animals dying

[Pizdzius]

http://www.todaysthv.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=137071&provider=top

watch the video, too

I don't know what's happening, is it "haarp", or just some magnetic field changes, or some other anomalies, 40.000 crabs washed on the shore, millions of ONE type of fish on the shore, thousands of birds falling from the sky and dropping dead, all over the world, China, Sweden, Australia, Italy, USA, England.

I wonder what could it be, I won't believe they'll blame it on Gulf Spill or another weird flu. That'd be crap :P What do you guys think? Pure curiosity. And I worry about little birds.

[Miraculix]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51TRnovHkzL.jpg

[WhateverUSMC]

From what I read on the news, the stuff with the birds falling from the sky had to do with high-altitude hail, apparently a fairly common phenomena. Strange that this seems to be happening all at once, though, so soon after the FSM touched our servers with His noodly appendage. :fsm:

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8499/bird7.jpg

[FlyingDeadBirdie]

If it was magnetic field changes, the birds might be falling from the sky, but then scientists would know. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to find magnetic field changes. And high altitude hail sounds reasonable. Just wondering how huge numbers of birds an sealife are dying all over the world. If it WAS magnetic field changing, the birds might lose their sense of
direction and maybe die from exhaustion. An underwater earthquake or hotspot coul have killed the sea animals. Wasn't there a tsunami hitting the pacific but not on any piece of land?

[Arafails]

Sorry, my bad. Shouldn't have had that last burrito, or the three thousand before it.

[Pizdzius]

If it was magnetic field changes, the birds might be falling from the sky, but then scientists would know. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to find magnetic field changes. And high altitude hail sounds reasonable. Just wondering how huge numbers of birds an sealife are dying all over the world. If it WAS magnetic field changing, the birds might lose their sense of
direction and maybe die from exhaustion. An underwater earthquake or hotspot coul have killed the sea animals. Wasn't there a tsunami hitting the pacific but not on any piece of land?

yeah but it's just one type of a fish, all others are fine, so the underwater earthquake seems unlikely.
Also, the birds are falling from the sky in all over the world, in places there is no hail, some are witnessed just to collide in the mid air and drop dead. Did you see the radar visuals? Hail doesn't act this way, it moves with clouds. Looks to me like some kind of magnetic discharge, including the fact Australian bats just started dying and falling, and they DO use magnetic fields to navigate.

There's a huge gap in physics we don't understand yet. We don't know every force in the universe and there are some rare emissions we can't investigate because they're unpredictable. ie, we don't know what made http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_anomaly this. etc. Some electric/magnetic anomalies could explain Zone of Silence in Mexico, the Bermuda and Dragon Triangle.
Seems like birds mass deaths occur from time to time, but this time the scale is world-wide, at the same time, and includes crabs and fish.
I don't think it's a disease :P and Oil Spill, well, would just affect nearest places, but it was also kind of... digested by bacteria.

[Darcyeti]

I have no idea for what reasons all this animals die, but it reminds me on two things (you might call it "jokes") I red for some time.

1. Two planets meet, the first asks: What happend to you? You look aweful.
second: I have homo sapiens.
first: Oh, don't worry, I had them too. That passes by.

2. If a dog got fleas, he jumps in deep water and after it, he shakes to get rid of them. What is mankind for a planet other than fleas for a dog?

Might be reasonable, that mankind is messing with to many things on that planet without understanding enough.

Just a thought.

[Pizdzius]

I have no idea for what reasons all this animals die, but it reminds me on two things (you might call it "jokes") I red for some time.

1. Two planets meet, the first asks: What happend to you? You look aweful.
second: I have homo sapiens.
first: Oh, don't worry, I had them too. That passes by.

2. If a dog got fleas, he jumps in deep water and after it, he shakes to get rid of them. What is mankind for a planet other than fleas for a dog?

Might be reasonable, that mankind is messing with to many things on that planet without understanding enough.

Just a thought.

To be honest that doesn't sound like any reasonable explanation, more like philosophy xD

[Darcyeti]

I can't explain things, witch I don't understand myself. So you are right, it's more philosophy than explaination. But as a mater of fact, it still could be true :wink: Don't you think so?

[Pizdzius]

I can't explain things, witch I don't understand myself. So you are right, it's more philosophy than explaination. But as a mater of fact, it still could be true :wink: Don't you think so?

But what exactly? That two planets meet and talk? I don't exactly understand what you said there :P You were talking about humans, not animals

[Darcyeti]

I guess you didn't see the comparement. Dieing animals may be the first step. Mankind does so much harm to our planet, that in some time (who knows how long) the planet will "strike back". I don't think, our planet will be harmed irreparable, but I'm not sure if mankind will be as lucky as that. Those animals may be the first sign, that the "point of no return" is near. But that's just a very pessimistic way of looking into the future.

But you know, someone who things in a pessimistic way can only be suprised positivly.

[Pizdzius]

I guess you didn't see the comparement. Dieing animals may be the first step. Mankind does so much harm to our planet, that in some time (who knows how long) the planet will "strike back". I don't think, our planet will be harmed irreparable, but I'm not sure if mankind will be as lucky as that. Those animals may be the first sign, that the "point of no return" is near. But that's just a very pessimistic way of looking into the future.

But you know, someone who things in a pessimistic way can only be suprised positivly.

How can a planet strike back? It's just a massive object with gravity, inner and outer core, a tasty crust on which we live on, I don't get how a planet can strike back :P

First step to what? Mass human deaths? Wouldn't that be the case for thousands of years already? And don't we do that to ourselves, without "planet" help? :P

We don't harm our planet at all, I don't see where are you getting at :P
Those mass deaths have nothing to do with "us". From what I see you have no idea that Canada is being devastated by overgrowing forests. "Climate change" is nothing right now, in late Medieval times, Greenland was GREEN. That's where it got its name. You could've actually grow lemons there. A bit later there was this mini Ice Age when Baltic was so frozen you could actually travel from Poland to Sweden on horse, with multiple little villages in the middle, with inns ran by Jews who got quite rich on that.

So yeah, I don't think it's us.

[w_larsen]

well, i can assure you, that we arent experiencing more magnetic effects, than usualy, when suns activity picks up. there wasnt any major geomagnetic storms at 31rd or 1st. (data: haarp magnetometer, but there are privately operated ones, if you don't trust government facility)

the magnetic storm theory fails to explain, why carrington flare didnt wipe out birds as we know it, as geomagnetic storms effects were very pronounced at time

by the way differnt layers of atmosphere can move differently. i have observerd clouds in different attitudes moving in opposite directions, so i assume that high attitude hail cloud could just stay in one spot.

How can a planet strike back? It's just a massive object with gravity, inner and outer core, a tasty crust on which we live on, I don't get how a planet can strike back :P

a manner of speech, i assume. ecosystem on earth is part of the planet. ilnesses and stuff like that is known to be natural regulating mechanism for population control.

[Cuchulainn]

Here (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&vps=1&jsv=304e&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=214033381917754770249.00049914669207a782c3e) is a comprehensive map which lists mass animal deaths. Wow a lot mass deaths of animals :eek24:

Those mass deaths have nothing to do with "us".

scientific explanations can not give us a reasonable explanation yet, right? So we don't know it yet...
That we are the biggest threat for any other species on the planet is a fact.

[Pizdzius]

That we are the biggest threat for any other species on the planet is a fact.

Oh that, yes! But, according to chronicles, mass deaths of animals occured in 17th and 18th century as well, so I doubt it's us. ;)

[DemonMonger]

http://www.todaysthv.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=137071&provider=top

watch the video, too

I don't know what's happening, is it "haarp", or just some magnetic field changes, or some other anomalies, 40.000 crabs washed on the shore, millions of ONE type of fish on the shore, thousands of birds falling from the sky and dropping dead, all over the world, China, Sweden, Australia, Italy, USA, England.

I wonder what could it be, I won't believe they'll blame it on Gulf Spill or another weird flu. That'd be crap :P What do you guys think? Pure curiosity. And I worry about little birds.

hey piz,

Glad to hear you know about harp

I posted a link with several informative videos on this matter in the Inn enjoy!
http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showthread.php?t=71175

It's not harp or the birds would be cooked.
It's not another flu.
It's not from the gulf spill.
It's not from any disease in the birds brains.
It's not hail..

Hope this link can clear up what you see in your link on radar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk - just watch

[Kyrottimus]

Looking at the mid-Atlantic rift zone, 4 major continental plates, The American Plates on the West, and the European/African plates on the east, are spreading slowly, up to a few inches a year.

With this, we have sort of a calender looking at the basalt (igneous rock layer) at the sea floor. In this basalt, there are solidified iron particles that rose with the magma/lava and cooled with magnetic orientation (usually north) in the rock, showing that ever 500,000-600,000 years or so, our magnetic poles (the positive/negative ends) switch completely.

There is a period between where there is magnetic chaos, and could be multiple "dancing" poles around the planet until our poles stabilize. If our planet has a weak or chaotic, malformed magnetosphere, we can receive upwards of 10 times the stellar/solar radiation upon the surface. This time-line of ~600,000 years or so coincides with approximate periods of mass-extinctions, and also fits nicely between a few of the last ice-ages.

There is much conjecture that the sun's magnetic field (which has its own 11 year cycle and a more significant 600,000 year magnetic cycle) will reach its end sometime within the next ten years.

In the end, there are more missing puzzle pieces than complete ones. But yeah, many migratory birds use our magnetic field to navigate...if it's weakening, it could cause acute shock in their sensitive brains which might account for their mass deaths.

As for the fish? No clue.

[Pizdzius]

DM, that's just a little bit too much ;]
I was just wondering if it's the physics force we don't know yet or maybe you guys have some answers already, but eh I don't even have time to watch all this ufo thing. Well if WE were to visit another planet, there would be NO sense in killing millions of creatures living there, specially the ones like crabs or fish, or birds :P not to mention intelligent life

I may or may not believe in aliens, that's my business and I won't go around forums telling what I think about disclosures or stuff like that. I don't think UFO has anything to do with it.

and I bet in 2013 everyone will be like "yeah right 2012 doomsday fail, boring year we still don't have jetpacks" like we are now, after people screamed so much about planet X appearing in 2010 and also the Rapture in November last year :P

Also: I can't watch most videos, DM. They're blocked in Poland ;]

[Pizdzius]

In the end, there are more missing puzzle pieces than complete ones. But yeah, many migratory birds use our magnetic field to navigate...if it's weakening, it could cause acute shock in their sensitive brains which might account for their mass deaths.

As for the fish? No clue.

I do agree about some what you said, but the magnetic field change won't really stop protecting us from sun wind and radiation, it will just be very chaotic and bouncy, like it was eons ago.
Birds use their sensors in beaks to migrate, but half of those birds aren't migrating ones, they don't use magnetic field to navigate. And I really do believe the magnetic field is changing constantly, always, but few degrees a year tops.

[DemonMonger]

DM, that's just a little bit too much ;]
I was just wondering if it's the physics force we don't know yet or maybe you guys have some answers already, but eh I don't even have time to watch all this ufo thing. Well if WE were to visit another planet, there would be NO sense in killing millions of creatures living there, specially the ones like crabs or fish, or birds :P not to mention intelligent life

I may or may not believe in aliens, that's my business and I won't go around forums telling what I think about disclosures or stuff like that. I don't think UFO has anything to do with it.

and I bet in 2013 everyone will be like "yeah right 2012 doomsday fail, boring year we still don't have jetpacks" like we are now, after people screamed so much about planet X appearing in 2010 and also the Rapture in November last year :P

Also: I can't watch most videos, DM. They're blocked in Poland ;]
:) just putting out possible answers :wink:
and no 2012 is not the end of everything.....
I would never ask you to take my links as true 100% ... I just ask that if you have time watch and consider... the possible options

[DemonMonger]

DM, that's just a little bit too much ;]
I was just wondering if it's the physics force we don't know yet or maybe you guys have some answers already, but eh I don't even have time to watch all this ufo thing. Well if WE were to visit another planet, there would be NO sense in killing millions of creatures living there, specially the ones like crabs or fish, or birds :P not to mention intelligent life

I may or may not believe in aliens, that's my business and I won't go around forums telling what I think about disclosures or stuff like that. I don't think UFO has anything to do with it.

and I bet in 2013 everyone will be like "yeah right 2012 doomsday fail, boring year we still don't have jetpacks" like we are now, after people screamed so much about planet X appearing in 2010 and also the Rapture in November last year :P

Also: I can't watch most videos, DM. They're blocked in Poland ;]
:) just putting out possible answers :wink:
and no 2012 is not the end of everything.....
I would never ask you to take my links as true 100% ... I just ask that if you have time watch and consider... the possible options... you can always try hulu.com
or i can download the videos and send them to you :wiggle14:

[Kyrottimus]

I do agree about some what you said, but the magnetic field change won't really stop protecting us from sun wind and radiation, it will just be very chaotic and bouncy, like it was eons ago.
Birds use their sensors in beaks to migrate, but half of those birds aren't migrating ones, they don't use magnetic field to navigate. And I really do believe the magnetic field is changing constantly, always, but few degrees a year tops.

There is the theory of "dancing poles" where our magnetic field is so chaotic that we have more than 2 poles, (some say upwards of 7+ mingled polarity poles that shift around the planet, with auroras all over and can be seen from the equator to the arctic).

While hard to pinpoint exactly what will happen, if we have gaping holes in our magnetosphere, the consequences will be profound, if only from a technological standpoint (get your faraday cages ready!).

But what if this coincided with a CME from the sun? It could literally cook creatures from the inside out (as seen from the liquified internals of some of the dead birds).

Though the circumstances would have to be right, it would probably not be so wide-spread and I think www.spaceweather.com would have plenty of reports regarding solar activity at this time.

Could it be HAARP? Now that would not surprise me.

EDIT: If the official cause of death is "blunt force trauma" could the birds perhaps have been disoriented to the point of not knowing up from down? And basically crashing into everything because their internal radar in their brain were fried? So a bunch of kamikazee birds and fish (animals which use the magnetic field in conjuction with the inner ear [birds] and bio-sonar [fish]) caused by a sudden but violent shift in our earth's polarity? Or did something else short out their navigation?

It doesn't seem like the birds just "fell dead" from the sky, as most witnesses were saying that the bird were flying INTO things like buildings and cars, and only died once they ran into something at full speed (hence the "death by blunt-force-trauma"). Some were supposedly flying straight down into the earth too.

As for the fish, no clue there but some species of fish are so sensitive to their environments, the slightest shift in any one variables (but occurring rapidly) could be the cause.

[DemonMonger]

There is the theory of "dancing poles" where our magnetic field is so chaotic that we have more than 2 poles, (some say upwards of 7+ mingled polarity poles that shift around the planet, with auroras all over and can be seen from the equator to the arctic).

While hard to pinpoint exactly what will happen, if we have gaping holes in our magnetosphere, the consequences will be profound, if only from a technological standpoint (get your faraday cages ready!).

But what if this coincided with a CME from the sun? It could literally cook creatures from the inside out (as seen from the liquified internals of some of the dead birds).

Though the circumstances would have to be right, it would probably not be so wide-spread and I think www.spaceweather.com would have plenty of reports regarding solar activity at this time.

Could it be HAARP? Now that would not surprise me.

Our earths magnetosphere is getting weaker due to our pole shift, and yes if we get hit with a CME from the sun (which we will) <sighs> ... 2012, (2015) - 2025 good luck

[VandaMan]

Ridiculous theories. It's obviously magic.

[Anyriand]

I do agree about some what you said, but the magnetic field change won't really stop protecting us from sun wind and radiation, it will just be very chaotic and bouncy, like it was eons ago.
Birds use their sensors in beaks to migrate, but half of those birds aren't migrating ones, they don't use magnetic field to navigate. And I really do believe the magnetic field is changing constantly, always, but few degrees a year tops.

It takes thousands of years for the earth's magnetic field to fully reverse which supposedly would be enough time for species that do use the magnetic field to navigate to adapt to the changing magnetic environment and develop different ways of navigating.

As far as a weakening magnetic field to be enough to cause extinction, even though there might be people who think both reversals and mass extinction are related, there's no scientific proof to support that theory, and in fact, mass extinction periods in the past don't seem to be related at all with magnetic reversals.
Also, even though a reversal in the earth's magnetic field could theoretically cause some species to die, it would not explain the death of those fish and birds we've seen lately.

There is no time table that would even allow us to know if a reversal is bound to happen in the near future or not, as the reversals in the past seem to have been completely random, some even with a period of time superior to 40M years between them.

[Pizdzius]

There is the theory of "dancing poles" where our magnetic field is so chaotic that we have more than 2 poles, (some say upwards of 7+ mingled polarity poles that shift around the planet, with auroras all over and can be seen from the equator to the arctic).

Yeah I heard about that one too, with one being in Zona de silencio


But what if this coincided with a CME from the sun? It could literally cook creatures from the inside out (as seen from the liquified internals of some of the dead birds).

Hardly possible, because Jupiter protects us from sun as well, without it there'd be hardly any life on Earth.


Could it be HAARP? Now that would not surprise me.

I did think about it making some electric discharges reflecting in the atmosphere and pointing in few places, but then after the world-wide spread of mass deaths, I kinda ruled it out

EDIT: If the official cause of death is "blunt force trauma" could the birds perhaps have been disoriented to the point of not knowing up from down? And basically crashing into everything because their internal radar in their brain were fried? So a bunch of kamikazee birds and fish (animals which use the magnetic field in conjuction with the inner ear and bio-sonar [fish]) caused by a sudden but violent shift in our earth's polarity? Or did something else short out their navigation?

[B]Most fish from what I know use ocean currents, sun and moon positions for navigations, but the bottom ones, that washed up the shore, could be using magnetic guidance.

It doesn't seem like the birds just "fell dead" from the sky, as most witnesses were saying that the bird were flying INTO things like buildings and cars, and only died once they ran into something at full speed (hence the "death by blunt-force-trauma"). Some were supposedly flying straight down into the earth too.

Yes, most of the birds hit stuff, but some of them just dropped from trees, after hanging on them like bats. That's disturbing and imho doesn't have much to do with any polar shifts :|


And now...

It takes thousands of years for the earth's magnetic field to fully reverse which supposedly would be enough time for species that do use the magnetic field to navigate to adapt to the changing magnetic environment and develop different ways of navigating.

That's a theory. We don't know how it works. There are more theories which I believe more.

As far as a weakening magnetic field to be enough to cause extinction, even though there might be people who think both reversals and mass extinction are related, there's no scientific proof to support that theory, and in fact, mass extinction periods in the past don't seem to be related at all with magnetic reversals.
Also, even though a reversal in the earth's magnetic field could theoretically cause some species to die, it would not explain the death of those fish and birds we've seen lately.

That's true, that's why I am asking about people's thoughts, I included magnetic field shifts as one of possible causes. It would make an impact on navigation on sea and satellites, and that doesn't seem to happen.

There is no time table that would even allow us to know if a reversal is bound to happen in the near future or not, as the reversals in the past seem to have been completely random, some even with a period of time superior to 40M years between them.

I personally don't think reversal would have much impact on us. I do think there are some laws in physics, some.. emmissions that happen and we can't explain them yet, just like the fact why there's more matter than antimatter, why Saturn's rotations are connected with gas rotations, how black holes store information to make them shut on and off, how wormholes work, everything is basically unexplainable, but Tesla seemed to bite some little bit of the true laws of physics, perhaps some day we will experience more geniuses who will explain everything ;]

[Kyrottimus]

...Tesla seemed to bite some little bit of the true laws of physics, perhaps some day we will experience more geniuses who will explain everything ;]

We'll never know exactly how far Nikola Tesla got with his work--immediately after he died his small apartment was looted and all of his notes and documents disappeared.

Though, he was only the greatest genius ever to live (IMO).

As for the current situation, the birds dying on the perch is news to me, that is disturbing indeed.

[Pizdzius]

We'll never know exactly how far Nikola Tesla got with his work--immediately after he died his small apartment was looted and all of his notes and documents disappeared.

Though, he was only the greatest genius ever to live (IMO).


I agree so so so much.

[Kyrottimus]

Yeah, and I think only the U.S.Gov. (and pals) would know exactly what consisted of his whole works of genius as they were the ones who looted the fruits of his mind.

Back on topic, in 1811-1812, a series of huge earthquakes occurred along the New Madrid fault-line in the southern Mississippi river valley. A few days before, similar circumstances (regarding birds dropping dead and fish dying) occurred. The earthquakes were so powerful, they caused the Mississippi river to flow in reverse for awhile.

Perhaps, as the fault-line becomes active, it releases certain gases that indicator species (birds and fish) are extremely sensitive to. The fact that Beebe, AR is not far from the New Madrid faultline should make it a bit more interesting.

Now, since there are more animal die-offs going on worldwide, would this lead you to believe that this theory is wrong or that perhaps it's a world-wide geographical event, perhaps a tectonic rifting earthquake of biblical proportions? xD

If the fault-line released some kind of energy or gas that caused the mass die-off (as a preliminary indicator of a massive earthquake), that little blip on the radar could be the emission. Then again, it's pure speculation.

As for the magnetic theory, I firmly believe that Climate Shift of our planet has more to do with our Magnetic Field (or lack thereof), Oceanic Salts (and the ocean currents in general) as well as geo-thermic activity than mankind, but mankind certainly is not helping one bit. Our ocean has a direct link (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/06/090622-earths-core-dynamo_2.html) to our magnetic field.

[DemonMonger]

Yeah, and I think only the U.S.Gov. (and pals) would know exactly what consisted of his whole works of genius as they were the ones who looted the fruits of his mind.

Back on topic, in 1811-1812, a series of huge earthquakes occurred along the New Madrid fault-line in the southern Mississippi river valley. A few days before, similar circumstances (regarding birds dropping dead and fish dying) occurred. The earthquakes were so powerful, they caused the Mississippi river to flow in reverse for awhile.

Perhaps, as the fault-line becomes active, it releases certain gases that indicator species (birds and fish) are extremely sensitive to. The fact that Beebe, AR is not far from the New Madrid faultline should make it a bit more interesting.

Now, since there are more animal die-offs going on worldwide, would this lead you to believe that this theory is wrong or that perhaps it's a world-wide geographical event, perhaps a tectonic rifting earthquake of biblical proportions? xD

If the fault-line released some kind of energy or gas that caused the mass die-off (as a preliminary indicator of a massive earthquake), that little blip on the radar could be the emission. Then again, it's pure speculation.

As for the magnetic theory, I firmly believe that Climate Shift of our planet has more to do with our Magnetic Field (or lack thereof), Oceanic Salts (and the ocean currents in general) as well as geo-thermic activity than mankind, but mankind certainly is not helping one bit. Our ocean has a direct link (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/06/090622-earths-core-dynamo_2.html) to our magnetic field.

something similar also happened in africa...
there was an earthquake underground near a lake....
a large amount of gas entered the water and it turned blood red...
all the fish died and the frogs came on land.....
then the people that slept near the ground died from the gas as it swept across the land at night.

there is often a way to see and understand things through science.
then again... also there are some things that we still cannot expain.

[Pizdzius]

If the fault-line released some kind of energy or gas that caused the mass die-off (as a preliminary indicator of a massive earthquake), that little blip on the radar could be the emission. Then again, it's pure speculation.


That sounds like the most rational thing I've read today, thanks :D


DM: just PLEASE stop making so many dots <3 :D

[w_larsen]

could the birds perhaps have been disoriented to the point of not knowing up from down? And basically crashing into everything because their internal radar in their brain were fried? So a bunch of kamikazee birds and fish (animals which use the magnetic field in conjuction with the inner ear [birds] and bio-sonar [fish]) caused by a sudden but violent shift in our earth's polarity?

we have tools for measuring this. on the new years eve (as i understand time the action took place) magnetometers show nothing. even less than the puny geomagnetic storms we get recently.


But what if this coincided with a CME from the sun? It could literally cook creatures from the inside out (as seen from the liquified internals of some of the dead birds).

almost all magnetic disturbances happen because of solar wind hitting magnetosphere. and the birds survived carrington flare (estimated to be almost the largest flare sun can produce)

i wouldnt pursue the magnetic stuff theories, as evidence doesn't show it happening.

btw i have witnessed flock of confused birds hitting the building. 27 stunned 3 dead iirc. we concluded, that they got confused by suns reflection in windows (they just took off from tree and came straight into windows/wall)

[KKharzov]

Probably as a result of the climate change or disease. The latter could even come from the first point. It is hard at the moment to find a common reason for the death of marine life and avian creatures. Fish are much weaker and fragile to even the slightest of changes in their environment. Birds on the other hand usually die in masses like this and have similar behavior when there is a disease. At most, it's just an unfortunate coincidence that fish and birds died en masse.

Just saying this based upon how this has looked in the past.

[Arafails]

Well I can't really say much about the rest of it, but the Australian bat species that have been having problems are largely a result of flooding in Queensland and northern NSW. The weird migration pattern last spring, that was odd.

[Pizdzius]

we have tools for measuring this. on the new years eve (as i understand time the action took place) magnetometers show nothing. even less than the puny geomagnetic storms we get recently.


The point is, no. They're dying every day, more and more up to now.

I like this site : http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php

But. "This is an information only site offering no opinions, just the facts.
As recently as two days ago the global situation map had icons and summaries of all the "biological" hazards ie: mass die offs as well as environmental and other issues.
Sometime last night between the hours of midnight and six am the site was "sanitized" and all information and icons pertaining to the mass die offs was erased from the site. Since then the site has been updated and only a single bird icon remains where two days ago there were several, if you click that icon over Beebe Ark. and select details you will go to a page with a summary of the situation and any updates. The last update states "The mystery has been solved" and gives a paragraph of information that is no information at all. The birds were apparently startled by fireworks and since they have poor night vision they collided with houses, power lines and each other. If this is so why are we not cleaning up thousands of birds every July 5th? Where are the reports by residents of the birds hitting their homes? They don't exist because it didn't happen.
The main stream news has stopped all coverage, government agencies are stonewalling and now the final frontier, a website in Budapest has been breached. The question that remains, really the ONLY thing that remains is WHY?"

above text from a concerned hungarian site user. No wonder, that IS weird.

[Orimae]

Some very interesting points in this forum..but i believe its all the government, doing Genetic testing of some sort, funny how it was all over the news one day, then i haven't heard a single word about it since that day...

And not only did thousands of birds fall from the sky, but a shitload of fish died the same day too, over 100k in one river alone, the birds and fish, all the same species... but of course the government are all 'Oh its fireworks!! oh no wait, we mean hail, scratch that its a tornado ' .... how stupid do they think we are, trying to confuse us with a bunch of reasons, god forbid we find out they are testing chemical weapons!! (wouldnt look good for them, then maybe more people will start digging around and more people will find out about the chem trails they leave us in the sky... i really wish they would stop insulting our intelligence)

So all in all, i don't thinkit was tornados' tectonic plates causing waves of magnetic fields, all to convenient to get us thinking alone other lines, the government's (whichever one the incidents happened in ) , have done this, call me a conspiracy theory nut, but i am not the only one who thinks like this... these incidents also happen a few times a year in some places, like fish washing up on Lake Michigan in Chicago each year, but the trouble with this is the scale , the sheer number of animals that died, and why report it on so many major news channels when the other times it happens it goes completely unreported...


/me goes off to find her tinfoil hat... :huh:

[Pizdzius]

So all in all, i don't thinkit was tornados' tectonic plates causing waves of magnetic fields, all to convenient to get us thinking alone other lines, the government's (whichever one the incidents happened in ) , have done this, call me a conspiracy theory nut, but i am not the only one who thinks like this... these incidents also happen a few times a year in some places, like fish washing up on Lake Michigan in Chicago each year, but the trouble with this is the scale , the sheer number of animals that died, and why report it on so many major news channels when the other times it happens it goes completely unreported...


/me goes off to find her tinfoil hat... :huh:

That's a bit too much. They're not that awesome as most people think they are ;] chemical weapons are tested in a bit different way, there's absolutely no need to wipe out thousands of birds all over the world. US government can't test chemical weapons in Italy, China, Sweden etc.
It IS reported, but as a minor news. There are more important things to talk about right now like Iran plane crash or Jo Yeates death, Arizona shooting, and no wonder.

[Orimae]

They're not that awesome as most people think they are ;] chemical weapons are tested in a bit different way, there's absolutely no need to wipe out thousands of birds all over the world. US government can't test chemical weapons in Italy, China, Sweden etc.
It IS reported, but as a minor news. There are more important things to talk about right now like Iran plane crash or Jo Yeates death, Arizona shooting, and no wonder.

Google 'chemical trails' read it then watch the sky's... (aye im off on a rant again that makes me sound insane XD )


That's the point, the news is there to keep us busy so we don't delve too deep into what they are doing, and maybe the Governments from those countries you mentioned are all testing at the same time? .. one country gets guns, they all want guns, one country has metal boats and not wooden ones, they all want metal boats..one country gets nukes ...i think you get where im going with this...... the media is merley a tool to keep us entertained and blind to what is really happening around us, maybe i am wrong, and if i am i will hold my hands up and admit it, but still, our governments are up to way more things like this than they want us to know.. and what better to test it on but in animals? they can cover the deaths of a bunch of birds and fish, but if the same amount of humans were to suddenly go missing...

/me re-adjusts her tin foil hat...

oooo speaking of tin foil hats, this is a good site for this kinda stuff :D

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/

[blood-raven]

as for your solar flair theorie, i'll shoot it down right now.

the sun is currently in a low activity cicle, there are hardly any black spots or prominences, so there is no way the sun has anything to do with this.

what i think is happening is something sience knows for a long time that it's happening and that's a magneticfield shift, the south magnetic pole becomes the north magnetic pole, not mutch is known of this event exept that it happens every 2-1 milion years, so don't be afraid, humanity all'ready been trough one.

atm the magnetic field on the northern hemisphere is weaker then the one on the southern, so infact the earth is raizing shields for a solar blast that is prolly going to happen someday in time (they said when but i forgot :p).

anyway about the lower activity lvl of the sun, this is also very common.
and everytime we have this we have very cold winters as is happening now, be happy it's not the minimum they had in 1645-1715 the so called "maunder minimum" cause it's said to be a little ice age, check the paintings of rubens (flemish muhahahaha) to get an idea of the harsh winter then. and he lived when the activity only begun to drop.

regards (enough info? :p)

[Orimae]

as for your solar flair theorie, i'll shoot it down right now.

the sun is currently in a low activity cicle, there are hardly any black spots or prominences, so there is no way the sun has anything to do with this.

what i think is happening is something sience knows for a long time that it's happening and that's a magneticfield shift, the south magnetic pole becomes the north magnetic pole, not mutch is known of this event exept that it happens every 2-1 milion years, so don't be afraid, humanity all'ready been trough one.

atm the magnetic field on the northern hemisphere is weaker then the one on the southern, so infact the earth is raizing shields for a solar blast that is prolly going to happen someday in time (they said when but i forgot :p).

anyway about the lower activity lvl of the sun, this is also very common.
and everytime we have this we have very cold winters as is happening now, be happy it's not the minimum they had in 1645-1715 the so called "maunder minimum" cause it's said to be a little ice age, check the paintings of rubens (flemish muhahahaha) to get an idea of the harsh winter then. and he lived when the activity only begun to drop.

regards (enough info? :p)

aye, its definately nothing to do with the Magnetic Flip were going through right now

[blood-raven]

aye, its definately nothing to do with the Magnetic Flip were going through right now

idk but neither has it anything to do with the "governement" cause there is no way they can filter 1 fish specimen to die. (and i read harry potter xD)

[Orimae]

idk but neither has it anything to do with the "governement" cause there is no way they can filter 1 fish specimen to die. (and i read harry potter xD)


Like i said, maybe i am wrong, but maybe i am not, they can totaly test on one species, they are unlocking more and more about the DNA of creatures, its how they know certain types of monkeys are best to grow human organs in etc etc...

[Nils_Dacke]

thousands of birds falling from the sky and dropping dead, all over the world, China, Sweden, Australia, Italy, USA, England.


I don't know about the other cases, but regarding the incident in Sweden, a truck driver reported to have hit a pack of birds with his truck the night before. It has been a record-breaking long low temperature period with deep snow so birds and other wildlife is both starving and freezing and probably not very agile by now. Birds die en masse every harsh winter in Sweden.

[blood-raven]

in belgium a bird was spotted that supposed to live in the himalaya.

it was no captive one cause no ring was seen on it's legs.

[Arafails]

Magnetic pole inversion happens over the course of a million years or two. It's not something where you look at your watch and say "Next Tuesday at around time for second breakfast the north and south pole are going to switch places."
Blaming anything on that is akin to blaming Julian Assange's imprisonment for the lack of any substantial proof of Sasquatch.

Now if you want to look at something that changes quickly, take sea temperatures. Dramatic changes cause all sort of weather-related phenomena across the globe, such as oddities in rainfall patterns and air currents, the kinds of things that are liable to affect fish and birds. At least the southern oscillation index has been on a 20 year peak since mid 2010.

[Pizdzius]

Like i said, maybe i am wrong, but maybe i am not, they can totaly test on one species, they are unlocking more and more about the DNA of creatures, its how they know certain types of monkeys are best to grow human organs in etc etc...

You're somehow obsessed with government, perhaps you should try and take a run in politics and see how it really goes ;D It's not that deep, it's not that dark.
I know Abovetopsecret and 90% of contents is hysteria crap. ;]
Don't get manipulated by people who raise conspiracy theories in every damn matter, including time cube or Anglosaxon theory.


I do believe our world is really boring like it looks like. No ghosts, no god, no aliens, no nothing. We're separated from all other solar systems, we're in the far away end of our galaxy and there's no point to visit us, destroy us or kill fish or birds :P So I think it's all natural/physical.
US government doesn't rule whole world, believe me. China and Russia own USA anyway because of buying out the debt they owe one by one ;P In a matter of months China will tell USA how to manage their economy ;] funny, ain't it?

Monkeys don't grow human organs, mouse do. Mouse is organically closer to us than a monkey, which is quite funny. It's very important for us to test human cell growth, since we don't have enough transplantations or stem cells to save lives.

Orimae, I think you got quite too deep into this thought. There's NEVER been a single year in human history without a war. Guns will always be a desireable resource, and if any country will use nukes right now, they already know it's going to end bad for them, so they're just for a show, to prove they're equal in power and don't have to feel threatened. For example, Poland has nothing to say, we don't even have new jets and our military pilots in arms are less than 200 people. Now compared to USA or Russia, we stand no chance in anything and we have no voice, we can just wave hands at USA to remove Visa cards for 10 years, but nothing happens anyway. But China or Israel, now they do have nukes. And their voice will always matter. ;] that's how the world turns.


The birds dying as you can see, ain't a chemical test. They're hitting stuff, they're confused, same with fish it seems, but nothing else in area is affected. If a chemical was exposed, every little organism in area would suffer, one way or another. There is no chemical that would work like that and affect only ONE species of animal.


And I never said the magnetic shift is changing in a matter of two days, Araf :P I basically agreed with you, stating the few degrees a year theory.

[blood-raven]

wow piz, i'll take my hat off for you if i had one.

but mice are not closer to man then monkeys, it's because the global opinion loves monkeys and don't give a rat's ass (get it? xD) about mice or rat's.

it's a truth though that mice and rats are close to us in therms of organic design and stuff.

[Syd_Vicious]

If you check out Cuchulain's link (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&vps=1&jsv=304e&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=214033381917754770249.00049914669207a782c3e) you can read that a lot of those Google map markers have updates that either point to: pollution, extreme weather or direct human intervention as the cause. A good number of the links that are not updated are due to only 1 person being an eye witness in areas that are typically populated. Some of them I will admit do not have answers yet that seem to have credible sources. I prefer to see this as like an environmental game of clue.

I submit this for your review xD : link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110107/ap_on_sc/us_sci_dead_wildlife_fact_check)

The ones that have been solved, at least for the US, can be found here: link (http://www.nwhc.usgs.gov/mortality_events/ongoing.jsp)

I would personally of rather had 3 overlays: one with everything, one with explained items and the other with items still left unexplained; but containing more than one source for credibility.

Also to stoke the conspiracy theorists it is entirely possible to single out a particular species for termination, though difficult. The only thing required is to identify the particular weakness of a species within environmental or genetic norms. The problem with this as a conspiracy theory is that it takes time (except for species of extremely low tolerances) and the species identified for termination can not have enough similarities to other wildlife in the area (so they are unaffected).

If you want to see a reverse engineering of this idea and applied for a positive outcome rather than a negative outcome you can watch a documentary called "Nova: Dogs Decoded" where viruses are used to implant healthy genes into a specific breed of dog that has had its genome decoded. The virus "infects" the host through direct contact and as it replicates it replaces a defective sight gene with the good gene, curing blindness in the dog (http://cmbi.bjmu.edu.cn/news/0104/141.htm) (partial sight restored for older afflicted dogs, possible total cure for puppies). Just think the opposite where a virus is introduced into the food chain that only targets one species particular genes and turns off their ability to perform any number of necessary life sustaining functions.

On a side note: the other reasons that mice are used to grow organs, more so than monkeys, is that they are cheap and can't fling their crap as far.

[Pizdzius]

Also to stoke the conspiracy theorists it is entirely possible to single out a particular species for termination, though difficult. The only thing required is to identify the particular weakness of a species within environmental or genetic norms. The problem with this as a conspiracy theory is that it takes time (except for species of extremely low tolerances) and the species identified for termination can not have enough similarities to other wildlife in the area (so they are unaffected).

It would be incredibly hard (time-consuming, money-eating) to lock on dozens of species this way, not only birds, but crabs, fish etc, all over the world, just to make sure it works. Kinda too much ;D

About dogs: It's focused on a bigger animal to test if it would work on humans as well. Did you hear about soviet tests that were based on keeping a severed dog head alive? And, damn, it was alive. Perhaps it could be used to mass-kill animals in wild-life (kind of.. dumb idea) but .. crabs? :P what for? It doesn't make sense to me this way.

About mice: .. lol.


I did mention the mass deaths occur since 17th century (at least our records do tell us so, it might've been forever but nobody bothered to write it down), but this time it's just incredibly condensed in time, and all over the world. It might be a coincidence, true! But so incredible, we all wonder if this is something big. :D

btw: looks terrible no matter what it is.
http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ac59eed211a2.jpg

[DemonMonger]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20027655-503543.html?tag=latest

[Pizdzius]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20027655-503543.html?tag=latest

Yes, I mentioned crabs two times already :P
Climate Change, right.

[DemonMonger]

Yes, I mentioned crabs two times already :P
Climate Change, right.

i don't think the climate change would do it...
look at the conditions those crabs and other crabs live at...
sub arctic temperatures don't kill them.....
this link shows a map of all the mass deaths...

[Pizdzius]

i don't think the climate change would do it...
look at the conditions those crabs and other crabs live at...
sub arctic temperatures don't kill them.....
this link shows a map of all the mass deaths...

I said "right" like in a sarcastic way. :P stop with the ellipsis dots. PLEASE
They have their own meaning in grammar and you're totally ruining it.

[Miraculix]

I said "right" like in a sarcastic way. :P stop with the ellipsis dots. PLEASE
They have their own meaning in grammar and you're totally ruining it.

Hm...
I... am not sure... what the problem... seems to be...
Maybe... the dots... are being abused... ?

YEEEAAAAAAAHHHH

[DemonMonger]

I said "right" like in a sarcastic way. :P stop with the ellipsis dots. PLEASE
They have their own meaning in grammar and you're totally ruining it.

i was saying i agree with what you are saying..... and considering that crabs can be found in sub arctic waters.

[Pizdzius]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12158718 I just found this, very interesting, and mayhaps having something to do with all this?

[Dalkor]

well guys, I LIVE IN ONE OF THOSE CITIES O_O

It is named Faenza in Italy...
Doves started dying in a radious of 150m from a flour factory....

more than 1000 died in a few hours O_O

WWF started some exams on those birds but no answers yet, they only think it is an acute poisoning from toxic substances...

[Pizdzius]

It might be, as they eat any possible seed/swallow little rocks, if there was some chemistry poisoning, it can be not related to anything bizzare. (phew!)
Pidgeons (doves) never fly far of the place they were born, it's about 1km. So it shouldn't spread much more.

[FlyingDeadBirdie]

I talked with my friends about it, and one of them said some people are speculating on a new force on the weight of light or something like that. Just saying.

[Pizdzius]

http://www.wsaw.com/news/headlines/Dead_Cows_Found_in_Portage_County_113634654.html?r ef=654

200 cows died overnight.

[Arafails]

Portage county? It was probably aliens.

[Gabburtjuh]

http://imgur.com/Twr6x

[Shiriki]

Dude, this is startling. I just the entire species did not become extinct!

[Pizdzius]

"Twenty-four pilot whales have died on a remote beach in the far north of New Zealand, the Department of Conservation was quoted as saying on Friday by press reports. Fourteen of the whales were already dead when the group was found scattered over 150 metres of rocks, mud and mangrove early Friday in Parengarenga Harbour, 15 kilometres south of North Cape. "

whales, now? shieet.

[dip1stick]

I found this page detailing animal die off's world wide
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=201817256339889828327.0004991bca25af104a22b

[Arafails]

The pilot whales are probably related to this generation having been used to freakishly cold ocean currents for their entire lifespans, but recently they've warmed up around there (causing the floods in Australia and possibly contributing to those in Brazil). The whales were probably interpreting the warmer Pacific currents as being too close to land and headed for the colder water coming off the Tasman sea, which brought them too close to New Zealand.

Also I find the media's surprise at the Barramundi dying in the Queensland floods amusing. Anyone who knows anything about the species will realise they would have gone for their tree root safehavens, got caught, and the water will have been moving too fast for them to breathe properly, and they'llve drowned (and a little of getting clobbered too, but mostly drowning).

[Truewar]

50 elves died dancing at CS last night o_O
http://s014.radikal.ru/i327/1101/6d/3b544a146a41.jpg

If serious...

We are closer and closer to Era change. In fact it is a simple moving of our planet in Space. I mean not only moving around Sun but moving with whole Galaxy in Universe.

In each Era (part of universe) our planet pass through couple of types of waves, fields and energy streams. All of them effect on everything on the Earth. It is the law and it is a life.

Everything in this life has it own role in Universe. Every subclass like birds, dogs, humans etc. has also group role... It is similar to alive organism. Everyone is like a cell, but group of cells form a skin or heart or liver... or сanser...

If those animals died it means they don't need anymore for their old role. And yes, Humanity did a tremendous impact on this.

But... that is just beginning!

[Pnarpa]

Wikipedia:

"According to scientists, massive die offs of animals are not unusual in nature and happen for a variety of reasons including bad weather, disease outbreaks and poisonings,[14] with pollution and climate change adding to the stresses on wildlife.[15] The U.S. Geological Service's website listed about 90 mass deaths of birds and other wildlife from June through December 12.[16] For instance, Louisiana's State Wildlife Veterinarian Jim LaCour has stated that there have been 16 similar mass blackbird deaths in the past 30 years.[17] On the other hand, according to Italy's WWF president Giorgio Tramonti, similar mass death events such as these have never happened before the year 2010."

The only reason why we (as in you and I) notice it now is because of the media attention it's getting.

[Greyman_tle]

....

I'm with you on this one, i've personally seen 1 bird, 1 fish, and 2 crab mass deaths in the past 30 years in the UK...and for the fish+crab I was only living on the coast for 6 years(20 years ago)..Its always happened, nothing new. Its just the media trying to scare or distract the public, that makes it seem more than it is....if they spent the same amount of time + effort reporting the extintion of at least 1 species a day due to humans deforesting/poluting the planet.....but that would interfere with global capitalism so thats not gonna happen.