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Zas_
12-03-2011, 04:55 PM
Ok enough is enough, i will now screenshot and report every one i see hidden in walls or any forbidden place, this is cheating.

Ignis barbs, i already reported 2 of you, and i will continue.

I guess many players do the same (from all realms), but you beat them all.

:rale:

NGD: it is time to fix those issues, already there since too long time.

Tigerious
12-03-2011, 05:41 PM
Why not just put their names here?

_Emin_
12-03-2011, 05:46 PM
Why not just put their names here?


No you can't,

It's against the rules and how can we know you're right or not? Would you like if someone is claiming you're cheating, but you aren't and it's just a visual bug?

You can't argue about this.

Psynocide
12-03-2011, 05:48 PM
No you can't,

It's against the rules and how can we know you're right or not? Would you like if someone is claiming you're cheating, but you aren't and it's just a visual bug?

You can't argue about this.

Because he's Tiger - do not argue this.

71175
12-03-2011, 05:51 PM
Because he's Tiger - do not argue this.

Made my day... truth is always hilarious.
P. S. this reminds me of my realmmate who accused Enio in hitting from 70 range (sic!)

Carn
12-03-2011, 05:53 PM
just saying there is no way to know if its intentional or not.

EDIT

I also have a screen of a certain person named in this thread, experiencing or abusing a bug.

time-to-die
12-03-2011, 06:01 PM
So if a realm use a trick at a boss so than the boss cant atk you. Is that also a bug? Because than you can ban a realm(s)

_Enio_
12-03-2011, 07:18 PM
Ok enough is enough, i will now screenshot and report every one i see hidden in walls or any forbidden place, this is cheating.


Only when it is intentional, and then its abuse, not cheating.

Can you actually abuse that bug? I mean. Is there a way to reproduce it reliably? As this quite common bug is around since a while, and you dont notice it on your own screen i dont even know if theres a way to *know yourself* that you appear bugged.

I seriously doubt you reported intentional abuse there. Really.

Tigerious
12-03-2011, 07:55 PM
There is a difference between player that do it not intentionnaly and player who do it everytime they can.
Our whole realm saw them doing that crap.
But the main problem is the time it takes to NGD to just modify the structure of forts and fix this....
We reported it since more than one month now...

71175
12-03-2011, 08:07 PM
There is a difference between player that do it not intentionnaly and player who do it everytime they can.
Our whole realm saw them doing that crap.
But the main problem is the time it takes to NGD to just modify the structure of forts and fix this....
We reported it since more than one month now...

God, please ban tiger... joking.
If srsly: this will only cause ban of players mentioned not fixing forts.

_Enio_
12-03-2011, 08:17 PM
There is a difference between player that do it not intentionnaly and player who do it everytime they can.
Our whole realm saw them doing that crap.
But the main problem is the time it takes to NGD to just modify the structure of forts and fix this....
We reported it since more than one month now...

Are we talking about the same bug?



Bug: The player appears stuck in some obstacle while attacking "invisible" from another place.


2 Questions should be solved before reporting anyone for intentional abuse:


Can you intentionally abuse it, i.e. can you intentionally get bugged?
Can you actually notice that you are bugged?



And NGD should consider these too before banning anyone.

Tigerious
12-03-2011, 08:45 PM
Are we talking about the same bug?



Bug: The player appears stuck in some obstacle while attacking "invisible" from another place.


2 Questions should be solved before reporting anyone for intentional abuse:


Can you intentionally abuse it, i.e. can you intentionally get bugged?
Can you actually notice that you are bugged?



And NGD should consider these too before banning anyone.

>Ok enough is enough, i will now screenshot and report every one i see hidden in walls or >any forbidden place, this is cheating.

This is what we are talking about...
Already reported there (http://regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showthread.php?t=82550).

Can you intentionally abuse it, i.e. can you intentionally get bugged?
> Yes you can intentionally get bugged, you just have to jump in a precise place and then run behind the wall as you can see in the screenshot of my old post (link above).
Can you actually notice that you are bugged?
> Of course, you can see your current position and then inside the fucking wall

Tigerious
12-03-2011, 08:48 PM
Frosk, what is wrong in put names there please?
They know what they are doing so they can assume isn't it ?

Zas_
12-03-2011, 08:50 PM
Only when it is intentional, and then its abuse, not cheating.

Can you actually abuse that bug? I mean. Is there a way to reproduce it reliably? As this quite common bug is around since a while, and you dont notice it on your own screen i dont even know if theres a way to *know yourself* that you appear bugged.

I seriously doubt you reported intentional abuse there. Really.

Well, i dunno how it is called but for sure it is forbidden by rules, sorry my english level is pretty low.

They hide in walls or central pillar in fort towers and repeatedly used those bugs either to surprise and kill or to capture.

NGD will decide, but issues are well known now, and using them to gain an advantage at war is unfair.

If i report here it is because it seems more and more are doing it, perhaps thinking "others do, why not me".
This post should make people think twice.

Sometimes some of us (including me) used a bug without wanting to do so, this is a different matter, i only reported people obviously doing it voluntarly and repeatedly.

To be clear:
- don't hide in rocks, walls, or any place you should'nt be able to get in.

Zas_
12-03-2011, 09:06 PM
Are we talking about the same bug?



Bug: The player appears stuck in some obstacle while attacking "invisible" from another place.


2 Questions should be solved before reporting anyone for intentional abuse:


Can you intentionally abuse it, i.e. can you intentionally get bugged?
Can you actually notice that you are bugged?



And NGD should consider these too before banning anyone.

This isn't that bug.

In this case, i ensure you they do it intentionally and repeatedly.
I can't post screenshots here, and i'm not used to report people, but as said, enough is enough, they have to stop doing so, simple as that.

uncreative
12-04-2011, 01:42 AM
jesse the barbarian do it all time , done i said

_Enio_
12-04-2011, 05:38 AM
Well seems we talk about different bugs. Those you discribe are abusable but i have problems considering those offensable. Theres various positions you can hide in trying to not get spotted. Im not sure if thats a bannable offense though. There are lots of spots you can hide/move to which are "annoying". I.E. Imperia theres a very nice spot for barbs not reachable for any range - and its quite a task to "jump" there if your not used ito it. While these are erros in map design these spots arent "abuse". I dont consider Algaros wall an abuse either.

Seriously, thats a joke to get pissed about that.

Dupa_z_Zasady
12-04-2011, 09:15 AM
Seriously, thats a joke to get pissed about that.

Yes, joke that people are pissed that some sucker can spoil fun for many. Hahaha, im so amused.^^

71175
12-04-2011, 10:14 AM
1. It's not bug, it's collisions,which in this game... ehm
2. I can ensure u that 1/4 of ignis abused it in different ways. Like hiding in old pb,at agger tower etc.

Zas_
12-04-2011, 10:44 AM
Well seems we talk about different bugs. Those you discribe are abusable but i have problems considering those offensable. Theres various positions you can hide in trying to not get spotted. Im not sure if thats a bannable offense though. There are lots of spots you can hide/move to which are "annoying". I.E. Imperia theres a very nice spot for barbs not reachable for any range - and its quite a task to "jump" there if your not used ito it. While these are erros in map design these spots arent "abuse". I dont consider Algaros wall an abuse either.

Seriously, thats a joke to get pissed about that.

Well, i don't care until they use it to capture or attack by surprise. And they do.

Now if you think using well known bugs repeatedly isn't a bannable offense, do it, let me screenshot, and we'll see.

71175
12-04-2011, 10:46 AM
Well, i don't care until they use it to capture or attack by surprise. And they do.


lol so hunters allowed to camo in forts and we can't use NGD's errors with forts to use it O.o XD? I liek hunter's logic xD
+Surprise attack is fun. xD
P. S. u can still target 'em down so this isn't awful bug abusing as it seems xD

Zas_
12-04-2011, 10:52 AM
Why dont we abuse bugs ? because if NGD didnt want us to abuse bug they shouldnt have been there in the first place. So NGD if u dont want us to use em fixem.

Using bugs for any purpose is forbidden, simple as that.
NGD will fix them at some point, until then, don't use them.

I know sometimes we are using bugs without being aware of it, or because it is very unclear it is a bug or a feature, but in the reported issue (collision bugs), people are perfectly aware of what they do, and take advantage of it, NGD already stated it is forbidden, and already banned people for that.

71175
12-04-2011, 10:53 AM
NGD already stated it is forbidden, and already banned people for that.

Did i miss something? Link plz

Zas_
12-04-2011, 10:56 AM
lol so hunters allowed to camo in forts and we can't use NGD's errors with forts to use it O.o XD? I liek hunter's logic xD
+Surprise attack is fun. xD
P. S. u can still target 'em down so this isn't awful bug abusing as it seems xD

Did you notice Camouflage and Stalker Surroundings are features of the game ?

I think if barbarians don't have Camouflage it is on purpose.
Also, if you want to discuss the right to camo for hunters, it is another matter.
Thinking a feature is badly designed is a thing, using collision bugs over and over to cheat is another thing.
Feel free to mix up, but don't be astonished when you will be banned.

Zas_
12-04-2011, 10:57 AM
Did i miss something? Link plz

Ask NGD about it.

ayexeyen_
12-04-2011, 12:52 PM
To be clear:
- don't hide in rocks, walls, or any place you should'nt be able to get in.


If you accuse other players of this behavior you should be spotless.
Despite this I remember a certain barb and also different other syrtis players do it at pn. They were hiding in a spot that should be not accessible.
If you do it too, then please, don't accuse.
Is this behavior blamable?
No, I don't think so.
These spots need a fix but you know them and because of that you can take measures.

Zas_
12-04-2011, 02:16 PM
If you accuse other players of this behavior you should be spotless.
Despite this I remember a certain barb and also different other syrtis players do it at pn. They were hiding in a spot that should be not accessible.


And ? My realm mates have been warned, i will report them if they use those bugs too.
I really don't get how players can imagine it is allowed to use bugs in the game.
If you see a bug, report it, and avoid it if you can.


If you do it too, then please, don't accuse.
Is this behavior blamable?
No, I don't think so.
These spots need a fix but you know them and because of that you can take measures.

I don't do it. And this behavior is blamable. And NGD isn't responsible of players behavior (and yes, they have to fix bugs, this doesn't mean one is allowed to use bugs he can avoid).

_Enio_
12-04-2011, 05:16 PM
Well, i don't care until they use it to capture or attack by surprise. And they do.

Now if you think using well known bugs repeatedly isn't a bannable offense, do it, let me screenshot, and we'll see.

I see what you mean, i merely want to point out that for me the issue is possible abusive use of surroundings, not neccessarily needs to be a bugged terrain.

I.E. jumping on the donut rock is totally legit, but repeatedly camping on top and shooting down on peeps who pass along gets offensive. Same with some legit spot in Imp, where noone can touch you beside when they do the risky jumps there too ending in your melee range.

ieti
12-04-2011, 05:52 PM
If you mean the arch rock near Samal many of us do it like sport. It is real challenge to climb there. We do it alot for the fun. If someone use it to gain advantage it is big abuse.

I climbed it several times and even died once there which resulted several conjus to try to climb it for about 20 minutes. It was fun to watch. :D

Climbing is like sport in Syrtis which i do not think is used for bad things. If someone abuse this then punish him.

On out CS we climb on house, on trees and all we can climb...

71175
12-04-2011, 05:55 PM
If you mean the arch rock near Samal many of us do it like sport. It is real challenge to climb there. We do it alot for the fun. If someone use it to gain advantage it is big abuse.

I climbed it several times and even died once there which resulted several conjus to try to climb it for about 20 minutes. It was fun to watch. :D

Climbing is like sport in Syrtis which i do not think is used for bad things. If someone abuse this then punish him.

On out CS we climb on house, on trees and all we can climb...

Abusing this rock is pretty hard actually. cause i know barb who climb it in 5 seconds xD while me need 5 mins to do it xD

ieti
12-04-2011, 06:48 PM
Even i know how to do it i need around 10+ tries and alot time. But many ppl do it as sport. If someone uses it to shoot from it or gain any form of advantage then it is clearly abuse.

Hiding in ruined wall of syrtis fort towers is abuse. They do it so they can recapture or/and kill enemies after.

Zas_
12-04-2011, 07:57 PM
I see what you mean, i merely want to point out that for me the issue is possible abusive use of surroundings, not neccessarily needs to be a bugged terrain.

I.E. jumping on the donut rock is totally legit, but repeatedly camping on top and shooting down on peeps who pass along gets offensive. Same with some legit spot in Imp, where noone can touch you beside when they do the risky jumps there too ending in your melee range.

Yes, but climbing to the top of this rock need skill(?) and is a feature of the game (Jump on a rock), there is no obvious bug. Even attacking from the top of it isn't an issue atm (firing back is possible).

If someone is aware of a bug, and is repeatedly using it to win over enemies, then this is really unfair and blamable.

_Enio_
12-04-2011, 08:04 PM
Let me illustrate. xD

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2406/illustrationw.jpg

There is no bug involved. Its not really an abuse either. Just "creative use" of the architecture. Still its 100x more annoying then someone hiding in Algaros wall.

Zas_
12-04-2011, 08:13 PM
Let me illustrate. xD

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2406/illustrationw.jpg

There is no bug involved. Its not really an abuse either. Just "creative use" of the architecture. Still its 100x more annoying then someone hiding in Algaros wall.

Yes, but since there is no bug used here (i think), you can just complain about badly-designed architecture, and enemy using it can be called smart.

_Enio_
12-04-2011, 08:20 PM
Yes, but since there is no bug used here (i think), you can just complain about badly-designed architecture, and enemy using it can be called smart.

Well, isnt the wall in Algaros just badly designed too?^^

Sure they should adjust those collidable volumes, but its really not such a big deal. Would you report someone for sitting near flag in that tree(herb) or that stone thing(Agg/Trelle) too?

Zas_
12-04-2011, 10:06 PM
Sure they should adjust those collidable volumes, but its really not such a big deal. Would you report someone for sitting near flag in that tree(herb) or that stone thing(Agg/Trelle) too?

Yes. Since it is hiding using a collision bug.
Why people are doing it ?

I can tell you our whole zerg passed at top of tower without seeing the guy hidden in. You can blame people not checking for that, but what about blaming people using bugs to hide ?
Seriously, there's nothing to discuss about.

Also, i report issues, with screenshots, i will not pass time to remove cheater names, NGD will decide what to do, and i hope they'll fix those bugs soon.

Zas_
12-04-2011, 10:09 PM
Well, isnt the wall in Algaros just badly designed too?^^


Yes, true. But no one is forced to use them to hide.

_Enio_
12-05-2011, 12:15 AM
Yes. Since it is hiding using a collision bug.


Thats a bit hypocite.

If you have such strong feelings on these trifles, you shouldve had the same on old solo captures. As it was also a minor bug in Guard AI that allowed those.

Zas_
12-05-2011, 01:26 AM
Thats a bit hypocite.

If you have such strong feelings on these trifles, you shouldve had the same on old solo captures. As it was also a minor bug in Guard AI that allowed those.

I never used that trick.
In old forts, i always killed guards before capturing (yes, there was a time where a hunter could kill all guards alone).
But i know many were using a bug to capture without killing guards.

Also note that (very) limited AI isn't a bug, but instead a (lack of) feature.

Ok, i think we discussed enough about that subject, i'm not the one who is using bugs nowadays.

DemonMonger
12-05-2011, 02:47 AM
I keep thinking back to when I saw the video of a person using fireworks as a ladder to climb/jump walls. NGD said, "YES! ANOTHER CREATIVE FUNCTION OF THE JUMP ABILITY!"

If someone can get to a place in game legally then don't cry about it.
Learn how they did it.

It's not a bug. It's the added bonus of a feature.

m4cgregor
12-05-2011, 03:21 AM
Hi Horus Players.

I've made a song ( in spanish ) called "Buguero" ( Bugger, cheater ), about that kind of activities.

I've also performed it alive in the Regnum Fest 2011 in Buenos Aires.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=es&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Flucaysuhorriblepelorojo.blogspot.co m%2F2011%2F10%2Fbuguero.html

( auto translation )

:D

m4cgregor
12-05-2011, 03:24 AM
mmm
Bodyboarders is not the word... i think the close could be "cheater"...





Ho do you call people wo abuse of bugs ?

_Enio_
12-05-2011, 08:49 AM
Ok, i think we discussed enough about that subject, i'm not the one who is using bugs nowadays.

I agree, but im not a friend of reporting and labelling someone as cheater too easily, i.e. just for being at some hidden spot. Could just gone afk or something.

@m4cgregor:

"Buguero" you would probably translate as "cheater", or "bug abuser".