace else.

Nice screenies. The reason we were there is because nobody showed up to fight for herb, as usual, so we went looking for a fight. You didn't have enough to attempt the fort, but you had about 10 just sitting around at the save? If they would've stopped dancing and fought we probably would've died there, and you'd get your fort back... instead I just got bored and logged.

leadfoot
05-19-2010, 06:06 AM
Nice screenies. The reason we were there is because nobody showed up to fight for herb, as usual, so we went looking for a fight. You didn't have enough to attempt the fort, but you had about 10 just sitting around at the save? If they would've stopped dancing and fought we probably would've died there, and you'd get your fort back... instead I just got bored and logged.

AFAIR, no one was dancing, we just stood helpless at the altar after being repeatedly killed for the nth time. And to be honest, I didn't pay much attention to what was happening behind me, as I was busy taking screenies, so if they were dancing as well, what more could they do. Not enough to take all ignis and fort and not allowed to go beyond our save to try the fort.

VandaMan
05-19-2010, 06:23 AM
AFAIR, no one was dancing, we just stood helpless at the altar after being repeatedly killed for the nth time. And to be honest, I didn't pay much attention to what was happening behind me, as I was busy taking screenies, so if they were dancing as well, what more could they do. Not enough to take all ignis and fort and not allowed to go beyond our save to try the fort.

What do you mean not enough to take all of the ignis and the fort? I see no fort in your screenies... it clearly wasn't being used. And there is nothing stopping you from going around the ignis to try the fort. Regardless, from the screenies I'm assuming you agree with the OP, since the topic is about syrtis refusing to fight for their forts?

leadfoot
05-19-2010, 06:28 AM
What do you mean not enough to take all of the ignis and the fort? I see no fort in your screenies... it clearly wasn't being used. And there is nothing stopping you from going around the ignis to try the fort. Regardless, from the screenies I'm assuming you agree with the OP, since the topic is about syrtis refusing to fight for their forts?
I mean, not enough to kill all the ignis camping us there and then go to fort. Going around you and hitting the door? LOL. Within secs, ignis would run to fort, kill us there and come back again. And no, I don't agree with the OP. We will fight for the forts if we were allowed, which in this case scenario, clearly isn't so.

UmarilsStillHere
05-19-2010, 06:32 AM
To lazy to comment/read on this thread past page 2 since its pointless, but I have to comment on this:


First of all @ Scias what are you talking about most the time you take samal you dont even have that much? Ive been with syrtis when they take samal and Ive fought against them when they take samal and I can guarantee you that (besides your off time, if yall even have one anymore) you have at least 15 players zerging samal each time you take it. In fact you have so many players taking samal most the time that, when the fort is lvl 4, someone can die (with the door up) and not even make it back in time to help the GC. And this is even with a Hunter with mobil 5 and passive 4.


After reading this thread yesterday I decided to take this screenshot when we were taking samal to prove a point.
This was in peak playing hours:

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/6961/screenshot2010051819570.jpg (http://img514.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2010051819570.jpg/)

Dont know where your getting 'at least 15' from but this looks like 7 to me. Just because Syrtis has a super zerg a few hours a day, dosnt mean we have it 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

VandaMan
05-19-2010, 06:35 AM
We will fight for the forts if we were allowed, which in this case scenario, clearly isn't so.

You were allowed... we came toward the save because nobody showed up at the fort to fight. Apparently you missed it, but that was the original point of this thread - Syrtis happily zergs all day long, and then when outnumbered at night they dance at the save, run away to empty forts, or log on lvl 1 characters and run around taking screenies so they can spew shit all over the forums. Can't say I completely share the opinion of the OP, but it seems you're demonstrating his point unintentionally, so I though I'd let you know.

ncvr
05-19-2010, 06:53 AM
And this is what Ignis means by "fighting for forts"....(was just an hour back)

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4474/41133968.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/5281/48566806.jpg
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/7702/48864692.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1426/51872935.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/5797/13751214.jpg

And if you want names, Efrendi, Wes The Accurate, Hadit(Choronzon), I Hate Sand (Van), Aeshma, Iudicium(Smurv), Bosshogg, Grunge (Herumor), Fiasco, Abed, master xxx, Luina, Shanalay, and a whole shitload of other locks, archers and mages.

Please Ignis take your hippie bullshit someplace else.
I just wanted to point out that Ignis is doing you a favour by not hanging around their fort and farming you...unlike what Syrtis usually does. As for your names list, you named 13 people. There are 15 Ignis visible on that screenshot and judging by the armour, 3 or 4 of them are under lvl 40. What happened to the "whole shitload of others"?

You and all the other people trying to defend Syrtis' actions are beginning to grow tiresome. Maybe you're in the night crew or you don't hang around with the rest of the zerg, but Syrtis is made by the zerg. It's "defined" by the zerg. If you dislike the zerg as a Syrtian, there's no need to defend it, or get offended if we point out the fact that they're a group of annoying assholes, because you're not part of it, right?

Also, I find it amusing that you made a new account just to post on this thread, and you blocked out your character on the screenshot (who is obviously an archer).

Anyriand
05-19-2010, 09:41 PM
Heh, I can't believe I didn't agree with the OP to begin with. After what has been happening today, it just comes to prove how Syrtis loves an empty fort. Ofc there is always exceptions, so if you don't consider yourself part of the empty-fort-taking party pls don't be ofended by this comment :P

But...really?? Last night a group of around 8 of us (maybe 10, but not more) went on to take Herb. A few greens showed up after we took it, can't say there were lots of them at first, maybe 5 or so, and we were "farming" them for about 20 mins when we realised no one else was going to show up, so we decided to move on to Samal in hopes of having an actual fight. When we're half way to PB we get the following message: "Herbred fort is under attack", so we turn back, only to get there and see a zerg banging on the door.
It's not the first time this happens, so tell me, what are you all doing when we take one of your forts? Grinding and waiting for us to get bored to death and leave so you can go take it? At least give us the fight we deserve, that's what people want when they take a fort. And it's what we(Alsius) do when you take one of ours, even when outnumbered 2-1, or when you take empty Trelle and farm there for hours.

edit: the zerg i mention was about 15 ppl, which might not be a zerg for most ppl's standards, but it is for someone who has the hardest time to get 6 ppl together to go take a fort. Even if you don't consider that a zerg, it is definitely enough to fight for a fort being defended by 8 people. It only took Syrtis 10 mins to get Herbred back.

blood-raven
05-19-2010, 09:51 PM
about meni, i <3 meni ether way samal is camped or not, i had a lot of uber great fights there, when ignis is attacking us an suddenly alsius comes and you see a every realm vs every realm battle before you, i just <3 it, when i ask to go to meni it's not that i don't want a good fight on the contrary, i secretly hope alsius jumps in and we have great fights.

so if someone asks to go meni, don't stfo him, maybe he wants an uber fight:p

regards

edit: I HATE EMPTY FORTS! i mean whats the point? i logged off just because there was no battle at all, everybody just wants to get forts to get that quest done, its very boring, then what else can we do? hunt? yeah great running into fort f*ckers, great hunt, seriously guys, this quest made regnum down right boring.

you know how mutch i love it when ignis takes efe? i adore it! great battles, last time i was there syrtis even worked together, and i did the thinking! (hoeray, can't believe how happy i was, great fight, thx again for all ignis and syrtis guys there, epic battle, beat that zerg!).
you know, i always wanted to battle at the realm gate, you know epic battle before the walls, wauw, must be a fight of your life, but sadly when ignis invaded i was'nt on:(, cmon ingis, do it again, but make sure i'm online:p

btw, i always loved defensive fights, i think i made that clear:p

Acknor
05-20-2010, 03:18 AM
Okay, I just had to post once more here. It struck me funny that two days after this thread starts, a quest about fort taking comes and the empty fort taking becomes an epidemic. I went looking for fights tonight instead of taking empty forts like everyone else and you know what? I actually found players to fight.

Just remember - you don't HAVE to take empty forts for the quest, it's just more efficient to do it that way. Did I mention I hate efficiency?

Froste
05-20-2010, 06:32 AM
It struck me funny that two days after this thread starts, a quest about fort taking comes and the empty fort taking becomes an epidemic.

Truly ironic. Personally I think it's all a conspiracy against Ignis, so that finally the other realms can say "Look, Ignis takes empty forts too!" (;

Warthog
05-20-2010, 06:46 AM
Truly ironic. Personally I think it's all a conspiracy against Ignis, so that finally the other realms can say "Look, Ignis takes empty forts too!" (;


Personally I know for fact if I wanted to I could pretty much start a new whine thread everyday giving an example in it of each of the three realms on Horus doing such things that day. What would be the point though? So, someone does something you didn't want them to do instead of what you wanted to have fun....whining on forum about it is not gonna change it. Find something else to do in game to have fun or else this game is not for you (Not directing this directly at you froste but generically).

The only time I comment on these things is when everyone goes out of there way to try to act as if Syrtis is the only realm who does such things when this is by no means whatsoever the case. So I feel it is necessary to point this out each time one of these whining posts gets started.

Edit : Fixed since I forgot to change to new line for a new line of thought not directly relating to the quote. Which yes I do understand was probably said more to be a joke then actuall belief. Better for you Van?

VandaMan
05-20-2010, 06:50 AM
[...] the other realms [...][...]The only time I comment on these things is when everyone goes out of there way to try to act as if Syrtis is the only realm who does such things [...]

..........?

veluchami
05-20-2010, 06:56 AM
..........?

"A guilty conscience needs no accuser" Lol !

Angel_de_Combate
05-20-2010, 07:05 AM
Just remember - you don't HAVE to take empty forts for the quest, it's just more efficient to do it that way.

Ah but on horus most of the time the forts are empty. :(

Did I mention I hate efficiency?

Nowt wrong with efficiency, it's just freaking boring :cuac:

Llayne
05-20-2010, 09:33 AM
I was hoping this thread would be more constructive. Accuse me of whining all you will but if by starting this thread I don't spend hours of my life running to empty fort after empty fort then it will have been worthwhile.

and yes, nice anniversary event ngd... :rale:

Arafails
05-20-2010, 11:05 AM
When I read about those rosettes I assumed that it would depend on having had to go to some effort to take a fort. Which was, of course, silly.