Marksman build
 

im new to the game and was just wondering what the best build would be fora marksman and dont tell me "experiment you can type/reset_power" i want a legit set up
thanks,-jezaru

Well, could you tell your level?
And about the "experiment /reset_powers" later on you have to, since not everyone has the same style of playing.

But first, please tell us your level

60 i screwed up my build and this is my first character

Well there is no best marks setup.
Just use the setup the way you make you feel confortable

It also depands if you are hunting or be more at fort wars

yeah i know the hunting setup i just wanted some guidence on a pvp set up

i don't think you are new at all :P....i found out about /reset_power just about 3-4 months :P...wtv ...there become a a fashion about when create a new acount to submit a thread like this one.....
And also there is a section named :"questions to comunity".

If you need someone else to make your setups for you, the setup won't matter. You're gonna suck regardless of how you skill your character.

the reason i know about it is because ive searched the threads and have seen posts about the reset and this is my legit first forum acc i usually dont comment because other people will have the same question but i decided to step up and ask and try to get straight forward answers so can we get back on topic? lol not trying to sound rude :3 and this is general discussion so i thought id be able to post it here

and Vandaman if you came her to critisize me why post something anyways? this is how threads get off topic and i could read through every single skill and see what ones i should get for pvp but im sure someone already has a setup they could share?

I'm not criticizing, I'm advising. Don't act like a butthurt newb, thank me for taking the time to give you the best advice in this thread. If you have other people make your setup for you, it won't be a setup for you, it'll be a setup for them.

And this is why I say you'll suck anyway. Having someone pick out skills for you is not a replacement for learning what all the skills do.

well you coulda said that in your first post instead of youll suck anyway. it wouldve been easier if you said letting other people pick your skills out wont get you any where its smarter to read through and find what would suit you best. then i wouldnt see it as critizing. thanks for the advice

I'm kinda confused how you're new and you have a lvl60 character :bangin:
That is if you lvled him up yourself...hm...:bangin:

new as in i took over a year break and im start up again. i was hoping for some set up opinions to see if i actually knew any of it lol

I made this setup for you Jezaru:

http://trainer.claninquisition.org/t...FGubhaaLmwdaaa

Hybrid pvp/war/versatility setup, try it out!!

Teh best marks setup ever!

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you didn't give us anything to go off of man.

mainly shortbow or longbow? do you suck? can you strafe? are you warmaster? 1v1s? rvr?

http://trainer.claninquisition.org/t...gmuLFfaaqaeaza

i made a hybrid shortbow and longbow setup for you going off of nothing, i don't know if you suck or not... so i don't know if you'll be comfortable with dirty fighting (5)... i mean if they get out of your range you can always freeze but... you just seem like you're not a good marksman so here's a build that's easier to use

http://trainer.claninquisition.org/t...hmuLFfabqaeaza

My bad, you forgot cat reflex(5), n00bz :bangin:

Wait what? Are you saying its possible to suck as a marksman?

Right, all you need is to be me, Zeme approves

Yes, you may skill for Winter Stroke(5) and join band of marksmen suckers that spam it mindleslly in most unconvenient moments, but the fact is that it is you that will play in this setup, and it has to suit your needs. So don't be mad at VandaMan, cause he was maybe not polite, but completely right. There is no ultimate setup, and if you'll analyze your gameplay, you will finally reach yours. Then NGD will revise balance and you'll find that your setup is no longer valid.

thanks guys ill prob try all of them out and fix them to my taste startin to get in the hangs of things now so it wont be long lol and yeah dupa i got that i just needed a lead for startin fresh again ya know? and guys feel free to keep posting new setups if you find a better way ill let ya know what i think once i try them or other people will need them

http://trainer.claninquisition.org/t...douJJeaLmddaaa

came up with my own after looking at the ones you guys posted just a quick throw together setup got cat like reflexs in there but could move a few things around what do you guys think?

You basically just proved Van right. Take his advice. Only way to learn what spells to use is to use them, make mistakes, reset, repeat, until you get something that works for you.

yeah but all i wanted was a few builds to get a base set up. and i did thank him for it.

That setup is not so bad :)
But always get parabolic shot atleast on 1, and a defensive buff. You didn't get Evasive Tactics(best dmg reduction, also 2nd best dmg reduction for DoTs), Acrobatic good against all classes and Strategic Position good against marksmen and ranged.

I see you got Cat Reflexes + Finesse. I sometimes wanted to try it but never did. Could you tell me how you went along? :p

Errrmm ... if it fits his style xD

On the other hand - there are so many setup dictators out there, who tell you how to play and how noob you are, just because you don't use exactly the same build they do ... so the best thing each of us can do, is go his way and don't care bout all the "you're noob because you use X,Y,Z"-comments

hahahaha
+1 ten chars post!!
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i noticed it reduced the amount of shots people were putting on me when i used finesse allowing me to escape if needed with minimal damage meaning i got away evading more shots than i usually did try it out if you get the chance. ill try to keep improving the build. i know i need acrobatics and about parabolic shot i mainly planned to try and reduce having to switch between bows too frequently to make everything flow but ill try the build with it

I tried it a week ago in some random encounters. My conclusion is: compared to escapist it's mediocre.

Cat Reflexes (5) + Finesse (5) = 10 used skill points and you evade only 1/7, maybe 1/6 hits. With Escapist you need only 5 skill points and you evade 3-5/7 hits.

The only advantage of the catreflexes/finesse-combination is the 50 sec duration, but for me it's simply not effective enough.

Ach, i tried Finesse without Cat Reflexes too. With the same result. It just confirmed my previous opinion, that Cat Reflexes is an useless filler-skill.

You need defensive buffs also to stay alive. Evasive tactics, acrobatic and strategic position are good. Also retaliation is nice spell, if you get shitloads of dots you can cast it and receive much less dmg. Without any defensive buffs you wont stay alive for long, believe me.
I also find son of the wind pretty important, I always use it at least at lvl3.

I also used to switch bow from fast sb to slow lb, depending of situation. If you do that, one point to rapid shot can be really effective at some situations.
Parabolic shot is kinda must-have for runners with passive range spell called "foresight" that you have already at lvl3. You can cast ethereal arrow or serpent bite from max range as they have "range 0".
Other nice dmg boost spells are imo Maneuver(for long bows) and Dead eye and "Specialist"-passive.
Because you are marks, for obvious reasons stay far away from Shield piercing. For marks it is bad. I am not sure tho what kind of damages dual shot does on marks because I have never tested.

Most passive spells are not worth the points, except at lvl1. Having omnipresent at lvl4 is imo waste of points. I dont think concentration is that effective spell. But anyway if you want passive concentration, better invest the points to "Sentinel" because it also gives small dexterity bonus.

Sudden strike can be also much useful, but I would not skill it higher than lvl1. But I have seen some people using it on higher levels also. For now armors are pretty important what comes to damage resists so reducing enemies armor points you can deal more damage.

Dirty fighting at lvl4 got duration 25seconds and recudes your range -50%. Tho it give nice damage bonus, but 25 secs is still quite long time. You can't hit enemy if he start running out of your range, tho you still can cast spells on him that have fixed range.

About "Finesse"... I personally think that is waste of points. But trying it by yourself you find out does it work and is it worth of 4 power points.

"Cat reflexes" I actually never tested but I could imagine it does not have very big effect. Therefore I would say waste of points. Maybe it works good if you also skill "Escapist". Lately I have been using that and it helps a bit imo. Some people also skill "Dodge" at lvl1 and combine it with "Escapist".

"Wits" gives intelligence. As far as I know it does not have any effect than give you few mana more. I know some people who use it but I wouldnt waste points on that, tho I have already enough mana :P

"Low profile" can also be life saver spell. I see archers using it a lot, when you fall behind others and enemy is about to kill you archers usually cast low profile, and when its effects is gone they cast son of the wind to avoid getting cc'ed again.

"Recharged arrows" is really must-have spell for every marksman. But I guess that you already knew it xD Always use it at max lvl if possible.

"Winter stroke" is also good spell. But if you use it at wrong time it can even save your enemy's life or annoy your realm mates. It can be also used to save your allys life if you freeze barb as example who has kicked down conjurer and is trying to kill him. That gives conju time to run away or use sanctuary.

"Serpent bite"... Last time I remember it had description bugged, showing it does more dmg at lvl3 than at lvl5. The description is wrong, lvl5 does more dmg.

"Ethereal arrow" is also nice spell. It got range 0 so you can use your max range to kill runners. It also always does fixed amount of dmg, so as example if you hit someone for normal hits of 250, then you cast ethereal lvl5 it takes 600hp away from your enemy. Very good spell against knights and steel skinned conjurers. "Arcana strike" works also good against steel skinned conjurers because it does only elemental dmg. I dont personally use that spell because I prefer to invest my points on something else but I have seen many people using it.

"Focus" is not so great spell imo. I rely on my normal hits more than spells. You can hit really hard if you buff up yourself. It also gives -25 movement speed which can be bad on open field fights and hunting.

"Lethal strike" is pretty nice spell too I think. Use it if you want to do high damage on one shot. It has also range 0 so you can use it from far.
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I know noobies need help to know which spells are effective and what is totally crap. I was also once new in this game and didnt really know what spells to use, had no friends to tell me basics so had to figure out everything by myself, so I took time to explain most common spells here.
Not saying only my style using them is right, but it works for me.

I hope this was some help to OP and also others who are new and need some guide

eyfura thanks took a while to read but i got the idea ill switch stuff around and and about the cat reflexs i thought it woulda been better considering its a passive skill but ill compare it to escapist which i thinnk i priorly used a while back ill switch things up and repost the setup

http://trainer.claninquisition.org/t...nFquKDfaLmgdba

took away cat reflexes and finesse put omnipressent to 1 added acrobatics and evasive tactics escapist accidently added dead eye ill switch that to low profile or strategic position. will also lower dirty fighting to 3 because of range.

Ehm funny setup. Seriously funny:
Just will share set i currently use when play my lvl60 marks:
Yeap, it is typical pew pew pew pew pew setup.
http://trainer.claninquisition.org/t...gjuLtfabuFffFf
Rest of points went in hotw:
Notes on that:
1. Lethal Strike is best spell to do over 1k dmg on Eyfura
2. BoW 3 is fine for me, but yep, it won't be enough for good chain in close range if you don't have OP gear (i don't)
3. Alright, 50 range. For me it is okay since i sometimes go for dirty fighting too, so over 20 range and 600 norms, alright
4. No serpent since it does lowish dmg, but ofc Ethereal 5 cuz OP
5. Retail 3+ Strategic 5=most of dot damage nullified
6. No rapid shot since i mostly don't go close range with this set.

EDIT: notes on OP's setup
First: u most likely will be kited down even by some hunters :D
Second: u gonna receive quite lot of damage by other marks :P
Third: serpent bite at 4 is utter crap
Last: wat iz ya marx name, mi son!?

http://trainer.claninquisition.org/t...gwuLLfaeqgeaza

Here try this :)

Some suggestions for ther tricks & evasion skilltrees:

I would max Acrobatics and Evasive tactics, both (5). As an archer u will need them permanently. Also Distracting Shot is definitely more useful than stunning fist (2).
Retaliation (1)? Wasted point.
Sentinel is not really necessary
From my experience Son of the wind is more often used than Escapist, so i would make it (5) and lower Escapist to (3)

I use this for wars when i play my marks (but its quite boring these days so i rather play my hunter), but its perfect for hunting as well imho. I could get more dmg but i feel naked w/o distracting shot :D.

http://trainer.claninquisition.org/t...gDuLLfadoadata + lvl17 WM tree.

Owned xD

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This is actually the setup I'm using and most fun one as well ;
http://trainer.claninquisition.org/t...hiuLEfadqgeaza

Other points are into WM tree :)

Why do you use break apart(1)?