1.7.6 is the end of my regnum experience

[DemonMonger]

It's been fun. :ignis::syrtis::alsius:

(hangs up his bow and arrows on the wall)

This update is not for me.

(Releases pet into the wild) :werewolf:

I will return once things are more stable perhaps.

[Lucky_Luke]

I'm sad when I see that more and more players are leaving Horus, game...

[_Seinvan]

I'm sorry you can't use Horn of the Wind and War Banners by yourself anymore :facepalm3:

Have fun wit da real world.

[UmarilsStillHere]

Find it odd that you choose now to finally give up, but with the game as it is I don't blame you, lost count of how many updates its been since NGD actually did something that improved gameplay.

[clings]

Find it odd that you choose now to finally give up, but with the game as it is I don't blame you, lost count of how many updates its been since NGD actually did something that improved gameplay.

so true... can't say more, then have fun with whatever else you spend your time with now, mate :)


- rami

[surak]

Oh well.

I really can't understand why people start leaving before trying the new stuff on real game conditions.

[TheMessenger]

Oh well.

I really can't understand why people start leaving before trying the new stuff on real game conditions.

I somewhat agree.

I feel bad for you that every day there is a new thread of bitching as if the last 20 weren't enough. Some people need to just chill because updates don't happen everday and won't happen as soon as everybody asks for it, which they seem to think.

[clings]

I somewhat agree.

I feel bad for you that every day there is a new thread of bitching as if the last 20 weren't enough. Some people need to just chill because updates don't happen everday and won't happen as soon as everybody asks for it, which they seem to think.

some people saw a lot of updates and stayed tuned and tried it out a long time.
i'm one of those. came back so often ...

[Psynocide]

The main reason I'm against the update is because it makes the warmaster skill tree redundant.
Half of the warmasters I know do not think it worth sacrificing the other skill trees just for a nerfed speed boost, beacons and teleports with an hour CD - and we will be promptly de-skilling the warmaster tree come the new update.

That and hotw is/(was) a dream come true for me - ever since we knights lost spring :(.

[trulyem]

Oh well.

I really can't understand why people start leaving before trying the new stuff on real game conditions.

I really can't understand why NGD can't make a good update at all.

Almost 4-5 years now, it keeps getting worse and loosing the older players as well.

[DemonMonger]

Oh well.
Would love to see, "sad to see any player leave due to an update"
Instead it's, "Oh well does not matter"

I really can't understand why people start leaving before trying the new stuff on real game conditions.
Most of us that have been through countless combat situations since 2007 can instantly imagine how comabt will happen with the smallest adjustments to the gameplay. Example: we told you what would happen when straffe was introduced. I for one predict first, then test for hours. If I am wrong I will be the first to let everyone know.

I will be back to see 1.7.7

May Regnum have many long years to come!

[Gabburtjuh]

I acctually can't feel bad, as you're pretty much the most fact ignoring person I saw on this forum about realm balance etc....

[Seher]

Oh well.

I really can't understand why people start leaving before trying the new stuff on real game conditions.

The gameplay was broken before, and he was still playing only because of obviously overpowered spells that made him Chuck Norris. No reason to play left now that they will most likely get nerfed :P

Seriously, you have to prioritize balance more. Two balance updates per year is just bullshit. We need one at least every two months, monthly ups would be better.

[Truewar]

Oh well.

I really can't understand why people start leaving before trying the new stuff on real game conditions.

Surak, they leave not because of new stuff. They leave because they don't see some critical fixes in changelogs.

It is not a secret that position bug should be fixed and RO needs new balance update after new level cap.

[romero_snyder]

OMG he cant use beacons and horn alone? :(

Poor DMC

[Miraculix]

Yeah, let's all make fun of DMC because he is quitting, it's totally not about you guys being pissed cause he has killed you over and over, no.

You have all been making the same complaints that DMC has made about the game, but now you find the chance to mock him about it? Why, because he killed you when you were grinding or something? Nice, real class people. QQ more.

I'd be pretty bummed out too, working all the way to become a WM and the only thing that you can do is give only to others the "power" of being a WM. You get almost nothing for yourself, you have to "beg" other WMs to feel what it is like being a powerful WM, which you are supposed to have become.

With this system I don't even know why anyone would bother becoming a WM, they can just leech off the power from others. And vice versa, if someone is a WM, why even skill the tree, they're not getting any benefit. Just use the points elsewhere and leech from other WMs that want to play the good samaritan.

I understand completely why he wants to leave, so many other things that should have been addressed by now and we get this ridiculous update instead. Every time, NGD says "don't whine, try it out first". So far this has almost never changed our opinion about an update - 90% of the time, when the community (at least the people that can form a proper english sentence) said an update is bad, it ended up being bad even after months of playing it.

Bye bye DMC.

[Zas_]

Oh well.

Part of the problem, you don't mind old players leaving...


I really can't understand why people start leaving before trying the new stuff on real game conditions.

Another part of the problem, you don't understand some are just bored of the same "Try it before complaining" at each (bad) update.
Frankly, you change game rules too much, and still don't fix serious bugs.

I don't think people leave only due to a single nerf or the like, but because of a cumulative load of unsolved issues (bugs, realms imbalance, classes imbalance, unanswered tickets, accounts on investigation for weeks, bad or insufficient communication) and, obviously, personal schedule (children, girl, work, studies, ...).

But i guess this is pretty useless to write it.


Since one year, i saw so many good old players leave.... ie. Horus Syrtis is a ghost of a realm atm.

[Minorian]

Why are people bitching about this update?

We asked for Warmaster nerfs, NGD delivered, now everyone is whining like any 5 year old would do. Sure, I might be able to think of slightly better ways to nerf the powers, but my ways would also involve significant amounts of new coding.

Theyre delivering what we asked for, but oh no, we must QQ more.

[platyna]

Oh well.

I really can't understand why people start leaving before trying the new stuff on real game conditions.

People are trying the new stuff and they don't like it, or it is buggy, they post multiple threads, some have higher and some lower temperature, but almost all are ignored, no matter what arguments they contain.

If you want to read a honest input, people are leaving because we join the game and we stay there because we like it, and then you change everything we liked and get used to, into things we don't like.

E. g. I left playing not only because my studies but also because that game tries to be like a and, what was worse, look more like WoW clone just with the difference of poor performance and lots of bugs (while the performance and lack of bugs are most important in a war game, without economy or non fighting skills), bad realm implementation, not to mention bad approach towards women.

Also nerfing is not the way of balance things, and I kept repeating it since years, not that I am much an expert but I developed a few RPG systems.

About Warmasters - we had it coming, some may find my posts on forums where I said "play with warmasters until you can, because now they are OP, yes, but soon they will be nerfed to death and rendered useless" - It is the same chain reaction since several years, it not fixes anything, and just causes disappointment and complaints from the community.

I was (I am?) a great fan of this game, I have put money in it in hope it will help to make things better. It seemed to be a great effort to create another RPG for Linux, that has nice graphics (it really didn't needed to be comparable to WoW to get fans).

Have fun Demon Monger and good luck.

Regards.

[Minorian]

WoW clone

As someone that plays WoW, RIFT, and Regnum rather consistently, I suggest you relook into what WoW clones are. RIFT is a WoW clone, it is close to identical, all they have thats new are the random RIFTs opening and fucking everyone.

Regnum is nothing like a WoW clone. WoW focuses on PvE, Regnum more PvP/RvR. WoW PvP focuses on battlegrounds, separate instances you have to wait in a 5 minute que for, whereas RO its real world RvR, you just log on and start the stuff up. I could go on.

This is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever heard. The only similarity I can draw is that Regnum increased the lvl cap and added some shiny new armor.

[platyna]

I said, tries to be a WoW clone, and I did not entirely meant a game play, but rather technical development.

Regards.

[bois]

Good luck DMC in your future endeavours.

I will keep playing. more or less.

To my mind Warmasters was a risk that NGD took. They took a different angle and tried to 'surprise' players. Built hype around it. However, this community and general player base is a tough crowd. Many play the game for specific reasons. Reasons that made it a cult classic.

NGD needs a solid Beta Team that volunteers and operates to iron out deficiencies if they want to drop surprise updates. Warmasters was not the best implementation. NGD has to admit that. They can also chose not admit it.
They had to address these deficiencies because it was breaking the game even further. Would I have preferred they scrap WM update and raise level cap with a few lvl 6 spells or some new ones ? Sure.
But they delivered this and if I want to play I have to work with it (I do ).

I think they are addressing the WM issues and sadly they must do this quickly before things go further out of hand.

I do agree with Seher though. It is painfully obvious that this game needs to go through at least 4 solid rounds of back to back balance updates that involve patches on Amun, community input and a review of some great ideas put forward in the suggestions box. It will be a slow process and possibly painstaking but it is for the benefit of the game going forward.

Review base attributes and how they impact the game
Review CC
Review the impact of range and melee speed vs range
Review the incrementation of spells between level 1 -5
Review the damage calculations , the impact of dots, normals and armour
Review the balance between the bonus/malus of strong spells.

The game needs it, desperately.

Regards

[Seher]

Or in a nutshell: Prioritize balance. Monthly balance updates.

Part of the problem, you don't mind old players leaving...

That's very unfair and just pointless bitching.

Why are people bitching about this update?

We asked for Warmaster nerfs, NGD delivered, now everyone is whining like any 5 year old would do.

Yes that's true. I think I haven't said it so far, so I'll make up for this now: I appreciate the Warmaster powers nerf. The nerf just looks a bit like completely disabling that stuff without losing face (as for the teleports), but it's still way better than what we've got now.

[Zas_]

That's very unfair and just pointless bitching.


This is the truth.

[DemonMonger]

Or in a nutshell: Prioritize balance. Monthly balance updates.



That's very unfair and just pointless bitching.



Yes that's true. I think I haven't said it so far, so I'll make up for this now: I appreciate the Warmaster powers nerf. The nerf just looks a bit like completely disabling that stuff without losing face (as for the teleports), but it's still way better than what we've got now.

*Looks at your words in horror*
(ignores all things spoken by anyone that thinks any game needs monthly balance updates/radical changes)
That kills the game.....

[Seher]

Obvious problems will get fixed, sooner or later. The sooner, the less frustrating!

Radical changes will come no matter what, so one day you'll be frustrated anyway, I just want them to come faster. Plus NGD seems to manage to break more stuff between those updates with just 2 per year (new stuff, like warmasters) than they can fix at this rate. Trust me, more balance updates are not frustrating, especially not long term.

[Aries202]

I'll see you when you get a better Computer DM. ;)

[Dupa_z_Zasady]

Oh well.

I really can't understand why people start leaving before trying the new stuff on real game conditions.

Yeah, i see You, as in "NGD", can't understand this and many other things.

[Leadoffhitter]

On topic:

Good luck and have fun in whatever you try.

Off topic (?)

I understand WM players not being happy about the nerf, but there must be players who are/were NOT WM and have been farmed over and over. Not sure because I got tired of it and I wasn't playing as much as before, but I think some players (don't have data about it) were leaving because of OP WMs. I could be wrong, don't get mad if I am.

I prefer anyway these kind of reactions better than some players on the spanish side of the forum bitching about team mates and stating the problem in regnum is how ppl plays it. Some responsibility is needed too from the other side. ;)

On topic again:

I still wish the best for players and developers of this game and it includes, of course, Demon! :smile:

[Topogigio_BR]

Good luck DMC in your future endeavours.

I will keep playing. more or less.

To my mind Warmasters was a risk that NGD took. They took a different angle and tried to 'surprise' players. Built hype around it. However, this community and general player base is a tough crowd. Many play the game for specific reasons. Reasons that made it a cult classic.

NGD needs a solid Beta Team that volunteers and operates to iron out deficiencies if they want to drop surprise updates. Warmasters was not the best implementation. NGD has to admit that. They can also chose not admit it.
They had to address these deficiencies because it was breaking the game even further. Would I have preferred they scrap WM update and raise level cap with a few lvl 6 spells or some new ones ? Sure.
But they delivered this and if I want to play I have to work with it (I do ).

I think they are addressing the WM issues and sadly they must do this quickly before things go further out of hand.

I do agree with Seher though. It is painfully obvious that this game needs to go through at least 4 solid rounds of back to back balance updates that involve patches on Amun, community input and a review of some great ideas put forward in the suggestions box. It will be a slow process and possibly painstaking but it is for the benefit of the game going forward.

Review base attributes and how they impact the game
Review CC
Review the impact of range and melee speed vs range
Review the incrementation of spells between level 1 -5
Review the damage calculations , the impact of dots, normals and armour
Review the balance between the bonus/malus of strong spells.

The game needs it, desperately.

Regards

Why not focusing in classes considered to be balanced like knights and conjus and review all other from that classes point of view?

[tarashunter]

Uh uh uh.....DMC,you were able to make an NGD developer reply to a thread!!!!
Really really congrats for this!

This mean you touch their heart(wallet?) with your unhappy decision of leaving the game till next update.
----Sarcastic mode off------

No comments on the others users reply,i'm agree with most of them about problems in the game.

Bye bye DMC,i wish all the best for you in real.

[Pakos]

Oh well.

I really can't understand why people start leaving before trying the new stuff on real game conditions.

I have to agree, thats stupid. Update isn't even out and you already post your quit thread :eek24:

[asterisk]

Oh well.

I really can't understand why people start leaving before trying the new stuff on real game conditions.

Except tweets and facebook post this is long time i see someone from NGD pay attention to the forums and comment, no hard feelings but from all the rage/disappointment/bug posts on forum you have chosen to answer this and say what?

[bois]

Why not focusing in classes considered to be balanced like knights and conjus and review all other from that classes point of view?

Because if you attack the symptoms and not the root you will have to address the root at sometime. This will cause further frustrations.

The last balance update was a great one. It was not finished but it dealt with things like CS ,AS freebie spells and root issues that would hurt the game going forward. While we can look at the classes themselves it may actually solve a lot of problems in one swoop if the conceptual ones are looked at simultaneously.
Shared trees , it is an issue. CC durations are an issue, The way base attributes affect class development should be made public at least and a looked at again. There may be no issues there but at least make sure all is well. Hit chance and the way it relates to block/evade/miss certainly needs a review.
Imagine balancing classes without addressing these , only to realise later you must touch them and break balance again to make these foundation issues right. I rather feel the pain now and know it is behind me rather that take a balance pill that never cures the disease.

[DemonMonger]

I have to agree, thats stupid. Update isn't even out and you already post your quit thread :eek24:

Just so you know.

We (a team of syrtis and ignis) tested the update on amun and invaded alsius.
We (a team of syrtis and ignis) found that marksmen with mounts will now be the godly class of the game.
We (a team of syrtis and ignis) tested everything and posted our results
That result was locked but can still be found here http://www.regnumonlinegame.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78676
This is the result of many hours of testing (something that many of you refuse to do)
Don't judge me until you put in the time and effort that "We" have.

I'm not stupid and like most humans I can look ahead into the future with the given facts and see that this update is hellish.

[uncreative]

horus will not win more players will only lose some players arrive at lvl 50 and quit because of so much exp you need to get lvl 60

DMC bye and good luck

[tjanex]

I have to agree, thats stupid. Update isn't even out and you already post your quit thread :eek24:

There has been so many failing updates in a row now... And they don't care about listening to us like they open a discussion about the new update and we complain as hell and what do they do? Nothing!

http://lh6.ggpht.com/SergioAlex76/SO-K5wwn60I/AAAAAAAAALE/r_v6rn0Jfeg/fail-man-woman%255B2%255D.jpg

http://www.homepagedaily.com/uploads/20090822/7ddaef4a-869d-40ba-86e6-5fac261b1335/fail_01.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_2VEaTPMR9yw/Sdke8gIutxI/AAAAAAAAASQ/DZMCY6INOeU/un_soldier_fail2.jpg

[Pakos]

There has been so many failing updates in a row now... And they don't care about listening to us like they open a discussion about the new update and we complain as hell and what do they do? Nothing!

http://lh6.ggpht.com/SergioAlex76/SO-K5wwn60I/AAAAAAAAALE/r_v6rn0Jfeg/fail-man-woman%255B2%255D.jpg

http://www.homepagedaily.com/uploads/20090822/7ddaef4a-869d-40ba-86e6-5fac261b1335/fail_01.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_2VEaTPMR9yw/Sdke8gIutxI/AAAAAAAAASQ/DZMCY6INOeU/un_soldier_fail2.jpg

and

Just so you know.

We (a team of syrtis and ignis) tested the update on amun and invaded alsius.
We (a team of syrtis and ignis) found that marksmen with mounts will now be the godly class of the game.
We (a team of syrtis and ignis) tested everything and posted our results
That result was locked but can still be found here http://www.regnumonlinegame.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78676
This is the result of many hours of testing (something that many of you refuse to do)
Don't judge me until you put in the time and effort that "We" have.

I'm not stupid and like most humans I can look ahead into the future with the given facts and see that this update is hellish.


Don't get my prev post wrong, disscussion about current updates are ok, important but not quitting before public release. They have chance to change some things before release or lil bit after like they usually do :P

And of course thats a bit more complicated, game cannot satisfy everyone but should as more as it can.

Maybe it sounds a bit like defending ngd which isn't my idea, but surak post which i quoted was completely true for me right now. Lets see whats gonna happen and how final changelog will look. :)

Ekhm sounds like my fail now, didnt see that update is availaible:dumbofme:

[tjanex]

We made complaints about this update, but I guess NGD doesn't care about the English speaking forums, more likely they care more about Ra... They fail.
Seems Ngd isn't the only one that fails! Look at this at my reputation list: ''they con't care at all you stupid fuck.'' I would almost believe this is someone from NGD itself xD