Agreed with Edge, one of the best posts in quite some time.

Great post Blood, you are correct as always.

All classes have "easy" things. Even Knights and Warlocks.

It's time to grow up and realise that.

No offense to anyone, but I've had enough of these threads always talking about how horrible one class is, or another class is. If it's not archers, it's Knights for blocking, or Barbarians for South Cross, or Marksman for defense, and the list goes on and on.

If at any time you cannot defeat another player it is because you did not use your skills correctly or the flaws in the engine made the battle too luck-based. It is not because they had access to some overpowered dicipline.

I fight mages daily that evade more than I do on either archer class.

I know some of you have played Hunters and know better, and know that they have to sacrifice a huge amount of fun and useful tools to have a maxed Evasion tree... so why do we have to go through this endless dance?

It is to the point where if I have to keep reading this garbage every day I just will not read at all.

Just so you guys know, I no longer play my Hunter at all because IMO they are so weak. And guess what, I play at least 4 classes LV50 regularly so I know what I'm talking about.

But of course, I'm sure that makes me elitist, not properly informed.

Regards.


EDIT: Screenshot attached of unbuffed archer escaping. But this is surely the result of the Evasion tree, even though he had absolutely no buffs the entire time (due to 2x Confuse :p).

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/752...7310pl1.th.jpg

I'd like you to play a warlock and say that again 8D

and knights? Pff knights are strong atm, I remember the alsius arena contest, a team with 3 knights won.

It's only because of the luck, luck luck (like you also mentioned), skills are overrated and blood is right.

your post contradicts itself, luck!=skills/brains. And that's why I refuse to use wind wall, I don't wanna rely on luck

I could also go into details about slow and mind push when talking barbarian/maddness but that would be off topic Like the current state of discussion.

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There are many lame players in this game, some tools like the mentioned new sotw->stalker surroundings are used by teh same lamers. These tools needs to be taken away for a game we can all enjoy

Keep in mind, I'm the one who made the original "Warlocks suck now" thread that everyone laughed at.

But it was different times then.

I was able to play a LV50 Warlock for a short time in warzone recently. I found them to be quite fun and not suffering from any more blocks, evades, or resists than the Marksman. :)

In fact, it made me want a high-level Warlock really badly, they are truly awesome to play. When I really think about it, all classes are great, for what they do (unless the luck fucks up).

But the luck thing is mostly a flaw in the engine itself, not in diciplines or players' skill.

Regards.

Not exactly :P
We have wind wall = block for mage. Cool aint? and don't tell me that it is only 30% :P
Block and 0 dmg in fort wars - take any archer and try to kill someone who is standing near knight.
Players evading few hits in row without ANY buff.
Barbs reducing my dmg to 70 from 280.
Etc. You want fix evasion tree? Fix general block, evade, resist system first. :P if i can't base on my dodging then i want to have 100% accurate hits on others. Simple isn't it?

I just totally disagree with you. My hunter used to be my main character, now i'm more playing with my barbarian. From my barbarian experience hunters are easy when they use the classical pet+confuse setup (a barb level 47 can own them easily thanks to his resistance against piercing).

Ambush on a barb is ok if you are sure he isn't in madness otherwise it's just waste of time. However my point is when I'm playing an archer, I mostly never use spell elude anymore (it costs so many powerpoints for such a random result), I prefer tricks and escapist to control the fight.

But for me SotW ain't any problem with my barb, I know archers have it, So i need to dizzy them if I want them not to use it, or I just need to make them waste time during SotW.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think that hunters are overpowered, I simply think they rely too much on luck.It is this "stupid defense system based on luck" I would like to get changed and I think that it would be the best for everyone.
Change blocks/evades into damage resistance, immunity against effects, etc.

But basing on unstopable madness and 1kill hits is ok? Same as mod + windwall is ok? And blocks in forts are ok? I you want fair fight with archers then i want fair fight with all others. No more blocks. No more resisting my ambush. No more reducing my dmg to 0.

No, but I want you to get spells that will guarantee you protection instead of relying on luck.
I don't want any evades, resists, block in the game at all if I was to decide.
I think damage reduction, spell immunity, effect resistance, damage return spells are the way to go.

Then why it is always about archers? No one posted anything about removing wind wall. When Mell suggested disabling auras in fort wars, there was any positive response from those who don't like evasion tree? When Valorius was whining about unstopable there was something beside lough or sarcasm? I understand your point. But if someone want to do anything with evasion tree then i say no to evade tunics, no to wind wall, no to protection dome, no to mana pylon, no to wind wall, no to blocking auras and i want 100% succed spells on any other class.

Edit: Did you had any unfair fight with me? :P

Because archers are the most common case. SotW is the best spell for immunity, and you can attack in it, along with a speed boost. It can resist nearly any attack or spell in the game, its a spell with no sense,

All classes are split into 2 teams, those teams that you hate, and the ones that play to your liking. SotW archers, SC barbs, Immortal Knights, Unattackable warlocks,

The game is changed because of them, thus sadly you are changed aswell. How do we know balance isn't character based and not class based?

Ah ok you were joking, no problem then.

In case you were not if you are tired of this garbage you can leave the game and the forums for 16th time with one of these post you always delete after 20 mins.

Just a little thing more

Dont teach lessons to us, we knew how to play before you arrived and of course we know what to do vs any class. If the battle its too much luck based its because the overpowered/stupid/badesigned/whateveryouwant defense system. And even if you dont want to see it the archers are the most benificiated by it just because they have range, speed and damage.

I dont understand why they need defense.

;)

at that time not everyone had encountered evades on the level we have today, more people use them and they are therefore noticable. I think I can't remember if I agreed with you in this thread.

Fun? The only thing you can really do is spam mod, only thing that you are sure will have some kind of effect unless you want to go with staffmastery and a conlock build (which is worse then warjurers)

I played a warlock long before you had your first necrostacypoints.

The difference between playing a marksman and a warlock is that warlocks die faster, their defense is totally screwed unlike a marksman which is easy to maneuvrer and keep alive in a fortfight and also on a hunting trip, Not as good getaways as a hunter but he can definately keep himself alive.

that doesn't make you invincible :)

I did

Do you know what this spell does?

I think you meant conjurers :P

You do :D Did you tried to survive fort war without defence? I did :D

Yes i know i have it on 5.

I did too, it last longer than my warlock, maybe because as marksman i can attack from more range than anyone and with the hunter i can attack from invisibility.

Even with that no one wants to remove acrobatic :P

Yes but when ignis use 3 sultars in row it is hard. And lately they have bad habit of keeping close to the wall.

Dont tell me you have to survive because you are an archer.

Never noticed they had to survive where all other classes die.

If i don't have defence and any other class have? You said that you see no idea why we have defence. In fort we die without it faster then others (beside locks :P). Btw. why lock should have defence?

Archers in general have far far better defences than warlocks, archers have better defensive spells, archers have more armour, archers can run away faster,

And dont even try compareing wind wall with sotw...

I did? Where. I love all this blind throwing shit on archers. You want run away choose barb. You want defence be a f* knight and kill my pet as fast as barb without loosing hp like him.
Can you all stop that whining?
I have no sotw i hate it. I have no spell elude and after next patch i will drop dodge for natural armor so give me a brake with this blah blah i am so poor i can't escape, you evade (then he loot +5evade tunic, cast mod+wind wall, +4dext gloves and have hypntizing amu and still whine about evade among archers).
Just play this f* game or quit.
I don't fight in forts that much cause of poor knights but every kniths will say that is ti sok that he block, cool but why all his friends should have this ability.
If archers are so cool then choose an archer.

End of transmision.

Sorry i have enough.

So we are all so tired.

- Tired of the knigths blocking too much one day and dieing in 2 secs 5 mins after.

- Tired of the archers who never evade/resist except when they figth

- Tired of being from the elite but no one notice we are.

- Tired of rants about people being tired about things who make me tired.

- Tired of hearing how people commands you to "learn to play" when they dont even know how to do it.

- Tired of luck deciding figths and people who suggest you to use x skill, didnt they noticed the rant about luck?

- Tired of 1 year without balance.

- Tired because i leveled 8 hours and now i am tired.

- Tired of discussing what has a class to do with people who only know one way to kill something, dont try to convince there is another way.

So i better suggest, if you are tired, dont post you are tired, because that only makes us feel more tired.

Also i sugges trying another games, i am from the WoW community (Waiting on Warhammer :P )

I am also tired of being tired.
You want espresso? with cinamon and little sugar? :D I can make nice one :P

I cant say no to that things.

Do you smoke? I have some tasty shit rigth here xD

I don't smoke :P
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Good night. :]

then why do you compare it to luck spells?

this is the proof of what regnum has become, relying too much on pure defense. You know you can interupt a spell like that by throwing some canceling cc on the guy right? That'll help the whole group

I do?
Right. He can have di, wind wall etc. and it is hard to do if you are dizzied, and there is dozen other targets. You think that all locks are stupid and charge on group casting terror just like that?

wrong word of choise, you listed it along with a lot of luck spells/powers
not stupid, heroic ;), I can sneak a terror in just fine.

DI, you'll need another person for this, you won't for sotw, dodge and spell elude.

Dizzy, heh, then maybe use your range... You should have a marksman too afaik but play your hunter more.

Another point of what regnum has become. Warlocks are at the moment the weakest class in the game.

I cant wait enough for the staff mastery changes that MegriM virtually promised, its sad that they might not happen now. :ranting:
Having a decent staff attack without having to spend 20 points (and manage 4-5 extra buffs) in SM would be just what warlocks need to compete.

Imo the classes in balance are like so:

#1 Archers - The Marksman is what I would call a finished class, I have no problem with the defense of a marks, because imo all classes will have defense like that someday (hopefully??) The hunter dosen't have defense, it has a completely different type of system related to defense, its a system where it simply makes them hard to reach, hunters have shitty attack, but hopefully hunters can make it through a year now without an update just like warriors. The problem with hunters imo is that atm they are based on more of a hunting style totally, making it impossible for them to play in fort wars. The hunters need changes, but unfortunatly, theres been all the time in the world for that, now its time for NGD to open its doors to the other classes who sit in the dust.

#2 Mages - The conjurer is fine, its been shown via staff mastery there are no problems with attack and defense, imo the only changes a conj need done are getting more exp. Warlocks, its extremely close to warriors, after you take a deeper look at it, the warlock IS underpowered, the evades on oponnents are insane, most of the attacks have a long casting time, and their offense is fueled by areas. A warlock has no defense, unless through the help of an energy barrier, a warlock is usually the 1st dead ranged class in fort wars.

#3 Warriors - I have no comment :)

Balancing is so messed up in Regnum, theres HUGE differences between a PvP to determine balance between classes, than there is to determine balance in a RvR

Im not trying to drive away people from Regnum, but this game makes so much stress on a player himself, its because its not a finished game, its changed constantly, people who can't bear with that should have other games or activities to do.

About balance: I think we need a fix on random evasion/blocked/resisted rate (sometime it's godmode, sometimes it's epic failure). We need something more deterministic to judge. However I have the feeling that Marksman tanks too much while warlock needs better defense. Barbarian are a bit overpowered they need some cap on dammage. I'd say hunter and knight are quite fine like that IMO. Conjuror are overpowered but it's like that for all healing class :)

Edge makes a good point that the game is still to a point "unfinished" many classes and trees are "unfinished" and also balance in RvR is a lot harder to acheive than balance in PvP, Hunters are leant towards 1 on 1s and fights with small groups, so its not supriseing they have trouble at forts.
Warlocks on the other hand are lent towards forts, they have many areas and auras, but long cast time bites for one on ones.
"Overpowered" classes are mostly what i would consider the more finished ones, like marksman, were as some other classes still have many spell issues etc...

In my opinion Archers are the most powerfull class in the game, cept maybe barbs/conjus, Because they are largely "finished" save a few tracking bugs and long bow issues, I do think that whenever most hunters see a hunters are too good thread they instantly start throwing in evasion "fails" often from forts were as I have said they are not at there best, Hunters in the WZ are by far the greatest solo pvp character, they sacrifice fort effectiveness for that, you can not be a jack of all trades,
Why not give barbs tons of defence?
Or knights more attack power?
Or warlocks short cast times?
Or Marksmen speed?

See were im comeing from with this? Please dont take this as a anti hunter rant im just trying to get a point accros that you cant be good at everything.

Anyone that thinks that another class is better than theres should just play that class, end of story. I did it and found peace finnaly

Hunters the greatest pvp character ? are you kidding me, I prefer my barbarian for PvP (even without SC and Ripost). Hunters are very good for small group fight and hunting where they lead 5 allies with them (why 5 ? because of stalker).

However I think hunter for PvP is a joke against Knights, Marks, Barbs, Warjuror.

Hunters however unlike any other class can escape many situations, and largely PICK the fights they want to take or leave. This makes them a very powerfull class as they can find the best opponant they know they can beat and avoide any were they will die.

Ok...

I've had my Internet reconnected now that the storm is over, but I'm not even going to read the replies to me in this thread, because I can tell from the last few pages that a few people have started going out of line, citing how long they have been playing as well as other factors to show how right they are.

The thing that none of you seem to realize is that you don't determine what is balanced. NGD determines what is balanced, and what is supposed to be. You guys really need to grow up, and I won't be reading/posting in these threads anymore, because feelings and opinions get turned into weapons here.

If you talk to anyone outside the forums they will say the same thing. There's a reason people don't read it.

Regards.

Join the club, I find the forums the type of thing that makes me puke, aside from a spam topic and a few good ones that have to do with the community (the spanish forum has generally alot of the same too, but from what I see theres actually laughing and some fun topics) alot of you should lighten up and live again, theres nothing but bitching, whining, and most of all, fighting, in EVERY little aspect, find me a thread in general discussion without people fighting in it, the one time I even saw someone new ask a question that was stupid, but he really didn't know it, and everyone was acting so harsh on the person, for no damn reason. Theres a fight everywhere you go, because everyone think's thier point of view is right. You would think people would give up trying to convince people, seeing as how most of us here are not open-minded.

someone will disagree with you on something and it starts a whole flame war.

some people take the game way to seriously, its because they don't have better things to do.

Most of the people in these forums have no self-rightousness either, you see alot of sheep that follow the shepard. Someone has a similar point of view with you, and next thing you know its a faction war in the forums, my team versus yours, we forget to look at each other as human begins aswell, after a bad update all the nasty shit goes on NGD, over my time here ive heard it all from we'll burn you NGD to NGD is nothing but a bunch of money obssesed faggots that want my money. Pleeease, why do you play?

Ask yourself why you play the game, if you got a reason, stick to that reason ignoring all other shit, if you don;t got a reason get on with your life.

Yep....
Liven up. Don't sweat the small stuff. :)

Look katie, even if it surprises you we really think we are whining about something who destroys the game.

If you arrive here and command us, once again, to learn to play or to discover new tactics you have no rigth to get angry when you suggest you to shut up.

It always amazed me the amount of people who arrives here wanting to figth and when they get involved in the figth they started they rant about how much people figths here.

You can call our opinions garbage, saying how much you played with your 4 lvls 50 and how good you are but later you say people tries to prove their points saying they played for a long time.

I guess i showed my point, tactics vs luck are useless in this game, archers and knigths can spec themselves with a gameplay based on luck and they have fair options vs anyone in this game using 0 tactic. Also mages can add even more luck with protection dome and knigths buff all with a fantastic 50% block rate.

Call it overpowered or whatever you want, but there is a lot of players winning figths with even knowing what they are doing.

I find that extremely annoying and gamebreaking and i saw it thousand of times and i am sure i am not the only one who things it as people showed in this thread.

That its specially wrong with archers, because they are a ranged class, with good speed damage and range, if you add the possibility of avoiding all your attacks with simply luck it just breaks it.

So if you think we have no fucking idea, we need to learn to play and we dont know what tactics we need to use, ok, thats fine. But dont get angry if dont give a shit about what are you saying Mrs "Elitist" Katiechan.

Because you can be so good but you are not the only one :P

Perhaps you should pay better attention to peoples' posts before saying such garbage.

You really should take a look back on how I have approached things in this thread prior to the "discussions" that you and others started that weren't even in relation to the original topic.

Not once will you find me behaving like you do. It is your imagination and your own aggression.

I believe if you look at my post history my behavior is never anything like the greater majority of this forum. With the exception of some issues over a year ago, I have always tried to be helpful, and whenever I have to state my opinion, I back it up with facts and experience, not just empty sayings.

Of course, there is always someone to poke holes, and point out why experience is not experience, simply because they have been playing longer. The ironic part is, half of them don't even play the game anymore.

Edge is right, no one here is openminded at all. And many simply have no business posting.

Regards.