Could Syrtis borrow us some archers?

[Dupa_z_Zasady]

Inquisition guys are mostly welcome. For a while, to teach ours how to play.
I'm really fed up. I asked archers to take positions on the wings of formation, and i got the answer "archer will do nothing without support". WHAT?! Archers ARE support. Now could Ignis Horus archers explain me, why they stand in the centre of formations where they get sultared? When I chase an enemy player i'm almost sure to get ensnared, ambushed, frozen by archer. When i am chased, it's very rare to get such a support. Of course there are few that do it right but most, they can only cry... Why locks, and mental conjus have to do archers job? Look at your enemies, you can learn from them!

[Kasp1]

Yeah look at enemies, the most rated ones are always in the middle of zerg under the effect of every single mana pylon. Bad that there usually aren't pylons nor any much of auras on the igean side..

[UmarilsStillHere]

Archers are indeed support, warriors in the current state need the CC spells of mages and archers to close in or chase down a target.

Alsius does this pretty well too, I often get winter stroken, ivyed, ambushed etc... several times per fight. I remember getting about 50 winter strokes off Enio when we were fighting around PP once, including one with me right in his face half way though beast attack

Ranged class need to remember that barbs are the most powerfull damage dealers around, and if you see a player running from one then a CC spell will be 10* more effective than a damage only spell like Lightning or Serpants.

With more warriors about I would hope this is just how play styles will naturally develop but since warrior population has been low for so long many archers/mags are used to playing the 'kill' roll rather than CC and support.

[Dupa_z_Zasady]

Originally Posted by Kasp1

Yeah look at enemies, the most rated ones are always in the middle of zerg under the effect of every single mana pylon. Bad that there usually aren't pylons nor any much of auras on the igean side..

I don't tell you to mimic most rated, i tell you to mimic those that can play.

Originally Posted by Umaril

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Exactly!

[Pwnography]

Yeah theres alot of problems with people not playing their roll in war,but its not just archers.In my opinion knights are the class not playing their roll.Ask a knight what their setup is like and 9/10 time theyll have SC lvl 4/5 and accurate swings lvl 4/5.Thats why i love kaidan,only knight i know in ignis who uses auras to protect people.

[UmarilsStillHere]

Far more knights would play 'knight like' if it was a more feasable roll, with the aura limits many people want conju auras more than knight auras, also with the short range behind-arc its hard to keep players under certain auras.

Not to mention lack of tanking power when not under Ao1 and worse CC than barbs, Knights get Sheild Bash, Barbs get Roar, Howl, ROTE... this makes it very hard to defend your allys when you have few effective tools avalable to stop the enemy from doing so.

[Dupa_z_Zasady]

Originally Posted by Fighting_Irish

Yeah theres alot of problems with people not playing their roll in war,but its not just archers.In my opinion knights are the class not playing their roll.Ask a knight what their setup is like and 9/10 time theyll have SC lvl 4/5 and accurate swings lvl 4/5.Thats why i love kaidan,only knight i know in ignis who uses auras to protect people.

Knight class with its auras is totally broken, archers are perfectly fine. That's the difference. You can play archer, do your job and not be bored.

[Hamster_of_sorrow]

in ignis, the few archers that we have, marks especially, run out of mana so fast that they can barely do anything at all. I havent played marks much since the 1.0.8 update (nerf-a-thon 2009) and i gotta say, i saw this coming. i tried playing for a while afterwards but i spent so much on arrows in the 2 days that i actually put up with that crap that i lost almost all my gold. its also annoying to kill 2 normal mobs or 1 challenging mob then have to rest right away because you are almost dead and completely out of mana (i wasnt all that great at marks anyway). the biggest prob for me was that the amount of arrows that used to last me 1 weekend of grinding now lasted about 8 hours but costed the same amount.

so literally 2 days after the nerf-a-thon, i made a barb. best decision i ever made on this game. sure they arent what they used to be, but they arent THAT bad.

[ieti]

Ask for some mana. I usually see marks and barbs in Syrtis to ask for mana - and they get if mages have spare to share. Usually conjurers synergy, locks have synergy bond too. Just ask for mana.

Have you seen how we synergy Minamoto and Lune if we have to share. It is symbiosis - we give mana, they protect mages to do better their job.

[Dupa_z_Zasady]

Originally Posted by Thingindaswamp

in ignis, the few archers that we have, marks especially, run out of mana so fast that they can barely do anything at all.

That is why i think they should learn to play.

I havent played marks much since the 1.0.8 update (nerf-a-thon 2009) and i gotta say, i saw this coming. i tried playing for a while afterwards but i spent so much on arrows in the 2 days that i actually put up with that crap that i lost almost all my gold. its also annoying to kill 2 normal mobs or 1 challenging mob then have to rest right away because you are almost dead and completely out of mana (i wasnt all that great at marks anyway).

Learn to grind archer without need to rest. I can do that.

the biggest prob for me was that the amount of arrows that used to last me 1 weekend of grinding now lasted about 8 hours but costed the same amount.
so literally 2 days after the nerf-a-thon, i made a barb. best decision i ever made on this game. sure they arent what they used to be, but they arent THAT bad.

You will change your mind when it'll come to pay weapon and armor bill on 50th. My knight, fortunately, has support of my conju and my lock.

Originally Posted by war_support

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And again, exactly.