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JoinTheRevolution
11-22-2012, 06:18 PM
Hey everyone, I am looking for a good gaming laptop and I think I found a few nice ones at our local MediaMarkt in town, *No I will not buy alienware laptops, * Could you guys please give me your opinion on these following laptops? I would like to be able to run Total war games and games like FarCry 3 on high settings.


For 799 Euro's


ACER
Aspire V3-571G-73636G50M...
15,6 inch LED • Intel Core i7-3632QM • 6 GB • 500 GB HDD • NVIDIA GeForce GT 630M (1 GB)

http://www.mediamarkt.nl/mcs/product/ACER-Aspire-V3-571G-73636G50MAKK,10259,350521,490403.html




For 815 Euro's

HP Pavilion G6-2007SD
15,6 inch LED • Intel Core i7-3612QM • 6 GB • 500 GB HDD • AMD Radeon HD 7670M (2 GB)

http://www.mediamarkt.nl/mcs/product/HP-Pavilion-G6-2007SD,10259,350521,332265.html




For 799 Euro's

ASUS A55VD-SX030V
15,6 inch LED • Intel Core i7-3610QM • 8 GB • 750 GB HDD • NVIDIA GeForce GT 610M (2 GB)

http://www.mediamarkt.nl/mcs/product/ASUS-A55VD-SX030V,10259,350521,333650.html

Hayir
11-22-2012, 06:24 PM
You should have a look at the lenovo ideapad y-series. Those are about the same price, but should have a better graphics card.

Like this one. (german site tho) (http://www.notebooksbilliger.de/notebooks/ibmlenovo+notebooks/lenovo+lifestyle+home/lenovo+ideapad+y580/lenovo+ideapad+y580+m772dge+15gaming)

The_Krome_Dragon
11-22-2012, 07:11 PM
This is what i use, and it works great:), bit more expensive tho, 800 euros is around 1,000 US dollars right?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+17.3%22+Laptop+-+8GB+Memory+-+1TB+Hard+Drive+-+Black/5176239.p?id=1218621250769&skuId=5176239&ref=06&loc=01&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=5176239&extensionType=pla:g&s_kwcid=PTC!pla!!!37678873159!g!!18463087999

Cuchulainn
11-22-2012, 07:42 PM
mediamarkt notebooks are overpriced. You can save money if you choose a price comparison site like geizhals.de (http://geizhals.de/).

IMHO notebooks with AMD APU's are mostly good choices. Lenovo is known to be a high quality notebook brand. So this seems to be a reasonable choice as well:
Lenovo IdeaPad Z585 (http://geizhals.de/852416), priced at just 579 EUR.

The GPU performance of a AMD Radeon HD 7670M is slightly above GeForce GT 630M. About on par with Radeon HD 6730M and GeForce GT 550M. According to this review: http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-7670M.69483.0.html

esp_tupac
11-23-2012, 02:18 AM
There is no such thing as good gaming laptop as eventually laptop is going to run into heat problem cuz they are designed to be portable and not to be used for a long period of time. Also they charge 20% more price than the desktop of the same speed and processing power due to portability. Only desktop can handle long hours of intense gaming.

Shwish
11-23-2012, 08:41 AM
I know very little about PC so I have a question. I was scoping out for a desktop the other day and I heard that a more economical approach would be to get an i5 and invest a little bit more money into a good graphics card. I read that such a desktop would be on par with a standard i7 as the price difference between the two doesn't justify the increase in performance.

Can anyone confirm if this is true?

roonwick
11-23-2012, 08:44 AM
do yourself a favour, and dont buy from mediamarkt. I bought a new comp about a month ago, and was very happy with the service I got from http://salland.eu. Unless you really need the portability, I'd stay away from laptops.

JoinTheRevolution
11-23-2012, 10:26 AM
What about this desktop guys? This one should be able to run the heaviest games rather smoothly right?


For 799 Euro's

ACER Aspire M3985

Intel Core i7-3770 • 6 GB • 1 TB HDD • NVIDIA GeForce GT 620 (2 GB)

http://www.mediamarkt.nl/mcs/product/ACER-Aspire-M3985,10259,350534,508526.html

Cuchulainn
11-23-2012, 03:27 PM
What about this desktop guys? This one should be able to run the heaviest games rather smoothly right?
[...]

no it shouldn't be able to.

For games a good grapic card is far more important than a expensive CPU. This graphic card (GeForce GT 620 ) is a 30 Watts TDP card, even most AMD APU's (CPU, graphic chip combo) are considerable faster than this card. It really doesn't make any sense that this low-power cards has 2GB either, it just to make it look fast, but it isn't.

A processor sub €120 should easily be more than enough as gaming CPU for the next five years at least. Except if you want to compile any big programs, or encode vidoes simultaneously to gaming.

You can compare different current Nvidia graphic cards here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units#GeF orce_600_Series)
AMD Radeon cards comparison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units#Southe rn_Islands_.28HD_7xxx.29_series)

it doesn't have to be one of the most power hungy graphic cards. A 100W TDP card of a current generation should be enough for games of the next few years. Even with highest quality settings.

JoinTheRevolution
11-25-2012, 02:27 PM
no it shouldn't be able to.

For games a good grapic card is far more important than a expensive CPU. This graphic card (GeForce GT 620 ) is a 30 Watts TDP card, even most AMD APU's (CPU, graphic chip combo) are considerable faster than this card. It really doesn't make any sense that this low-power cards has 2GB either, it just to make it look fast, but it isn't.

A processor sub €120 should easily be more than enough as gaming CPU for the next five years at least. Except if you want to compile any big programs, or encode vidoes simultaneously to gaming.

You can compare different current Nvidia graphic cards here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units#GeF orce_600_Series)
AMD Radeon cards comparison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units#Southe rn_Islands_.28HD_7xxx.29_series)

it doesn't have to be one of the most power hungy graphic cards. A 100W TDP card of a current generation should be enough for games of the next few years. Even with highest quality settings.

Thanks for the information! Could you please continue helping me? I have found 2 other computers and I would like your opinion on both of them.

For 949 euro's ;

Medion akoya P5374E

-windows 7 home premium
-1.5 TB hard drive space
-64 GB SSD card
-Intel I7-3770 3.4 GHZ
-GeForce GTX550
-Intern memory 8 GB

http://www.paradigit.nl/paradigit/product/zpr_07com/01_desktop/productdetails/80005749/medion_akoya_p5374e__i7_3770_8gb_1_5tb_en_64gb_gtx 550/p5374e/default.aspx



For 999 euro's ;

acer Predator G3620-3rd

-Windows 8
-1 TB hard drive space
-16 GB SSD card
-Intel I7 3770 3.4 GHZ
-amd Radeon HD 7770
-Intern memory 8 GB (max 16)

http://www.dixons.nl/computers/pc-systemen/15377514/acer-predator-g3620-3rd-i7-3770.html#.ULInWodPiRY

LittleHomer
11-25-2012, 04:36 PM
If you want a real good gaming laptop: Take an Alienware!

Cuchulainn
11-25-2012, 06:24 PM
[...]

If you want to pay the price, the first computer seems to be the better choice. Especially because of the bigger SSD drive. The graphic cards of both configurations should be fine. Windows 7 is for desktop computer systems probably the better choice than Window 8.

Intel i7 CPU's are IMHO oversized for normal gamer usage. I would prefer something in the range of Intel i5, or AMD FX-6xxx, FX-8xxx. Futureproof gaming PC's must not cost more than 600 or 700 EUR IMHO.

Without doing CPU-heavy background tasks at least half of the i7 CPU would be almost idle during gaming.

JoinTheRevolution
11-25-2012, 07:32 PM
If you want to pay the price, the first computer seems to be the better choice. Especially because of the bigger SSD drive. The graphic cards of both configurations should be fine. Windows 7 is for desktop computer systems probably the better choice than Window 8.

Intel i7 CPU's are IMHO oversized for normal gamer usage. I would prefer something in the range of Intel i5, or AMD FX-6xxx, FX-8xxx. Futureproof gaming PC's must not cost more than 600 or 700 EUR IMHO.

Without doing CPU-heavy background tasks at least half of the i7 CPU would be almost idle during gaming.

Ty for replying, Could you explain to me what a SSD-card does? and if it is a big disadvantage to not have one? Do you think I will be able to run basicly every game on high settings with the 1st computer?

Cuchulainn
11-25-2012, 09:14 PM
Ty for replying, Could you explain to me what a SSD-card does? and if it is a big disadvantage to not have one? Do you think I will be able to run basicly every game on high settings with the 1st computer?

The SSD drive saves data just like the hard disk. If you install your OS on the SSD, it will boot faster and will load programs at program start faster than when these are on a conventional hard disk.

If you want to install Windoze on the SSD, I think 64 Gigabyte is the minimum you should buy. 64 GB for Windoze is already almost too limited, if you want to install all programms and several games on the SSD.
IMHO the advantage of having a SSD is not that big. But it surely boosts the system better than the difference i5 to i7 processor.

I just checked some benchmarks so that I can answer your last question better.
For demanding games like Crysis Warhead, Starcraft 2, Grandtheft Auto IV it's already too weak with very high settings (see benchmark) (http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Grafikkarten-Hardware-97980/Tests/Geforce-GTX-550-Ti-im-Test-Die-bessere-Radeon-HD-5770-815809/4/).

But this computer is for sure better for gaming than any notebook.

JoinTheRevolution
11-25-2012, 10:05 PM
The SSD drive saves data just like the hard disk. If you install your OS on the SSD, it will boot faster and will load programs at program start faster than when these are on a conventional hard disk.

If you want to install Windoze on the SSD, I think 64 Gigabyte is the minimum you should buy. 64 GB for Windoze is already almost too limited, if you want to install all programms and several games on the SSD.
IMHO the advantage of having a SSD is not that big. But it surely boosts the system better than the difference i5 to i7 processor.

I just checked some benchmarks so that I can answer your last question better.
For demanding games like Crysis Warhead, Starcraft 2, Grandtheft Auto IV it's already too weak with very high settings (see benchmark) (http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Grafikkarten-Hardware-97980/Tests/Geforce-GTX-550-Ti-im-Test-Die-bessere-Radeon-HD-5770-815809/4/).

But this computer is for sure better for gaming than any notebook.

Again thanks for your reply, I find it dissapointing that games like gta IV won't be able to run properly on the computer I want to buy when set on the most demanding settings. What do you suggest me to do then? Build my own Computer? But how do I do such a thing?

Cuchulainn
11-25-2012, 11:30 PM
[...]What do you suggest me to do then? Build my own Computer? But how do I do such a thing?

there are hundreds of YouTube videos explaining how to do this. I don't want to recommend that, if you are afraid to do this yourself.

A alternative would be to buy somewhere were you have a good configuration possibility. Not many computer sellers offer you good configuration possibilities. Here (http://klatt-it.de/index.php?&index=1&subindex=1&subsub=2&operation=) is a example. Maybe you find a similar offer from a dutch computer seller.

In the site I linked above Windows is not included in the price. You would need at least a 550 W power supply, better 650 W.

Quincebo
11-26-2012, 10:18 AM
Gaming laptop?
www.alienware.nl

Little expensife...but they are made for gaming

roonwick
11-26-2012, 12:51 PM
there are hundreds of YouTube videos explaining how to do this. I don't want to recommend that, if you are afraid to do this yourself.

A alternative would be to buy somewhere were you have a good configuration possibility. Not many computer sellers offer you good configuration possibilities. Here (http://klatt-it.de/index.php?&index=1&subindex=1&subsub=2&operation=) is a example. Maybe you find a similar offer from a dutch computer seller.

In the site I linked above Windows is not included in the price. You would need at least a 550 W power supply, better 650 W.

salland.eu let's you configure anything you want (as long as it would work. they'll contact you if it doesn't, like if you're trying to put an AMD processor on an intel board). They'll also test your new computer before sending it, and give you the test-report. Not all sellers actually test their systems. (GRRRRRR!)

Phrack
11-27-2012, 08:11 AM
Think about this (http://www.dell.com/us/soho/p/precision-m4600/fs)

Why?
You can modify it as much as you like:
My config:
-Dell M4600
-Intel Core i7-2960XM
-2xSSD - Raid1
-32.0GB, DDR3-1600MHz SDRAM
-AMD FirePro M5950 (you can get much better, this 1 is GDDR5; didnt need better 1 for my stuff)
-15.6" UltraSharp™ FHD(1920x1080) Anti-Glare LED-backlit
-9-cell (97Wh) Lithium Ion Battery
and also v.important - at least for me:
-3 Year Basic Hardware Service with 3 Year NBD Limited Onsite Service After Remote Diagnosis

average temp? : 45-55 c
when running 3 vm's (1x win2k8 r2 , 1x debian 1x win7) + win2k8r2 as laptop OS i get up to 65c
and its still mobile device ;)

if u still think its not enought, go for 6600, u can put there SLI graphic cards..

DuoMaxwell
11-29-2012, 10:46 AM
I can't in good faith recomend anything from HP, Dell, Acer or any of the other big box makers, they all cut quality so badly that it is really not funny, furthermore, why pay more for a workstation class GPU when it will usually perform slower in games then the standard GPU? Workstation cards are tweaked for color and render accuracy and double percision GPGPU compute accuracy, not for gaming performance. An alienware is just a really exspensive Dell just as a Voodoo is a really exspensive HP. You can do much better for the money.

Laptop? MSI GX60 http://www.xoticpc.com/msi-gx60-1ac021us-preorder-p-5009.html

It combines the AMD A10-4600m APU with the AMD HD7970m http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-7970M.72675.0.html so you get a very fast gaming laptop that still get good battery life as it turns off the HD7970m when itisn't needed and instead uses the HD7660G http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-7660G.69830.0.html that id built into the A10-4600m APU

Last I checked, Xotic ships worldwide and was rated one of the best shops by Reseller Ratings and Biz Rate.

Desktop? CPU is largely irrelivent these days if you arent playing tons of RTS games or are big into flight simulators as otherwise any decently fast quad core CPU is more then enough for any game, there is no reason to spend the extra cash on a an i7 CPU.

You are much better off throwing more money into getting a faster GPU like an HD7970 or a GTX680 as it will make a much larger difference. Those that think otherwise simply don't have the game's settings turned up high enough or need a higher res monitor.

On a desktop ideally you would want an SSD in the 120-256Gb range as your boot drive, then get a cheap 1-3Tb HDD for all of your music, photos and movies. SSDs are not for long term storage and should never be filled anywhere near their full capacity, so the general rule of no more then 80% full before you neeed to clean it out or upgrade should actually be strictly followed.

The reason why is wear leveling, if you fill the drive there is no place for it to move files around on to ensure the drive wears out evenly. This is also why you shouldn't be using them to hold on to multi Gb video files either.

8Gb of ram is usually more then enough, though 16Gb is getting pretty cheap these days, it's a tossup if you DIY, more ram or ram that is faster, it all depends on what you want to do.