Playing and abilities: Knights
 

Note for the people who see this thread now, all setups until page 9 are outdated because of the big balance update launched in July 2010. However, there is still some valuable advice left on the first 9 pages.

Ok, lets make this thread:


Marksman
Hunter
Warlock
Conjurer
Barbarian


My current setup is
slashing lvl 7
passive dexerity

blunt lvl 7
passive strenght

piercing lvl 15
balestra(4) great spell :P
agile manouvre(1) to take the gate down
ripost(4)nothing to say
agility(2)atm no other place to store the points, slashing-resistance always usefull
brain piercing(1) useful vs mages with their big blue spheres at the staves

tactics lvl 11
feint(3) one of the spells I like the most
spring(3) speed is the core of an MMORPG
(caution) lvl 50 archer guards hit me for 40 with it(current armor is very good vs piercing(duelist)

vanguard(19)
taunt(1) useful to call aggro mobs out of clouds of aggro mobs and to get rid of "somons"(if warlocks don't want them) and pets
provoking blow(2) great vs archers in this evasive days
stone temple(5) health and knock down resistance
stars shield(5) only aura I have atm, it's nice
Army of One(5) you could call it god-mode

shields(15)
Next lvl I will get deflecting barrier
precise block(4) I LOVE IT!
shield bash(4) only dizzy spell I have at the moment
block(4) I am a block change junky
protector(1) I use it to cover myself while retreating
run over(1) might put some points in it, I don't like being knocked down

Ok, that was it.

Sorry, but I dont like this build. Use only 1 type weapon? -.- 2 wep its min, but best is 3 type, great idea.
19 vanguard, ok someone like AoO, not me but why dont add 5 too troll skin? 450 life more.
Now I use 10 piercing (2balestra, 2 passiv, 2 ripost, 2 passiv)
19 blunt! Crazyy dizzyy!,this skill with disped skills and best passiv
15 slashing (south cross!)
19 shield (I dont like only 5 passiv blok, 5 lowser blok chance :/)
vanguard 15... ye, without AoO, 30 sec it's too low duration, its nice in big battle but.... I prefer 19 shield, 3 type wep
Now I use this build and its very nice.

Ok here's mine :)
 

Slashing 15: South Cross at 4 and Passive at 3. I might use disable limb lvl 1 sometimes.

Blunt 15: Forceful Blow and Mind Squasher at 4, Passive at 3. I use ribs breaker lvl 1 when balestra is on cooldown or when i need to stop 2 enemies.

Piercing 7: Mostly for the range. I use lvl 1 balestra cause imo it's often enough.

Tactics 13: Feint, Caution and Spring at lvl 3. I use Defensive Stance lvl 1 sometimes when cleaning up infront of the fort door (i don't have to move around that much then)

Vanguard 19: AoO, Stone Temple and Arcane Constitution at 5. AoO is nice as long as you have a conju nearby. Without someone filling up your mana AoO is just to expensive to use, still a great skill though. Troll's skin at lvl 1 because 450 hp isn't worth 4 skill points.

Shields 19: Shield Bash at 3. Precise Block, Block Passive and Deflecting Barrier at 5

That's it but i probably forgot something. Sometimes i miss my old higher dmg setup but this one's better for my allies. Never underestimate lvl 1 skills ;)

Atm i use 6 weapons: Fast and Slow slashing, Medium and slow blunt, Medium and Slow Piercing

There's only left about Barbarian and Hunters :ohill: :ohill: :ohill: :ohill:

you play a barb as far as I know, valterbla ;)

Heh should a pt post here?;)
my setup:
slash 9(use a fast axe great for mages) everything at 1 cept disable limb lvl2(with sprint its ok for archers)
blunt 15(slow hammer) brutal impact lvl4,str pasive lvl4 mind squash pierce resist also at 4.use crushing too its awsome.
Pierce 11(slow spear) balestra and ripost at 3.i keep all 1st weapon spells at lvl1 because 100% weapon damage is good enought alone+low mana cost
tactics 11 sprint lvl3.i keep feint at lvl1 because of the low mana cost.caution is very very important and recast it everytime you can
Vanguard 15 stone temple lvl4.i keep arcane at lvl1 because my armour+caution soap enought damage.troll skin is lame but hey 150hp never hurt anyone.taunt is awsome for pets especialy in 1on1s with hunters.challange is a good spell too...
Shields 19 precise,block pasive,deflecting at lvl5 and shield bash at 4.protector i use sometimes to tank but it aint that good(no real purpose),deflect is good to cast when there are alot of archers around(with blunt pasive its 30% pierce resistance),heroic is awsome for warrior rushes if only it lasted more(right now too much mana short duration),and shield wall is good when you see znurre rushing:p
few tips.dont mix armours.get newest with most AP.tested it and resistances are total crap.use damage reducting spells and auras even at lvl1 because every little matters and can be the difference between giving and getting rp.PLEASE....kill the pets and guards 1st...rp is less important then saving a life of your teammate...use faster weapons for destroying doors...

Tips for 1on1...
Vs hunter
keep him close, keep him dizzy, keep him knocked...use balestra,disable limb(any lvl is good),sprint and taunt for the pet...kill the pet 1st...dont waste mana when they are using sotw...use mind squash to clear the buffs
Vs marks
imho easier then hunters...use balestra,mind squash,disable...its the same deal as with the hunters only no pet and no camo...
Vs warlocks...keep your blocks always on...use shield bash as much as posible and knock when they are casting spells(standing still)...try to use full damage combo's at the beggining of the fight because later you will have no mana...
Vs conjus...
Support conjus are easy when alone just mind squash them when they are buffed and keep dizzy...warjurers are much harder...you need to taunt the zarkit dizzy the conju,kill the zarkit then deal with the mage...without a zarkit they are a joke and 1dizzy+knock should give you enought time to kill them...
Vs barbs...look at what weapon they use and find a counter one...use mind squash to remove buffs and then balestra...try gutting and ripost or impale and gutting...after balestra hit them with crushing and knock...if you see that even after mind squash some weapon dmg is low dont try force using that skill tree...keep them dizzy with shield bash....the normal attacks can be lowered with caution...if you have aoo you can use it but never without precise block....NEVER!or you risk a mind squash and loss of 500mana...
Vs knights...this is like with barbs but when you see they are higher 3lvls then you dont try to fight them normaly...play dirty...get aggros on im and keep him from running away wit balestra or ribs...
Well those were just some lame tips hope some1 gets best out of them and becomes better(not better then me:p)....

Boger should post there :]

Or Twix :p

I use only one weapon because I am very bad at switching them :) And I want the last area-spell of spears, AoO and maxed shields, so I can' t have more weapon disciplines. I have my points in stone temple instead of troll's skin because it doesn't cost mana, has no casting time and gives resistance against knock down.

I agree with Krs. Blunt is a very good discipline for knights(it hurts when I have it used against me...) and on a hunt with Krs, it just showed how well his setup works ;)

Dky im not sure that you can be very effective with one weapon,especialy on lower level...imo better combine now and later max spears....

But especially at lower lvl In don't have the points to do that.

really?how?i mean you cant have them all at 15...

Well this isnt my real set up but this is my current one :p

Spears:19
Vanguard:19
Shields:19
Tactic:19
Rest of points on hammers for the strength passive
(sorry i dont post my skills xD)

Aries.

4 disciplines at 19? How do you do that?

He's a h4x0r :p

Btw not even mages can get all 4 to 19 and have enough points to have another one to 7.

Yeah, only lousy points left for beetle swarm or feline dexterity, to piss off some people ^^

Oi this is a knight playing and abilities thread not a discusion about skill points...btw aries...was that a joke?

Sorry if this seems obvious but... in slashing and blunt, which passives do you mean? the weapon resistance ones or the dex/str ones.

str passive, for slashing, don't know ;)

Im guessing blunt resistance in slash?dex aint that important....

The resistance ones, str passive would be nice but not enough points.

Gotcha thanks.

another setup...

shields 17 precise,shield bash,pasive blocks abd deflecting at 4
vanguard 15 stone temple at 4
tactics 15 sprint 4,trip 3
blunt 15 brutal impact,strenght pasive,mind squash and pierce resistance at 4
piercing 11 balestra and ripost at 3
slashing 9 disable limb at 2

this one is nice aint it?;)

what level setup is that misaccc?

44...on 47 i will post my god setup^^

that was the quickest response ever.

No AoO or maxed shields? I would miss that too much.

you got deflect on lvl4 that aint bad...and you can stop more people and fight on yer own...

Howto Take out pet-hunters
 

While grinding and wandering through the warzone I developed a tactic for knights to scare away or even kill high level hunters with pet.

You'll need:
a spear with balestra (3th spell in piercing)
army of one(10th of vanguard)
high level shield, try to get it maxed and put points into block and precise block, you need to block key-spells if you want to win.
mind squasher(8th of blunt)
and of course the usual stuff: feint, shield bash, spring, caution, etc.

When a hunter attacks you, cast Army of One(500 mana is a lot, but you don't need much spells against a pet, you'll regenerate a part of your mana), weapon buffs and taunt the pet. In case you hit extremely low the hunter probably casted skin of the beast, dispell this with mind squasher. If you're lucky you'll manage to kill the pet and have 1/2-1/3 health left. Of course you need some luck, like blocking ambush, stunning fist or confuse but when I had full health I always managed to kill the pet. After pet is dead some of hunter's evasion buffs might have run out too.

Run towards the hunter. Some hunters don't want to fight without pet and run, try to catch them with balestra. When you are close to the hunter release your full arsenal, mind squash his buffs, keep him dizzy so he can't cast his evasion-buffs, feint him. If he casts SotW and keeps attacking cast precise block+protector and pray to the gods of RNG. If you survived until now and you got the hunter's health down he'll (try to) run away at a certain moment. He can use escapist, use balestra and mind squasher, SotW, use mind squasher, this might be your lucky day, or just mobility.

If he manage to get away from you follow him out of combat mode to regenerate mana and health. Do not abort the fight if the gap between you and the hunter is not huge, he'll shoot in your back and you can do nothing. Have a spear equipped an your finger at the balestra-shortcut Use spring to keep at least a little close and keep your buffs always on. A hunter will try to turn around and launch an ensnaring arrow/tear apart/break apart/ambush at you. Use this to get close. If you're knocked down the hunter will keep shooting at you. When you're up or blocked/resisted the ambush, or the hunter just launched another spell at you try to get close to him, many hunters turn around just a little too late. In this stadium of the fight you need to kill the hunter or he'll kill you/escapes.

If he kills you, get back there as soon as possible and get revenge, he's on low health now and you're full. If he manages to camouflage rest to gain full health and mana and run around with all your buffs on, he'll return; go back to step 1. Sometimes the gap between you and the hunter becomes huge, take a rest. Hunter and you will have full health and are fully buffed. Go back to step 1. If you can abort the fight without getting shot in the back and the hunter and you are reaching his home realm, abort, there's a big change of running into his realmmates. The hunter will be back, return to step 1. If you manage kill him, yeeeh!

I hope that this is useful for knights, thanks for reading.

Just a suggestion, use Heroic Presence instead of Army of One.

Hunter doesnt do massive damage so the armor reduction works really well with them, heroic presence in 1 its enough and you have a similar results and 60 secs instead of 30. Also you will not need to put vanguard at 19.

A syrtian knigth taugth me that the other day while i was trying to kill him....

I have no pet but I really like you to do that on me, just to see how it works on a crappy hunter like me :)

I always woundered if you should target the pet or the hunter to dispel this effect?
I have only tried it on the hunter and it didnt work it only dispeled his acrobatic so i asume it works like a buff on the pet :/

Yep all pet buffs does.

I don't use AoO against the hunter, but against the pet. Armor reduction works not very good against mobs with slow weapons(cyclops). I could use heroic against non-pet hunters.

I tested mind squasher on a pet which apparently skin of the beast on had. After mind squasher my damage on the pet incresed from 70-120 to 300-350.

What?wasting an AoO on a hunter...pfft...all you need is maxed shields blunt 15 pierce 11...when the hunter attacks cast precise and caution,balestra the pet,ripost, gutting,normal hit...the pet is dead,rush the hunter and mind squash,knock, crushing,knock,damaging spell,normal hits and sprint+balestra when you regen mana for it...recast precise when it wears off but never if you just used some cc spell...

11 skills? guess it depends on your spell lvls and Int but that cant leave much left over, and running to regen from a hunter? That cant realy work right? with peirce on 11 you can get balestra on 2 or with blunt, crusing on 3 thats not many seconds to regen mana with...

heres another better metod...lvl3 disable limt and balestra(for escapist)....no escape....

when running after the hunter...and with pierce 11 you can have bale on 3:p
crushing is only worth on lvl1(still a great spell imo)

Disable limps doesn't always works
the damage hit the target but the effect no (its a bug or maybe that's the way it should be with a % of luck for the effect like mind squasd