Evasion issue

Arkenion · 09-22-2008, 12:41 AM

Dear NGD,

Once more I would like to show you that something is completely out of order in this game. At the beginning I thought I was the only one thinking the general evasion (also blocks and resists) is on a level FAR too high. But then more and more people started confirming what I thought in IRC, clan chat, general chat. In the last few weeks I've heard more and more people complain about this. You've already told us that you were working on it, but imo the concentration update didn't change anything noticable. It's even fucking hard to grind. On my level 39 hunter I have level 4 passive dext, level 4 passive concentration, level 4 passive hit chance and level 4 Eagle eye, which results in hit chance being above 600. Still, I get too many evades. So many evades that I'm just getting pissed off. On my warlock I can't even have hit chance buffs/passives.
Can you tell me how I am supposed to beat a hunter who evades and resists everything?
This is a 1on1 against a hunter from syrtis. If I hadn't gotten help, I would have been owned badly. vs was the pet. http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?i...0922013jv0.png
How am I supposed to win such a fight? He didn't even use SotW! I know that it's their setup blabla but their setup isn't supposed to give them GODMODE as long as their buffs run. And he didn't even cast dodge...

Really, NGD, I BEG you to fix this, and please TELL us if you actually try to. Right now we all feel punked and completely useless. I'm sure that this is one of the main reasons why there are so few warlocks actually playing atm. (Net el brujo said the same thing to me today)...

Kindest regards,
Arkenion

PS: In the poll, and in this topic, with general evasion I mean also resists and blocks (like the number of blocks due to deflecting barrier in fort wars etc, or the base resists due to intelligence)

Comp · 09-22-2008, 12:55 AM

Yes, too much evasion. In my opinion, evasion should ONLY WORK if you have evasion based items and use passives or skills to increase your evasion. There should be NO SUCH THING as base evasion.

Arkenion · 09-22-2008, 12:57 AM

Especially mages and warriors shouldn't have. I used to be able to rely on the success of SK/vamp when I used them well, which meant that I had to cast it on either mages or barbs. But today this doesn't work anymore. Some time ago an unchallenging barb evaded both sk and vamp in a row :[

Edit: I just saw somebody voted No. Please write why you don't agree with us, because I really can't understand it..

Lexen · 09-22-2008, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solarus

Yes, too much evasion. In my opinion, evasion should ONLY WORK if you have evasion based items and use passives or skills to increase your evasion. There should be NO SUCH THING as base evasion.

I agree with you. I really think it should be lowered.

_dracus_ · 09-22-2008, 01:30 AM

I agree evasion is way too high, sometimes even my barb starts evading like an archer it's crazy. And evasion on dracus is just too random to be playable. I mean I can't rely on it, but sometimes it save my ass from situation where it shouldn't.

Hydroxidee · 09-22-2008, 03:06 AM

I agree with all of you here. I heard once that evasion is with chance? I don't recall who told me this though.

Mikan · 09-22-2008, 03:18 AM

My personal opinion is this:
- Base evasion and resist chance should be removed
- Archer evasion buffs should be made more reliable instead of "maybe you live, maybe you die"

Currently, the archer buffs may seem overpowered, but like Knight blocks it's always at the wrong time. They save us in situations where they shouldn't, and don't do hardly anything at all in situations where they should.

Though, perhaps alot of this is because of the contribution of base evades.

Regards,

makarios68 · 09-22-2008, 08:19 AM

I'd like to make three points here:

1. base evasion should be removed to eliminate some of the luck in fights.

2. base evasion should be removed from mobs because i get infuriated with multiple evades from mobs.

3. the game should imo move away from evasion/resists/blocks altogether (including spells and passives) to a well-balanced game where the outcome of a fight depends on good use of fighting and control skills, not luck skills.

-RedStar- · 09-22-2008, 08:32 AM

Aye...make evasion work only when you move,replace blocks witg damage reduction and remove resists except for cc spells

Znurre · 09-22-2008, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -RedStar-

Aye...make evasion work only when you move,replace blocks witg damage reduction and remove resists except for cc spells

I like that.
And make sure that buffs which provides resistance against CC spells is 100%, and instead give every class a way to counter these buffs.

View Poll Results: Do you think there is too much evasion in this game?
Yes, I think the general evasion should be lowered.	73	76.84%
No, I think it's OK as it is (also for mages, barbs etc.)	22	23.16%
Voters: 95. You may not vote on this poll

09-22-2008, 12:41 AM	#1
Arkenion Master Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Switzerland Posts: 278	Evasion issue Dear NGD, Once more I would like to show you that something is completely out of order in this game. At the beginning I thought I was the only one thinking the general evasion (also blocks and resists) is on a level FAR too high. But then more and more people started confirming what I thought in IRC, clan chat, general chat. In the last few weeks I've heard more and more people complain about this. You've already told us that you were working on it, but imo the concentration update didn't change anything noticable. It's even fucking hard to grind. On my level 39 hunter I have level 4 passive dext, level 4 passive concentration, level 4 passive hit chance and level 4 Eagle eye, which results in hit chance being above 600. Still, I get too many evades. So many evades that I'm just getting pissed off. On my warlock I can't even have hit chance buffs/passives. Can you tell me how I am supposed to beat a hunter who evades and resists everything? This is a 1on1 against a hunter from syrtis. If I hadn't gotten help, I would have been owned badly. vs was the pet. http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?i...0922013jv0.png How am I supposed to win such a fight? He didn't even use SotW! I know that it's their setup blabla but their setup isn't supposed to give them GODMODE as long as their buffs run. And he didn't even cast dodge... Really, NGD, I BEG you to fix this, and please TELL us if you actually try to. Right now we all feel punked and completely useless. I'm sure that this is one of the main reasons why there are so few warlocks actually playing atm. (Net el brujo said the same thing to me today)... Kindest regards, Arkenion PS: In the poll, and in this topic, with general evasion I mean also resists and blocks (like the number of blocks due to deflecting barrier in fort wars etc, or the base resists due to intelligence) __________________ The Immortal Legends: Arkenion \| You cant see me Valhalla: Darkenion, PT caballero degollando a lechugas RA Last edited by Arkenion; 09-22-2008 at 01:18 AM.

09-22-2008, 12:55 AM	#2
Comp Count Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Jippy's Mom's House Posts: 1,286	Yes, too much evasion. In my opinion, evasion should ONLY WORK if you have evasion based items and use passives or skills to increase your evasion. There should be NO SUCH THING as base evasion. __________________ Compost (60 Hunter) Alsius Compoundious (Dead and gone...)

09-22-2008, 12:57 AM	#3
Arkenion Master Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Switzerland Posts: 278	Especially mages and warriors shouldn't have. I used to be able to rely on the success of SK/vamp when I used them well, which meant that I had to cast it on either mages or barbs. But today this doesn't work anymore. Some time ago an unchallenging barb evaded both sk and vamp in a row :[ Edit: I just saw somebody voted No. Please write why you don't agree with us, because I really can't understand it.. __________________ The Immortal Legends: Arkenion \| You cant see me Valhalla: Darkenion, PT caballero degollando a lechugas RA

09-22-2008, 01:30 AM	#5
_dracus_ Count Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toulouse Posts: 1,335	I agree evasion is way too high, sometimes even my barb starts evading like an archer it's crazy. And evasion on dracus is just too random to be playable. I mean I can't rely on it, but sometimes it save my ass from situation where it shouldn't. __________________ « Thanks all, you are right I'm great with the barbarian ... for killing mobs. » -- Athena Stillwater

09-22-2008, 03:06 AM	#6
Hydroxidee Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Modesto, California Posts: 161	I agree with all of you here. I heard once that evasion is with chance? I don't recall who told me this though.

09-22-2008, 03:18 AM	#7
Mikan Baron Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: In Nekoko's lap ;) Posts: 768	My personal opinion is this: - Base evasion and resist chance should be removed - Archer evasion buffs should be made more reliable instead of "maybe you live, maybe you die" Currently, the archer buffs may seem overpowered, but like Knight blocks it's always at the wrong time. They save us in situations where they shouldn't, and don't do hardly anything at all in situations where they should. Though, perhaps alot of this is because of the contribution of base evades. Regards, __________________ Hannah Amelie • Catalina Nevena • Alicia Godwyn Alsius Horus ✝ No chance of victory, no chance of defeat ✝ Frozen Flame Individually, we are one drop. Together, we are an ocean. An ocean of drama.

09-22-2008, 08:19 AM	#8
makarios68 Count Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: England Posts: 1,300	I'd like to make three points here: 1. base evasion should be removed to eliminate some of the luck in fights. 2. base evasion should be removed from mobs because i get infuriated with multiple evades from mobs. 3. the game should imo move away from evasion/resists/blocks altogether (including spells and passives) to a well-balanced game where the outcome of a fight depends on good use of fighting and control skills, not luck skills.

09-22-2008, 08:32 AM	#9
-RedStar- Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 28	Aye...make evasion work only when you move,replace blocks witg damage reduction and remove resists except for cc spells