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Zemepanda · 09-16-2012, 02:02 AM

here's a question for le community of lovely regnum players

why do ngd players think you have seniority over gamesamba players and are better in any way than them?

and if you're willin to go the extra mile here's a bonus question

does knowing a lot of useless information about the good old days of regnum make you better at this game?

VandaMan · 09-16-2012, 02:34 AM

I'll bite, even though I'm both an NGD and GameSamba player...

In my opinion the majority of the players who think like this are either just trying to fit in with their friends who think like this, or are just mediocre to poor players who will jump on any opportunity to make themselves feel like they're pr0.

Before Raven, all the Ra players who came to Horus were called newbs, because their server was bigger and they only know how to play in zergs. Horus players were supposedly better because being on a small player taught you to have individual skills without relying on numbers. Suddenly the players from an even smaller server are thrown in the mix, and that logic goes out the door - Raven players are newbs because their server was so small they only know how to grind, kill grinders, and camp forts.

Truth is the whole thing is just utterly ridiculous, because the vast majority of Raven players either came from Horus to play on Raven, or played on both Raven and Horus before the merge.

Shwish · 09-16-2012, 05:31 AM

It comes down to the fact that most Horus players have no idea what happens on the Raven server. From what I've read, they believe Raven was full of ponies and rainbows and all we did was blow kisses at each other all day.

Most of these comments would come from players who didn't even bother playing the server for more than a day if not at all. If I had a choice, I would chose the old Raven over Haven any day.

People need to get over the fact that we can from different servers. Its not as bad as it was around the merge time, the Horus players has come to accept us so whoever pissed you off enough to make this post was probably just trolling you.

Kitsuni · 09-16-2012, 05:35 AM

It does not make me better at the game, because the game mechanics have changed so much over time (not always for the better), that the information I have gained from years of playing is basically useless. For example, the majority of my playtime occured in the first two years of the game since beta where all movement was WASD only (no mouse turn/click), and archers and mages didn't stop to cast while moving.

So to summarize: No, this does not make older players better, or even more intelligent. Not because they aren't smart, or don't know what to do , but simply because NGD changes the core mechanics of the game so much (especially in Warmasters update) that that information is rendered largely useless. It helps, but not as much as it would've during those times.

What is really happening is these players just miss the old ways, are caught in endless nostalgia about it and will always believe it to be superior. This happens in real life too. And in some cases; its' correct; the new ways are often worse due to less thought being put into their production and implementation. And I can sympathise with these players too, because the new generation always thinks they are "elite" because they've played an OP class for six months and filmed lots of "hunting" videos.

No offense to such players; but it doesn't exactly make them better than the "annoying" people who go on about the past.

So the root of this problem is in the game design, repeated server creations/transfers/mergers/re-levelling a billion characters, staleness and needing to find some reason to continue playing a game that is now six years old since its original beta phase begun.

Disclaimer: I played on Raven, and it was a pretty good server except when NGD screwed up the save system, along with broken WM powers and infinite XP boosts from GS which lead to rediculous amounts of alt-grinding. After that I found the atmosphere from players became very bitter, and in most cases players from Raven were acting more bitter and nasty than those from Horus, whereas prior to the stressful changes the players that I encountered in Raven were very nice and outgoing. I had originally played to move to Raven permanently before the advent of what I consider Regnum to have ended as it was - at WM update. What can you say? People get better when they go through crappy things, its a part of life. Its neither server's fault, and its not the players' fault.

I will say that too many people are concerned about who is right or wrong; they're too busy disproving or trolling people to make friends instead of enemies.

JainFarstrider · 09-16-2012, 06:04 AM

I think a big reason for Horus players hating Ravenites is because of bad experiences with GMs. It's easy to feel like this new company (Gamesamba) and new group of people are invading and impressing their ideas on the Horus RO players.

71175 · 09-16-2012, 10:18 AM

Cap's Opinion:
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/22729372.jpg

bois · 09-16-2012, 01:38 PM

Question one , how many old Horus players actually feel this way ? A few empty barrels do make a lot of noise but it does not mean there are a lot of them. If it is a small minority of players spouting that opinion, I don't consider it 'Horus players'. That is just individual bias. It does not require a stereotype.
In such case consider them trolls and just use ignore command if they piss you off. Simple. Besides, if you know you are on equal footing or maybe even better, why do you even care about their opinion? Write it off and make your skills on the battlefield do the talking.

Question two. It does not, mostly. Many old tactics are not relevant. However, some basic ones do still work. Mechanics have changed a lot and sometimes (in my antiquated opinion) for the worst.
With that said, it is always a benefit to put both old and new excessive egos aside to try tactics both new and old. Ego is one thing both Horus and Havenites have in abundance.
Is it that hard to listen and integrate what works and drop what does not ? So what if some player waxes warm with emotional content. Simply edit that out and use the relevant stuff. I'll forgive those being battered by teenage (or post teenage) hormones if they are not able to do that.
Sue me if I am nostalgic. I played a long time through many iterations and I believe I am in a position to judge what worked better from a fun standpoint. So If I mope and cry a little it is because the game had so many uniques that were gradually eroded over time to make a more generic MMO. In a few cases, the game devolved instead of evolved. That is probably the only thing very new players may not quite grasp. It is the experience of watching the game grow and evolve and actually knowing what was gained and lost over the years.
For that , I will never regret being a nostasgic, creeking old veteran. Its been a nice ride.

I don't think I am any better than players from another server. Actually, I don't care about who comes from where including other realms on the same server, it is such a non issue for me.

The questions are trollish but I think they deserved a response.

Zemepanda · 09-16-2012, 05:39 PM

why the assumptions i'm mad? o.o

i already quit the game, just curious

oh and the responses are very good so far anyone else wanna contribute?

Raoh · 09-16-2012, 08:40 PM

NGD players dislike GameSamba players , from what Ive been told, because GS players had things handed to them on a silver platter. GMs that tanked Boss and SuperBoss mobs, 200% and 500% realm wide boosts for days at a time, and contests and activities. These are all things that NGD has not given to its userbase, yet GameSamba willing gave its user base all this.

Resentment plain and simple. If you get what others dont, and others become jealous of it, sure signs of superiority are going to play a role in it.

"Oh, Ravenites suck, I grinded my knight to level 60 with no boost events, only 50% boost scrolls, and with no dedicated conj. That makes me 100 times the player that any Ravenite is, because I respect what Ive earned. Those idiots just bought their way to high levels, and gear, and they had GM and GC help with their bosses."

This kind of rationale is why there is a divide between NGD originating users and GS originating users.

And its a totally asinine and retarded way to think. Game is a game. Ive seen Ravenites that are 5 times a skilled as any NGD player. And Ive seen the opposite as well.

Nothing to see here. These arent the droids your looking for. Go about Your business. Move along....Move along.

Shwish · 09-16-2012, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zemepanda

why the assumptions i'm mad? o.o

i already quit the game, just curious

oh and the responses are very good so far anyone else wanna contribute?

Just a quick question. Where you expecting a response from the guy who said this:

Quote:

As far as I'm concerned, GS forum users should be seen and not heard, preferably not even seen if possible. Bugger off.

If you were then I think he quit.

09-16-2012, 02:02 AM	#1
Zemepanda Pledge Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 10	divided here's a question for le community of lovely regnum players why do ngd players think you have seniority over gamesamba players and are better in any way than them? and if you're willin to go the extra mile here's a bonus question does knowing a lot of useless information about the good old days of regnum make you better at this game?

09-16-2012, 05:35 AM	#4
Kitsuni Baron Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 886	It does not make me better at the game, because the game mechanics have changed so much over time (not always for the better), that the information I have gained from years of playing is basically useless. For example, the majority of my playtime occured in the first two years of the game since beta where all movement was WASD only (no mouse turn/click), and archers and mages didn't stop to cast while moving. So to summarize: No, this does not make older players better, or even more intelligent. Not because they aren't smart, or don't know what to do , but simply because NGD changes the core mechanics of the game so much (especially in Warmasters update) that that information is rendered largely useless. It helps, but not as much as it would've during those times. What is really happening is these players just miss the old ways, are caught in endless nostalgia about it and will always believe it to be superior. This happens in real life too. And in some cases; its' correct; the new ways are often worse due to less thought being put into their production and implementation. And I can sympathise with these players too, because the new generation always thinks they are "elite" because they've played an OP class for six months and filmed lots of "hunting" videos. No offense to such players; but it doesn't exactly make them better than the "annoying" people who go on about the past. So the root of this problem is in the game design, repeated server creations/transfers/mergers/re-levelling a billion characters, staleness and needing to find some reason to continue playing a game that is now six years old since its original beta phase begun. Disclaimer: I played on Raven, and it was a pretty good server except when NGD screwed up the save system, along with broken WM powers and infinite XP boosts from GS which lead to rediculous amounts of alt-grinding. After that I found the atmosphere from players became very bitter, and in most cases players from Raven were acting more bitter and nasty than those from Horus, whereas prior to the stressful changes the players that I encountered in Raven were very nice and outgoing. I had originally played to move to Raven permanently before the advent of what I consider Regnum to have ended as it was - at WM update. What can you say? People get better when they go through crappy things, its a part of life. Its neither server's fault, and its not the players' fault. I will say that too many people are concerned about who is right or wrong; they're too busy disproving or trolling people to make friends instead of enemies. Last edited by Kitsunie; 09-16-2012 at 05:50 AM.

09-16-2012, 06:04 AM	#5
JainFarstrider Initiate Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Where the internet is bad Posts: 119	I think a big reason for Horus players hating Ravenites is because of bad experiences with GMs. It's easy to feel like this new company (Gamesamba) and new group of people are invading and impressing their ideas on the Horus RO players. __________________ "My friends call me Big Phil, but you can call me sir"

09-16-2012, 10:18 AM	#6
71175 Baron Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Feeding@ Farmal :P Posts: 714	Cap's Opinion: http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/22729372.jpg __________________ I heard draconic gem makes people stupid. Now i see it is exactly so. lol fail \ iFail \ I Am Multirealmer Good bye RO, the poor players.... have fun

09-16-2012, 08:40 PM	#9
Raoh Pledge Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: On an Island Somewhere Posts: 32	NGD players dislike GameSamba players , from what Ive been told, because GS players had things handed to them on a silver platter. GMs that tanked Boss and SuperBoss mobs, 200% and 500% realm wide boosts for days at a time, and contests and activities. These are all things that NGD has not given to its userbase, yet GameSamba willing gave its user base all this. Resentment plain and simple. If you get what others dont, and others become jealous of it, sure signs of superiority are going to play a role in it. "Oh, Ravenites suck, I grinded my knight to level 60 with no boost events, only 50% boost scrolls, and with no dedicated conj. That makes me 100 times the player that any Ravenite is, because I respect what Ive earned. Those idiots just bought their way to high levels, and gear, and they had GM and GC help with their bosses." This kind of rationale is why there is a divide between NGD originating users and GS originating users. And its a totally asinine and retarded way to think. Game is a game. Ive seen Ravenites that are 5 times a skilled as any NGD player. And Ive seen the opposite as well. Nothing to see here. These arent the droids your looking for. Go about Your business. Move along....Move along. __________________ "Is This good for new players?" Raoh the Conqueror \| Ignean Warlock

09-16-2012, 02:34 AM	#2
VandaMan Baron Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 747	I'll bite, even though I'm both an NGD and GameSamba player... In my opinion the majority of the players who think like this are either just trying to fit in with their friends who think like this, or are just mediocre to poor players who will jump on any opportunity to make themselves feel like they're pr0. Before Raven, all the Ra players who came to Horus were called newbs, because their server was bigger and they only know how to play in zergs. Horus players were supposedly better because being on a small player taught you to have individual skills without relying on numbers. Suddenly the players from an even smaller server are thrown in the mix, and that logic goes out the door - Raven players are newbs because their server was so small they only know how to grind, kill grinders, and camp forts. Truth is the whole thing is just utterly ridiculous, because the vast majority of Raven players either came from Horus to play on Raven, or played on both Raven and Horus before the merge.

09-16-2012, 05:31 AM	#3
Shwish Baron Join Date: May 2010 Location: South Africa Posts: 906	It comes down to the fact that most Horus players have no idea what happens on the Raven server. From what I've read, they believe Raven was full of ponies and rainbows and all we did was blow kisses at each other all day. Most of these comments would come from players who didn't even bother playing the server for more than a day if not at all. If I had a choice, I would chose the old Raven over Haven any day. People need to get over the fact that we can from different servers. Its not as bad as it was around the merge time, the Horus players has come to accept us so whoever pissed you off enough to make this post was probably just trolling you.

09-16-2012, 01:38 PM	#7
bois Count Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Trinidad and Tobago Posts: 1,194	Question one , how many old Horus players actually feel this way ? A few empty barrels do make a lot of noise but it does not mean there are a lot of them. If it is a small minority of players spouting that opinion, I don't consider it 'Horus players'. That is just individual bias. It does not require a stereotype. In such case consider them trolls and just use ignore command if they piss you off. Simple. Besides, if you know you are on equal footing or maybe even better, why do you even care about their opinion? Write it off and make your skills on the battlefield do the talking. Question two. It does not, mostly. Many old tactics are not relevant. However, some basic ones do still work. Mechanics have changed a lot and sometimes (in my antiquated opinion) for the worst. With that said, it is always a benefit to put both old and new excessive egos aside to try tactics both new and old. Ego is one thing both Horus and Havenites have in abundance. Is it that hard to listen and integrate what works and drop what does not ? So what if some player waxes warm with emotional content. Simply edit that out and use the relevant stuff. I'll forgive those being battered by teenage (or post teenage) hormones if they are not able to do that. Sue me if I am nostalgic. I played a long time through many iterations and I believe I am in a position to judge what worked better from a fun standpoint. So If I mope and cry a little it is because the game had so many uniques that were gradually eroded over time to make a more generic MMO. In a few cases, the game devolved instead of evolved. That is probably the only thing very new players may not quite grasp. It is the experience of watching the game grow and evolve and actually knowing what was gained and lost over the years. For that , I will never regret being a nostasgic, creeking old veteran. Its been a nice ride. I don't think I am any better than players from another server. Actually, I don't care about who comes from where including other realms on the same server, it is such a non issue for me. The questions are trollish but I think they deserved a response.

09-16-2012, 05:39 PM	#8
Zemepanda Pledge Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 10	why the assumptions i'm mad? o.o i already quit the game, just curious oh and the responses are very good so far anyone else wanna contribute?