Warjurers?

Noicha · 01-19-2010, 01:48 PM

Hey,

I'd like to know what it actually means to be a warjurer. Is it just a conjurer wich uses summon and some damage-spells aswell? I don't get what's wrong with that...
And why does everybody hates them?

UmarilsStillHere · 01-19-2010, 01:58 PM

A 'warju' is a offencisve setup Conju yes, the main reason players dislike them is they are taking a support class and turning it on its head to become offensive, other conjus see this and copy them, thus taking the only healer class we have and making it another offence, which we already have 5 of anyway.

I know a few 'liberated' warjus who used to defend Warjus to the hill but after changing to support get just as annoyed by warjus as most others.

ieti · 01-19-2010, 02:45 PM

From conjurer side warjurers are hated, because they do not return DI, do not heal, do not transfer mana, they simply use this class in a "wrong" way. I can not say really hate, more like dislike.

Usually warjurers even do not support self which they can do, because they are conjurers after all. Usually they are suicidal, forcing me to heal and protect them, while other do not get needed attention.

If warjurer support self alone it is not so big problem for others. Everyone have a right to choose after all. Still offensive mage is warlock. Make a warlock for this job. Do not use conjurer in such way.

e30G · 01-19-2010, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Noicha

And why does everybody hates them?

Not everyone hates them. Personally I don't. It's their choice to play the way they want. However, they are among the bottom of my list for support with my Conjurer simply because I feel they should have the skills to protect themselves, and they are not as effective as lets say a Conjurer skilled in support or a Marksman or a Barbarian in RvR.

Klutu · 01-19-2010, 05:04 PM

it's the style of warjur i hate..

When i see a Conj with Zarkit & sm then gives lvl 1 heals or tells people that he doesn't have heals.. i get a bit pissed

When i see a Conj with max mental & heals Auras ect.. im Happy with that i even play conj with a bit of mental to try to CC people away from my warriors..

Groark · 01-19-2010, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Noicha

Hey,

I'd like to know what it actually means to be a warjurer. Is it just a conjurer wich uses summon and some damage-spells aswell? I don't get what's wrong with that...
And why does everybody hates them?

As a warjurer you can use summon or not, depends on your setup. In short you could say that a warjurer uses the most offensive (and defensive) setup putting less points on healing and nothing or almost nothing on the rest of the support spells.
It is your choice to use one setup or another and not anyone else's.

makarios68 · 01-19-2010, 05:49 PM

A fully offensive conj is really effective 1v1. This means that their effectiveness is confined to single targets.

On the other hand, the fully defensive conj can be a huge benefit to the whole army - they can often swing the balance of the battle.

So i think many people consider it a waste to take such an effective group support class and turn it into a char that focuses only on single target dmg.

My personal feelings are that the choice is completely up to the player to choose. I also think it is a waste to turn this class to offense, but i respect the right to choose this style.

Noicha · 01-19-2010, 06:32 PM

I see... A full support conjurer can mean the most to an army.
But a conjurer has powers a warlock hasn't, that may, if combined right, prove very usefull in pvp, right?
Maybe a warjurer doen't have to be a waste, and has benefits a warlock hasn't.
(Tell me if I'm wrong)

Gytha_Ogg · 01-19-2010, 06:48 PM

A warju-esqe build is also effective for (solo) grinding. So if you're grinding near Agg and want to heed the "All to Agg!" calls that occur ever so frequently, you can either stash the zarkit and go to Agg, or dash to Birka, /reset_powers, reskill, notice you forgot to skill DI or MC or something, re-/reset_powers, reskill, dash back to Agg and just before you reach the door...

"Alsius has captured Aggersborg Fort"

If I plan to spend a lot of time warring, I'll skill pretty pure support (maybe a few points in Mental, sometimes you just feel like knocking somebody down)

My grind build has high heals and synergy bond, I mainly lose mana pylon and some points in sanc, so I probably look less like a warju than just an incompetent support conj.

Flightcap · 01-19-2010, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GythaOgg

A warju-esqe build is also effective for (solo) grinding. So if you're grinding near Agg and want to heed the "All to Agg!" calls that occur ever so frequently, you can either stash the zarkit and go to Agg, or dash to Birka, /reset_powers, reskill, notice you forgot to skill DI or MC or something, re-/reset_powers, reskill, dash back to Agg and just before you reach the door...

"Alsius has captured Aggersborg Fort"

What he said. For this reason I have been warring on warju build for the last several months, trying to get that xp to level inbetween fights. Ahhhh for two exchangeable builds....I hate having to apologise before every fight for my level 1 heals, no DI, and no MC....

01-19-2010, 01:48 PM	#1
Noicha Master Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Between east and west where sunlight never comes... Posts: 266	Warjurers? Hey, I'd like to know what it actually means to be a warjurer. Is it just a conjurer wich uses summon and some damage-spells aswell? I don't get what's wrong with that... And why does everybody hates them? __________________ Jesus loves me yes i know 4 the bilbe tells me so!!!

01-19-2010, 01:58 PM	#2
UmarilsStillHere Marquis Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: England Posts: 2,419	A 'warju' is a offencisve setup Conju yes, the main reason players dislike them is they are taking a support class and turning it on its head to become offensive, other conjus see this and copy them, thus taking the only healer class we have and making it another offence, which we already have 5 of anyway. I know a few 'liberated' warjus who used to defend Warjus to the hill but after changing to support get just as annoyed by warjus as most others. __________________ Faith 50 Barb Faithless 50 Lock Umaril 45 Conju Kailas 45 Marks Pel 45 Knight I N Q U I S I T I O N

01-19-2010, 02:45 PM	#3
ieti Count Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Sofia, Bulgaria Posts: 1,374	From conjurer side warjurers are hated, because they do not return DI, do not heal, do not transfer mana, they simply use this class in a "wrong" way. I can not say really hate, more like dislike. Usually warjurers even do not support self which they can do, because they are conjurers after all. Usually they are suicidal, forcing me to heal and protect them, while other do not get needed attention. If warjurer support self alone it is not so big problem for others. Everyone have a right to choose after all. Still offensive mage is warlock. Make a warlock for this job. Do not use conjurer in such way. __________________ RA \| Ignis \| Lilla My \| Conjurer \| EVIL IGNIS ROCK Horus \| Syrtis \| ieti \| Conjurer \| INQUISITION \| LONG GONE

01-19-2010, 05:04 PM	#5
Klutu Baron Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 714	it's the style of warjur i hate.. When i see a Conj with Zarkit & sm then gives lvl 1 heals or tells people that he doesn't have heals.. i get a bit pissed When i see a Conj with max mental & heals Auras ect.. im Happy with that i even play conj with a bit of mental to try to CC people away from my warriors.. __________________ Ramsli Klutu

01-19-2010, 06:32 PM	#8
Noicha Master Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Between east and west where sunlight never comes... Posts: 266	I see... A full support conjurer can mean the most to an army. But a conjurer has powers a warlock hasn't, that may, if combined right, prove very usefull in pvp, right? Maybe a warjurer doen't have to be a waste, and has benefits a warlock hasn't. (Tell me if I'm wrong) __________________ Jesus loves me yes i know 4 the bilbe tells me so!!!

01-19-2010, 05:49 PM	#7
makarios68 Count Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: England Posts: 1,300	A fully offensive conj is really effective 1v1. This means that their effectiveness is confined to single targets. On the other hand, the fully defensive conj can be a huge benefit to the whole army - they can often swing the balance of the battle. So i think many people consider it a waste to take such an effective group support class and turn it into a char that focuses only on single target dmg. My personal feelings are that the choice is completely up to the player to choose. I also think it is a waste to turn this class to offense, but i respect the right to choose this style.

01-19-2010, 06:48 PM	#9
Gytha_Ogg Master Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Valiantly battling at... oops, at Agg save :/ Posts: 253	A warju-esqe build is also effective for (solo) grinding. So if you're grinding near Agg and want to heed the "All to Agg!" calls that occur ever so frequently, you can either stash the zarkit and go to Agg, or dash to Birka, /reset_powers, reskill, notice you forgot to skill DI or MC or something, re-/reset_powers, reskill, dash back to Agg and just before you reach the door... "Alsius has captured Aggersborg Fort" If I plan to spend a lot of time warring, I'll skill pretty pure support (maybe a few points in Mental, sometimes you just feel like knocking somebody down) My grind build has high heals and synergy bond, I mainly lose mana pylon and some points in sanc, so I probably look less like a warju than just an incompetent support conj.