How different are the communities of Ra and Haven?

[RichardCromwell]

Good day, everyone:

I have been trying to steer my way through the Spanish section multiple times, and recently I have come across this thread. I have found the impression I could make very interesting, but could sadly not really understand enough to grasp the exact controversies between the opinions of the players, and more importantly, what the topic exactly was about.

Could someone tell me whether I have gathered correctly that there is/was an established PvP-zone that is/was being raided, to the discontent of the duelists? And if so, on whose side is the original poster?


As my thread's title suggests, I ask this in order to answer a broader question that I could also use some experience for:
Do the players on Ra display obviously different preferences concerning RvR-tactics, or attendance to RvR, than the community of Haven does? And if so, does that difference consist of more players actively pursuing duels and Regnum Point hunting?
If yes to any, does this divide the community of Ra?


I could understand if some of you should not be interested in this topic, but I do not really feel like testing the field myself for too long, and would appreciate some information about the culture on Regnum's other side. =)

[Znurre]

As far as I understand it the thread starter complains about the organized PvPs in Syrtis as of late. He doesn't like the fact that enemies use these zones to take shelter when pursued.

As for your other question, it's my experience that players on Ra are a lot more interested in war for the sake of war than on Horus/Haven where objectives seem to be a big motivating factor.

[Stern]

The author of the thread is against the PvPs.
Historically, Syrtis dock, or the area around it has been used to PvP in Ra Realm, but now some people (that are againt PvPing in a whole, not against that zone) argue that they are to close to Herbred and afect the RvR (pffff!).
It is true that same players when are beeing chased take shelter in that area, I think that is not right.
But the conflict is actually about some players that think that Regnum is a RvR game, and RvR is the only thing that is allowed to do in the WZ, and those who like to PvP. There is some sort of "rivalry".
About Ra comunnity, there is nive people, there are idiots, like in everyplace .

Sorry about my English, it's been a while since the last time I wrotte something in this languaje.

I will try to help you with any doubts you might have.

Cheers,

[RichardCromwell]

Originally Posted by Znurre

As for your other question, it's my experience that players on Ra are a lot more interested in war for the sake of war than on Horus/Haven where objectives seem to be a big motivating factor.

There have been a lot of interesting discussions on this. I, personally, try my best to promote strategies that have to do with the objectives, not because I would care a lot about invasions, but because I think that according to these systems lets you experience the fairest, and therefore most interesting encounters:
Only in the course of sieges that actually interest all of your enemy players will you get a lot of opponents to attend to the battle, and I also think that they put more effort into it when there is a relic to protect.

This might just be subject to opinion, and some simply prefer going to the place they presently find most interesting and fighting there, but I think there are very uneven numbers in such random Herb-/Aggers-/Samal-/Alga-/Trelle-/Mele-encounters that take place without any relevance to invasions. They seem too unmotivated, to me.

Originally Posted by Stern

The author of the thread is against the PvPs.
Historically, Syrtis dock, or the area around it has been used to PvP in Ra Realm, but now some people (that are againt PvPing in a whole, not against that zone) argue that they are to close to Herbred and afect the RvR (pffff!).
It is true that same players when are beeing chased take shelter in that area, I think that is not right.
But the conflict is actually about some players that think that Regnum is a RvR game, and RvR is the only thing that is allowed to do in the WZ, and those who like to PvP. There is some sort of "rivalry".

Ooh, thank you, that was very precise.
I still do not understand the issue, though. Do people really expect to be left in peace for entering that zone, even after having initiated fights outside of it, at first? I would say that is a little naive. =P

I understand your stance towards the general discussion, and can relate to the thought that people should stop forcing their gameplay on others. Bringing aruguments for why they consider it more interesting is their full right, but some questions are, quite frankly, a matter of opinion, and can not be solved through discussion, but only be accepted or not. And in such, people should be left their ideas.


Thankful for your answers, and a good bit wiser about a community that does not seem to be that different from ours,
Laetitian. =)

[errei]

hi,

the thread you mentioned is actualy about a problem in PvPing. At RA, the players frequently organize tournaments (be them class- restricted, or even group fights and treehuging fights) and call for PvPs every single day.

The 2 problem are: 1) the dificulty about finding a good place to PvP make them to use the most obvious locations as Syrtis boats, Daen Rha pit, SH, Meni Beach, etc.
2) (which is what the spanish thread is focused) ppl ruining PvP. Some ppl (as the spanish OP) just go and ruin PvP. -OFF TOPIC- Ive seen at RA, ppl even placing banners, calling out a realm to ruin a few PvPs that were happening at Syrtis Boats planned to be part of a tournament - ON TOPIC - The thread is about "Syrtis Territory" (particulary Syrtis Boats, which is "Muelle") is always crowded of players from Ignis and Alsius PvPing. The OP said this was bad, and that they will continuously kill ANY enemy at their terrirory, no matter how much HP he has, if he is joining a PvP (or watching it) or if Syrtis friends are telling him to stop. And that those enemies should be doing "something else, like helping their realm in war" then doing PvP.

about RA comunity, as Haven one, is very heterogeneous. There are some players that participate in EVERY war that happens. There are players (realy alot of them) who just sit at wall and keep selling/ buying stuff (as you might know, they have commerce/realm chat only in inner realm). There are players who just zerg grindspots and keep camping it. There are players who keep hunting and hunting, and hardly do anything else. And there are players who like to create/watch/join/organize tournaments, PvPs and little group fights.

IMO, the biggest difference between the spanish and english "culture" is the Warzone dynamism... at RA, nobody NEVER does hunt alone. You wont ever find yourself with nothing to do (if you look for action): huge hunting parties all around, from all realms. By that server, it is a blameworthy to camp castle saves, but still happens. If you care about WZ bosses, they just kil it very fast, after 1-2 minutes of its respawn, no banners, no regroup, they just go and kill and there is no need to call ppl to help on it. (About dragons, i cant say much... my experience on raids on RA are very small).
In terms of war, it is the same as in Haven. Alot dont join, but still the wars can reach great proportions (kinda off topic, but ive seen 100x100 fights at a gate fight, before. thats kinda awesome). And in a funny statement, the central saves at RA usualy have the same (or even smaller) number of ppl sitting/afking then in Haven.

Im sry if i forgot anything

[Lebeau]

It's all in the nature of the 'beasts' so to speak. As already stated, RA players seem far less inclined to RvR, with Haven (Horus) players far more inclined to RvR. Why? On RA, the populations are very large & usually near equal, so thus, it's not at all easy or even likely to pull off a relic-run, let alone a successful invasion under such circumstances, so those there very often don't even bother to try. So, they hunt, farm, PvP or w/e, making their own fun in their own ways. On Haven (Horus) however, the population-trend is the opposite: not usually equal ... so, so many multirealm, hopping about, & when they sufficiently clump together into one realm atm, it becomes possible, even likely, to pull off relic-runs & successful invasions. Then, they usually steamroll the other realm(s). Ofc., such diverse output is the inevitable result of the diverse input (a combination of CoR's current imbalanced invasion mechanics, different population situations & overall human nature). Besides language & the average age of users, THIS seems to be the biggest difference imho, but it did not have to be as it is.

[m4cgregor]

Originally Posted by Stern

Historically, Syrtis dock, or the area around it has been used to PvP in Ra Realm, but now some people (that are againt PvPing in a whole, not against that zone) argue that they are to close to Herbred and afect the RvR (pffff!).

Cheers,

Historically ????

I play since 7 years, and this is a recent fad.

Syrtis NEVER allowed enemies in his territory.

And those that think it's a natural thing are some new players that doesn't understand what is the game about.

[Zas_]

It raises an interesting question, PvP is interfering with RvR somehow, and personnaly i dislike those events. But i know many players who enjoy them, so...

Imho an official PvP place should be created, it can be as simple as a TDM instance, with unlimeted time, instance is destroyed when the last one leaves.
At least, it would make this instance thing worth something.

And while they are at it, they can rethink the arena...

[Stern]

Originally Posted by m4cgregor

Historically ????

I play since 7 years, and this is a recent fad.

Syrtis NEVER allowed enemies in his territory.

And those that think it's a natural thing are some new players that doesn't understand what is the game about.

Well Lucas, I don't play since 7 years ago, but since 2011, It is where PvP usualy occur.

[Rising_Cold]

Originally Posted by Zas_

It raises an interesting question, PvP is interfering with RvR somehow, and personnaly i dislike those events. But i know many players who enjoy them, so...

Imho an official PvP place should be created, it can be as simple as a TDM instance, with unlimeted time, instance is destroyed when the last one leaves.
At least, it would make this instance thing worth something.

And while they are at it, they can rethink the arena...

Problem is, the moment it gets instanced and unwatchable (arena's :'( )
it loses its fun factor
most people who pvp try to get better and at the same time try to make a name for themselves