(Horus) Realm Balance or Stop New Players in Syrtis

[Klutu]

this thread will probally get Flamed but try to be respectful.

Syrtis Horus has always been the "Number Dominate Realm" there realms most Attractive on Screen to new players there quests are simple they have good Inner/Wz Grinding Areas and have the ability to hold a fort with 30+. But for Alsius/Ignis(Small period of the day were ignis is outnumbered) we are often Slaughtered by the mass Realm Syrtis.

for alsius Trelleborg fort has litterly become a Attachment to Syrtis.


I think if anything is ever to get better there needs to be a lockdown in Syrtis. or Marketing Alsius/Ignis with a larger bonus or such. ive played both realms and theres great Differences.

Alsius New Initiate Zone imo is very laggy very stressful and lots of Tedious tasks right from the start. in Mont when choosing ur class at lvl 10 there are no quests in the city at this lvl I fine this very unattractive to new players and i often hear it Complained about in Realm. our Pendant holders drown or fall off cliffs to areas were we cannot reach and will stay that way for a few days. Walking into Gokstad is just Asking for Necro. some of our lvl 40+ quests are broken. i think ive fallen off of the Path from Gokstad to Mont about 10 times.


Syrtis: Starting out the Quests are basic and they are Smooth to get threw normally it's 1 city for a few lvls then move on. Grinding Areas are so easy to find virtually anywhere in inner is a good place to grind for lvls. from the point of lvl 10 choosing your subclass to lvl 16 i think there are non stop quests that can basicly take you to there with little grind. Pendant holders & Mobs are very good grinding areas grind parties produce lvls very rapidly.

Ignis: im sorry but i don't know much about ignis but ive heard it's not pretty maybe someone could help fill this in. /me points at Edge >.>

overall the population in Horus/Syrtis has grown to a all time high of the last few monthes. and it will continue to gain.

while most new players in ignis/alsius will quit the game because it looks like shit.

Imo theres 2 choices.


"Realm Balance" Fixing Landscape Mob Spawn Quest Items and such.

or

Blocking New Syrtis Players: more of a quick fix but could also be very Risky

[UmarilsStillHere]

Block newbies in Syrtis for a while, I have seen it work in other games, ofc people will moan though, Maybe only allow people in with some sort of invite code from a player already in that realm, that way people inviting freinds can have them in the same realm.

Syrtis have for a while been the most active realm in taking forts, Its not because we are better in anyway, its because it a lit easier to get a few people together and go.

[UmarilsStillHere]

Hes acctualy a Nordo, and is taller than Faith, so unless you thought that through and ment me, fail

[ArchmagusArcana]

I agree, its to the point where its taking back aggers or trelle or imp is only duty now and something that must be done, and not something that is fun. Fort wars with few VS zerg are just not fun, ive grown rather bored of them. I never thought for an instant that i would ever start a hunter in this game, but i have; i still want to play, but i just get no joy at all out of fort wars anymore. Open field is still fun sometimes, but it all comes down to numbers.

People will cry about not being able to pick Syrtis, but its the fastest, easiest solution. Transitory bonuses are not enough to deter people from going to the populated realm, and more tangible bonuses such as MAG (which IM NOT SUGGESTING), dont mean anything at all to new players. The problem is not to make an undermanned realm op, so the only REAL bonuses that you can offer are intangible ones, XP or GP boost, possibly some minor noob special quest weapon at level 15 or 20 (Low enough to attract people to it, and also low enough to not be imba in WZ).

Any way you cut it, its a shitty situation, and the fastest most efficient solution (blocking people from starting in Syrtis) is also shitty. Sadly though, we are getting to the point where its really just getting to be not fun, at all. Who wants to be on either side of a zerg vs handful battle? I dont, there is no challenge when you are zerg, and there is only frustration when you are the handful.

+1 For sure about an invite code to let your friends join you in the realm of your choice. An invite email maybe would be the best way, as a code can be prone to abuse from people that want to bypass strictures put in place to keep balance (Assuming something like this becomes reality).

[Arafails]

Bloody Vikings aside, I'm not entirely sure the problem is as large as suggested. What I see mostly these days in Ignis is people who would normally be in the warzone levelling their new hunters, having jumped on that particular wagon late. I don't know how it is in Alsius....

Of course everyone in Syrtis already has a hunter at level 50 (j/k but it seems that way sometimes), so they have more free time to go and capture forts....

[Klutu]

Originally Posted by Arafails

Bloody Vikings aside, I'm not entirely sure the problem is as large as suggested. What I see mostly these days in Ignis is people who would normally be in the warzone levelling their new hunters, having jumped on that particular wagon late. I don't know how it is in Alsius....

Of course everyone in Syrtis already has a hunter at level 50 (j/k but it seems that way sometimes), so they have more free time to go and capture forts....

well when you look at around 13:00gmt 17:00gmt you will probally notice syrtis holds Trelle with a extensive force

they outnumber us but they also outclass us alsius is majority Warrior Realm with a few exceptions while Syrtis is mostly Marks/Hunters Conj/Locks so being Terrored 6 times and picked off by the few warriors and archers and even if we get a good area in they have so many mages that there pylons are negating the smaller forces damage almost completely and if we are able to kill anyone they have enough conj's to go rez him/her

part of this is not so much realm number imbalance but class imbalance that is making range Dominate this game and since syrtis comes out as the most attractive realm for archers/mages they gain a advantage that most of there noobs are a ranged class.

just my thoughts ^^

[-Edge-]

Ok, to me the problem in realm distribution lies clearly in how a realm is viewed. Each realm has its own "image" that shows it to new players.

Syrtis and Ignis are your typical Dark Elf versus Light Elf. When it comes down to new players (most of them are young) it's about which realm is cool. Although having played in all 3 realms I will say Alsius is built by far the best in PvE, meaning there are few problems with monster spawns, quests are really nice, it's fast, etc. Followed by Syrtis which is really close, when I talk about Ignis I mean it's horrible in the PvE aspect.

Our quests end at ~23 now, and NGD deleted around 12 quests up to Medenet City. It's a grind the whole time, although the new Initiation Zone presents Ignis as a realm better, it still fails to address age old problems like flying monsters, missing spawns, and useless content with potential that sits around without a care. When someone plays in Ignis now, its usually a new player that has very strong nerves to play in a realm that is filled with bugs from day one, or it is someone from another realm that will play because they know the game mechanics. (Although people don't talk about it, this is another reason why Ignean players tend to have more understanding of game mechanics, because in order to survive in Ignis you need to learn the survival of the horrendous PvE, in Syrtis a 5 year old could survive, that's why you have more Syrtians, and Syrtian noobs on top of that.)

But Ignis aside, I want to talk about Alsius. To me the image of Alsius is corrupted because it fails to keep its players. I'll say again, Alsius has by far the best ingame experience, with stunning landscapes too. But to a new player when they come they see this boring feeling. Because Alsius itself feels boring to people, that's what I've been told and I've noticed myself. NGD fails to promote Alsius, the story is there, but do you really see much of it? I've just seen a couple Syrtis quests address Alsius, other then that its Ignis vs Syrtis, Syrtis vs Ignis. Alsius fails to fit into the story, and NGD continues to promote the Good versus Evil gig.

It also has to do with characters, I believe if NGD gave Alsius more uniqueness, like Ugthars, Dwarves, and for fucks sake the Nordo's, then people would be attracted to it. There are no racial attributes like Alsius being naturally stronger in Barbarians and Marksmen for example, Ignis being strong in Warlocks and Knights, and Syrtis in Hunters and Conjurers. While I'm on it attributes are messed up, Dark Elves do NOT start with 30 Intelligence, and they are supposed to be expert necromancers.

I don't think "forcing" someone to play in another realm is the solution, though it would work.

EDIT: I just also wanted to add that the Syrtis zerg effect and any realm zerg comes from the fact that the fort area is too small. It should be roughly increased, as to spread out players. Then at least maybe the side with fewer players would have a chance. Right now its just 40 on 15 and the 40 focus on one target, one gate, one goal. I don't think the game is meant to be played in Zerg versus Zerg style, it should be more about teamwork on various goals, not which side has more bastards clumped together.

[Punti_X]

Syrtis owned Alsius at Trele because of low level Alsius players and lack of support conjurers. We had many low level players there. As you could see on friday, Syrtis had 4 support conjurers active all the time, Syrtis army was full buffed all the time and Alsius had big lack of tactics and ideas (i never see Alsius players even blessed).
So, please, upgrade your abilities and skills and try to work as team, and stop complaining of your low numbers. I never see Ignis complain about outnumbered.
Or, you can return to Syrtis and help us finally take all gems and open portal.
Regards,

[Winds]

Klutu you know that is issue isn't as simple as that. Timezones have a huge effect on the populations of each realm. As an example all most every day I wake up Herbred is hold by ignis. They rather commonly have 2-3 times the high lvls we have online in that single fort. (I try to have every 45+ character on my friendlist.)

I agree that in general syrtis seems to be the most populated. So if blockage could take timezones to evaluation, I could favour the suggestion. Surely not all who are from the same time zone play at the same times of day, but it would probably help a bit with the time zone imbalances. So in the current state of horus that would probably mean that europeans couldn't join syrtis and maybe americans couldn't join ignis. (Don't know just guessing.)

However my suggestion to solve realm imbalances wouldn't be limiting new players choice, but offering others the choice of change. I mean a realm change scroll. Using it would transfer your chars to an other realm. Naturally you should be only able to change to the most unpopulated realm. (Again perhaps taking timezones into account)

Problems with this are the races, realm specific items and names too. I'd let the chars keep their items, after all this would just lessen the imbalance between realm items or then change them to corresponding items of the other realm. You should probably be allowed to create your char again by choosing new appearance, race, attributes and name. All though personally I wouldn't mind seeing elves fight along side dwarves, but to keep the realms unique that wouldn't probably be the best idea.

This scroll could and probably should be premium to give the devs and incentive to make it and to limit it's use. (Free for all could lead to a rather messy situation.) I'd hope this scroll would help others to make the noble decision you and some others have made. (Changing to an underdog realm with the motive of helping them and giving up 50lvl chars in another realm.) As I believe that many would like to see more balanced realms and would be willing to make the change, if it didn't mean grinding yet another character and giving up those that they've put lot of effort into.

So shortly I agree that the population needs to be distributed more evenly to all 3 realms, but instead of forcing new users I'd try couraging the old ones.

[tauc]

Originally Posted by Punti_X

Syrtis owned Alsius at Trele because of low level Alsius players and lack of support conjurers. We had many low level players there. As you could see on friday, Syrtis had 4 support conjurers active all the time, Syrtis army was full buffed all the time and Alsius had big lack of tactics and ideas (i never see Alsius players even blessed).
So, please, upgrade your abilities and skills and try to work as team, and stop complaining of your low numbers. I never see Ignis complain about outnumbered.
Or, you can return to Syrtis and help us finally take all gems and open portal.
Regards,

Ofc, 4 support conjures at syrts side and 20 players at all. VS 8-10 lowlevels alsus players with 1 lock and 1 lv30 conj. All alsius die with chain of 6 syrts terrors in a row.

About what tactic do you talking about?

If you have good ideas mind lets take agg an fight with hilvles alsuis warriors, not easy rp farm on lowlvlsers at trelle.

sry for emotions, but it really strange from syrts last time when zerg of 20 players come to trelle instead of agg fort