Syrtis needs appointed Generals
 

As the thread topic states, :syrtis: needs appointed Generals. The level of disorganization is enough to make me want to shoot my own realm mates at times.

Discuss.

Count me in >.>

xD

Kidding.


Would be nice to see :syrtis: with tactics, would be a great challange ^^

Nah. Who, appointed by whom, timezones, all that jazz which is mere details. Main reason is I don't wan't anyone telling me what the fuck to do. I interpret "fight for your realm" as stated by NGD to be the only requirement in whatever way I want, be it charging at a stand-off ruining our strategy, playing a conju as a warju, rushing over and over and over alone giving free rp, etc. That's my choice and it's within NGD's "requirements". The only appointed general is NGD, like it or not. Switch realms if you don't like it, seriously, no offence meant whatsoever. The only people I will listen to are the ones that have gained my respect as players, and I still *choose* to listen to them, I don't *have* to.

That discussion enough for ya? Case fucking closed as far as I am concerned.

Thank you for providing a case in point.

and I believe you want to be the general? Then we'd lose

When I get my new computer I can give syrtis some tactics along with my clan, we're able to play with tactics and teamplay which is something we encourage

Geneal? Kim ofc :)
His tactics are worth listening and completing. I like when he leads action. We never fail then (ofc if all listen)
It should be started from clans. Each clan has its own tactic leader and so on. Later clan leaders can have meeting (like once before) and vote and organise leadership in Syrtis, tactics, training and stuff. But there can be again probs with time zones, rl busy etc but it might work

No general, I wanna be princess!

On the topics, yeah one or more war leaders could be usefull.

I have no problem in having a leader, but someone playing carebears giving real orders is stupid.

sounds alright i surpose the only problem is that we would need around 7 of them or so for when the other generals arent playing. Also their is the language barrier as well as those who don't listen as well as some who just hate others and wouldnt follow them for a couple million. I think it would more rip syrtis apart than help us. Their isnt a particular amount of tactics this game can use anyway and for most of them we don't really need generals we just need more people to come help and if we did have generals 10 bucks say they would hate constantly getting told to come help as we all would.

I can hear you aren't inside my brain XD

ok so maybe their is, there not so complicated that whoevers up the front of the pack can lead the group still no need for generals

Oh no?



As Syrtis at this time can only win with superior numbers only.
You could have 1000 more players online but is wont inprove
the realms game play 1 iota.
You lot should Listen to Valorius and other people like him
a bit more, you could only benefit from them, whether they have
the title Generals or not

Edit: corrected spelling

I second this, there's no need for generals, everyone is free to do whatever he she wants to do and shouldn't be tied to a "general"
this is a game val not the army, before you learn this you will never be able to play fully optimal
neither does gpomal
because he will fall
for being too tall
and his shoes untied

I'm rhyming, ignore the bullshit XD

Sometimes we really need a leader.

The organisation, especially in Fort Wars at Samal is really bad.

I can't hear "Germans atras" anymore.

Many people were standing at the fort, some people are fighting at the front...


Then the people at the fort thet did nothing were overrun by the Ignis Army...

o.O Play with who? The only high lvls in clan now is Biwie you and Boomer.

Ahh I dunno, I think Syrtis are getting abit better.

Like for example, the other day at PB; we were waiting at PB, to go to herb, when we see a Syrtian army approaching. So we all buff up, and wait for the charge.

A few seconds later, we all suddenly see ~1000 done to all of us. "Wtf?" I think When I see that its Val; come out of camo, Rep shot'd everyone, then straight into sotw.

"Oh bloody typical Val" I think to myself, and we all go about trying to get Val.

Of course, oblivious to us, the Syrtian army approaches as we are distracted by Val.

I then get hit by several Terrors, numberous Fire balls and god knows what else - To say we were destroyed would be an understatement.

So fairplay to Val and Syrtis, they certainly got us that time :thumb:

Shame Val cant see this ¬_¬

I think he can, I belive he dosen't Ignore anyone. Infact he LOVES to listen to what we say

Yea thats call the bait em and weep strategy, I see alsuis do it alot with low levels ^^

thats not true your underestimating syrtis for our coordination like i used to underestimate alsius because of their numbers but alsius are some of the strongest (and annoying get out of the country dammit XD) yet a party of two lvl 20's can still do dmg
so if we had 1000 people charging towards a fort with three alsius in it, syrtis wouldn't win?
most of the time i am one of the few who do
yes i agree

i was not saying that having a general wouldn't be a good idea i was pointing out the flaws that there would be with it. also theres not really a need for a title there will always be a leader of a group wheter they realize that or not

Half the time the Syrtians would be too foolish to stay apart and travel together, just to get smashed by Alsirian areas and the survivors finished off by guards.

Oh, and neither would win, the server would just crash.

As brad said I think you guys might underestimate Syrtis. And singling out Val on that team work is stupid. It's a team work, everyone did is job great. But as I said everyone. And I can assure you that the warlocks work ain't easy.

think you mis understood what i said and your reply seems to show that

1000 people against a lesser number will always win but will not make em better players ^^

Agreed Inkster

hm well i surpose it depends on how many of the opposition there are and what lvl and how experienced they are but i do agree with you and i see what you are saying to an extent because if a lvl 1 got a hold of a lvl 50 character he would still be a lvl one he still would be a pt but he would still do dmg to the enemy.

anyway im leaving it at that before i say something stupid and get yelled at
leaders would be a good idea but they don't need the title

You got it dude :thumb:

This happens all the time.

1/2 of our force feels that it's reckless glory seeking to aggressively attack the enemy, the other 1/2 sees it as the most logical way to control access to the fort.

So what you end up getting is 1/2 of the force doing all the killing until the enemy gets enough guys for a push, wiping out most of the 1/2 before they can retreat, as the other 1/2(oft times players who will not even make a single action to help their 'selfish' comrades trying to return to the fort while under heavy fire) stands by the fort screaming atras. Of course once the enemy gets to them they are too few in numbers to even defend the gate in almost all cases, and you get an overrun fort within minutes.

Whether the plan is to stay forward and aggressively attack, or sit back and defend the fort from the walls/gate, it would be FAR FAR FAR more effective if we all acted according to the same overall plan.

Last night at Stone vs Ignis we took the fort door down, and despite having parity in numbers and lvls, only 3-4 players would actually go inside the fort to try and reclaim it. (Or for that matter make a big push to the door to get the Smurfs to all go inside for cover) Meanwhile the other dozen plus would stand outside firing into the door or at the walls. Net result was that it took us a full 30 minutes or so longer to retake than it should have.

And for the love of God Syrtis, in battles, kill or confuse the enemy Conjurors first, whenever feasible. I can not even express how many players will shoot at anything but conjurors, or pay no particular mind to what they're shooting at all.

I understood your point.

Your point was that qualitatively Syrtis is at a disadvantage due to inferior teamwork and leadership. Syrtis wins- when it does- via a quantitative edge.

For the most part that is true, but there are exceptions. I've killed 15 enemy with just a small handful of German Guardians at my side quite a few times. When the Daggers used to all play, we did the same thing on many occasions. Last night at Trelle 5 of us held vs 15 very spirited defenders for a good 30+ minutes.

But i've been in far more battles where 20 syrtis will just get steamrolled at PB or PP by an equal enemy force because the syrtis forces have no plan and don't take even the simplest tactical precuations to prevent getting wiped out. Like spreading out a little (not to be confused with stringing out or wandering off). Or seeking cover to minimize enemy ranged attacks and deny them the ability to track you in advance. Doing those 2 things vastly improves our sides chance of success at either bridge.
Here's another tip. Locks, at fort battles, once we are at the door, rotate MoD coverage. Keep it CONTINUOUS. This totally prevents the enemy from popping out and casting all those nasty areas on the guys trying to take the fort door down. It also nuetralizes the enemy Locks MoD if they pop out of the door. When you're running to a battle, if you have an area or some special attack, give a shout out in general or party chat, "I have lvl 5 catrips, i can group slow the enemy 70%"(or whatever). This way, your team mates will know what to expect out of you, and you out of them. When you get up to the line of troops massing to take the fort, tell them "30 secs for Caltrips", so you can coordinate areas. Actually make an effort to coordinate them to begin with. It's the little things.

Cooperation is the key to more :syrtis: victories.

Good leaders instill and recognize cooperation in their charges, be it in battle or in business.

PS: A lot of syrtis players need to seriously re-examine thier builds. When we have 20 players onscene to retake stone and can't muster 4 players with area attacks 2 nights in a row, we have a realm-wide build problem.

I find my self agreeing with Valorious in this last point about communication, though not about his general idea.

I alo agree with Anpu's earlier post. From my persepective the best way to get better communication and tactics is work through the clan system.

Two weeks ago we had quite a party of White Company and GoP. We continually hunted ignis around Jabe/beach save/PB/and around CS. Using party chat, sticking together, and coordinating our attacks. Very successful. I wish that could happen more often.

Stfu Val!!!!!
 

shhhhhhhh we already have this remember i recruited you to it.

ppl look no foward syrtis has a consil for now but me and val are only fluent englsih speakers but jevus speaks a litle.

what we need is another englsih speaker and german will help all we need is that you are war active maybe espike a liltle espanol would help alot great stratigist and can keep secrets.

PM for positions in the consil of syrtis, i know for some of you this sounds like BS but its true and sadly we have litle partisipation within the english comunoty so im looking for voluntiers although the requierments sound alot like val we need someone else, and again german speaking will help alot with killing 2 birds with one stone and have more slots open. please PM or anything if you would like to join so far we are only 4 and rarely active you guys might reconize us by some briliant ideas and screaming also spaming in in syrtis chat with REJUNTE EN STONE PARA GUERRA ORGANIZADA and the 12% the reason why syrtis has been more organized lately and holding forts for hours :wink:

oh boy.:mf_hide:

see what i mean the situation is bad that is why at pinos the other day mjc was being an ass trying to curse and swear in english u guys dont understand my shity english or got me on ignore, val is a big+ on that but hes a junior member and we hadnt had time to explain strategys ect to much to type and me soooo lazy which is why we are not some many.

in another point if someone that is fluent in alot of langueges very good at war ect sings up all syrtis has to know is lisen to the consil and thats it, our strategys cant get out if not herbread wont have a syrtis flag for DAAAYS!

yea i would like to add something, srry for triple posting

#miraculix- thank you for not being a hippy and fiting in NGD's "requirments" :thumb:

#anpu yes thats why i made my clan rankigs are based on war experiance with level restricitions to prevent ptness(im more than enoth that syrtis/my clan needs) and there is (in spanish unfortunaly) a alliance of clans called la liga de syrtis/ the luge of syrtis wich i just joined that is a group of clans that organize them selvs in war the consil is inthere and since i just singed up today it might take a while for my ranks to go up and being able make the english version of it.

#mann1224- buddy trsut me u dont even know and neither does AWDs imagination he doesnt even know what war is like, the consil aldough smal is loaded with tactics and solutions to their weaknesess but all that stops us is ofcourse ppl not lisening a litle languege barier and ofcourse haters, but since the consil is secret in strategys we wont have to worrya bout a thing of leaders fighting because what happens in consil stays there we are very careful in who goes in and how we share our stuf.


p.s SOMEONE PLEASE TRY OUT FOR CONSIL!!!! ppl are not lisening anymore to me and lokura and val and jevus barely log on anymore :ohill:

number one its brad not mann2411 or whatever you called me
number two i aint your buddy friend
number three exactly how many of those stratergies will actually do something, trust me they usually sound alot better in your head than they work. theres still the chance that it may go wrong.

ps if we do have appointed generals whats gonna happen when nobody listens to them? you cant force people to follow what you say and although they make work there will still be those who don't listen.

In battles to liberate our forts, and often in battles at other forts, it will not be just your clan there, but members of as many as 10 or more different clans.

The best place to be in a battle is gen chat, because you can see clan, party, and gen all at once.

LOL, to be honest i forgot all about you asking me about that Gigo.

a council? well, I think no one will listen to that council which is only good, if people listened to you and val we would lose for sure.
And one more thing, you don't know what's going on in my head, you're a warjurer and you say people should listen to you in war? Yeah right.

you will never learn about teamplay and war until the day you decide to be a support conjurer, team work is teh way.

ohh please hippy head the consil is more than us 2 im just one of the key members the 3 of 4 equal members and u hippy barely even go to wars all you to is trow flowers and cast flower power instead of terror. i do suport dip sht its my job ofcourse but i want to have fun while im at it its boring being a medic.

and its not just lisening to me its syrtis to its self :wink:

gigo I don't understand a thing of what you just said :P

1 i do heal and give mana because i accept it as my duty
2 you barely help in wars what do you know about them...i will easily find a defult in it
3 im not saying syrtis should lisen to me and val im saying it should lisen to its self.

1. but you also fight at the same time? Hm seems like you took upon my advice then XD
2. how do you know that, are you on 24/7 to say I don't? One thing is for certain, I know more than you do :p
3. listen to itself...? To realise that when half the people scream atras and the other half areas it's noobish? they do what they think is right.

pt please PM me one of your ideas ill send u everything that can go worng and if its worth ill add you as a conselier to the consil.