[Hell_bound]

Originally Posted by Inkster

you know whay Mr Bound?

This is probably the most consise and best thread you have ever posted, Kudos to you

I'm grateful that you think this, and thank you for your kind words; it means a lot.

Originally Posted by Xero_Aurion

... what I was trying to say is that when choice is affected by society, it can also be said that society is affected by choice... I'm trying to say is that they can both go hand in hand. It never is just one way or the other, nor is it going to be a balance between the two. It's certainly a mix between them (choice affecting society/society affecting choice) but not a balanced one.

Although I understand what you are saying here and also think that generally this is a true statement, you hit upon an important idea here about balance. In that in order to truly understand why people are, intentionally, limited in their choices is because most people are limited in their resources. Unfortunately resources equate in this world as power: the more you have the more power you have, the more choices you have.

So in this framework we need to be weary of how certain messages are propagated within our societies through media (television, music, movies, print, talk shows and ect.), government officials and corporations (nike, aig, american express and ect.) because these entities (1) control all information within our society and (2) can create (when they coordinate their efforts together) an image of reality that is not only untrue but also unsustainable. And they do this because they know how to manipulate public opinion (through the theoretical theories of sociology and psychology), and in the end what that means for them is that they gain control and most the wealth of the populous.

And it all starts, for example, by making one believe they have a choice between consumer products; that they have the choice to pay for that product now or later; that they have a choice in who should be president; that have a choice in what to learn; that they have a choice to define who they are... but in reality each choice that you make that allows them to gain is actually taking away your power and striping you of your resources, be that money, production (making products or ideas) or even time.


These choices lead one to believe they are a free agent within the world, but in reality it causes slavery.

Originally Posted by Xero_Aurion

...I think that society primarily affects you when you are growing up into the stages of adulthood...

This is definitely when the seeds are sown, in the youth of a society; but like any seed, that is laid in fresh fertile soil, it germinates and thus its root structure spreads out deep within the soil, its branches grow and spread out, and even though it does as nature tells it to, as it grows it casts a shadow to all around it (think like sun hitting a tree or sunflower and how that casts a shadow). This is exactly how ideas are taught to us and how those ideas in later life (adulthood) still affect how we see reality - they can even be subconscious.

Originally Posted by Xero_Aurion

...I get the feeling that it's a bit one-sided. As if to say that it simply listens to fact and disregards anything and everything else, which doesn't quite seem right...

It should feel this way to you because (1) you never really heard of this message so in a way its a new paradigm in which to view things, and (2) because nothing, and I mean nothing, that you view reflects this in your reality (and that is because between the seed sowers and and the people who attended the growth of those seeds the message of that reality was so synchronized that it seemed seamless). And I would assume that in some ways it may even seem threatening, at least that is the way its been with other people I have talked to about such issues. But that feeling doesn't make it any less true.

Originally Posted by Xero_Aurion

Anyways I'm trying to take both sides into account of this...if there's something I'm missing or if I made no sense somewhere then just ask because my posts were intentionally made to catch your attention, I'm not trying to disagree or say what you are saying/doing is wrong, I am just here to learn and live. (Plus the topic at hand is: "The world through your eyes..." so we are not really in position to make personal comments to you. We can only state our opinions.) Know that what I mentioned in my previous post was just something I found interesting to "point out." Plus I thought it would help since it didn't look like you were "thinking the other way around" You can tell me what you like. But I'll still do what I want. However one thing is for certain. Your voice isn't going unheard when talking to me. I am certainly here to at least listen to your opinion, and then formulate any questions or even question it with my own or even with something I'll want to "point out."

I kinda have an advantage over you in that I been entrenched in these schools of thought for a while now and even done studies of my own that were based on their theories and findings, but I'm grateful that you have taken an open mind to all this because most don't (and the reasons why are stated above).

But also you should know that from our exchange here I also have benefited - by you presenting the opposite side you allowed me to formulate and expand that which I know, as well as allow me to communicate this in a new way, and even come to some other conclusions on past things I thought about. So I'm thankful that you're willing to engage in these types of conversations .

And its not about making you change, because there is one thing that I can guarantee: you will change in one way or another because that is the process of life - life is constant change. We just have to keep asking is this change good?

Originally Posted by Nin: Non-entity

The sky is not the same shade of blue
Every single thing I believe isn’t true
Missing in the maze of monochrome
How did I get here, how can I go home

The echoes in my eyes, of all they used to see
Burning down the world, the ashes and debris
And all that’s left of me, non-entity…

Try to stand in line, try to obey
The ghost of what I was keep getting in the way
Staring at the sun, I’m blinded by the light
Now I’m afraid I’m fading out of sight

The echoes in my eyes, of all they used to see
Burning down the world, the ashes and debris
And all that’s left of you, and all that’s left of me
All have washed away, non-entity...