Why I think Realm Balance on Horus is a bigger problem than class balance.

[BigManOnCampus]

This is a spreadsheet I just made off of data from RO's own war status pages.

As you can see, When you look at simply the clans with greatest RP's on Horus, Alsius is generally outnumbered 3 to 1. When you look at XP rankings, it looks more like just over 2-1 at worst. When you again combine them, it goes closer to 3-1. Ignis is in the middle, but still generally greater "population" than Alsius by around 2-1.

Then when you look at RA... you see a different story. noone has a greater than 1.5-to-1 advantage in any ranking, and when you total the RP + XP rankings, they all come out nearly dead even.

To be fair, these numbers are not wholly reflective of the situation "on the ground" as there are certainly players who are regulars, good fighters, and not affiliated perhaps with one of the major clans in their realm (I'm one of them, assuming anyone thinks I'm any good). Also, since I'm doubling up by re-counting some clans (in the grand total) who are both ranked high in xp and rp, I'm likely exacerbating any numerical difference between the realms by comparing those particular totals. However, I don't see how this numerical imbalance shown here can be outright dismissed as meaningless. The higher rp-count clans will likely have the most active fighters, this is a given. And the larger number of players in high-XP but low-RP clans will clearly pile-on once a critical mass of fort-battle players is reached.

I'm sure I'm probably preaching to the choir here, but sometimes people respond better to cold hard numbers. IMHO, Horus is broken and the realms should be forcibly re-balanced.

[_Arwen_]

First off, yes I agree realm imbalance is a problem (but keep in mind its not just realm imbalance, its a combination realm and timezone imbalance) I'd like to point a few things out here.

First, in your Horus table, my clan is listed however the number of players we have as noted by that number is extremely wrong. Almost all of the players in my clan have 6 total characters most of them 45+. So its not really all that fair to compare based on that number as some clans have a lot of alts or some inactive members.

I think my second point will be a little harder to explain, but I'll try anyway. Syrtis clans have a lot more characters in their clans due to long term players having many alts as I described above. Alsius clans on the other hand have a lot of people switching from other realms, and as such they haven't had time to build up their alts yet. Consequently (and hypothetically), it may seem like Syrtis has more people based on those numbers while in fact both realms have the same number of active (and unique) players but Syrtis clans are pumped full of alts.

[VandaMan]

Originally Posted by _Arwen_

First off, yes I agree realm imbalance is a problem (but keep in mind its not just realm imbalance, its a combination realm and timezone imbalance) I'd like to point a few things out here.

First, in your Horus table, my clan is listed however the number of players we have as noted by that number is extremely wrong. Almost all of the players in my clan have 6 total characters most of them 45+. So its not really all that fair to compare based on that number as some clans have a lot of alts or some inactive members.

I think my second point will be a little harder to explain, but I'll try anyway. Syrtis clans have a lot more characters in their clans due to long term players having many alts as I described above. Alsius clans on the other hand have a lot of people switching from other realms, and as such they haven't had time to build up their alts yet. Consequently (and hypothetically), it may seem like Syrtis has more people based on those numbers while in fact both realms have the same number of active (and unique) players but Syrtis clans are pumped full of alts.

The points about alts and inactive players are pretty useless, since all realms have people with alts and inactive players. All realms also have people who move from other realms, and perhaps alsius has more, but not significantly so.

[backe]

The best way for NGD to address realm balance is to first address gameplay.

Better gameplay equals more players that actually stay with the game. Pretty graphics are great to hook people in, but those players (for the most part) immediately quit when they realize how flawed Regnum is regarding core gameplay.

tl;dr Better gameplay = more long-term players = less realm imbalance.

[BigManOnCampus]

Originally Posted by _Arwen_

First, in your Horus table, my clan is listed however the number of players we have as noted by that number is extremely wrong. Almost all of the players in my clan have 6 total characters most of them 45+.

Indeed, my clan is listed as having 18 characters. The most *people* you'll *ever* see online is 3. This is not unique to Syrtis.

I think my second point will be a little harder to explain, but I'll try anyway. Syrtis clans have a lot more characters in their clans due to long term players having many alts as I described above. Alsius clans on the other hand have a lot of people switching from other realms, and as such they haven't had time to build up their alts yet. Consequently (and hypothetically), it may seem like Syrtis has more people based on those numbers while in fact both realms have the same number of active (and unique) players but Syrtis clans are pumped full of alts.

That's quite a stretch, imo. First, clans in Alsius have a lot of old-time players with alternates who have quit the game creating the same inflation in their numbers. Second, I don't see as many people in Alsius realm chat anymore speaking about starting over in Alsius. About 3-4 months ago you might have had a point about alternates from other realms, not anymore. The flow of realm-jumpers stopped. In fact, many of the higher-profile realm-switchers gave up and no longer play (in Alsius anyway).

Admittedly, the numbers I pulled from are not explicit in what they point to because they do not reflect real population. If you divide by 6 to take out alternates, you'll still get the same ratio between the realms. If you subtract older characters no longer played, you'll have some from every realm who get subtracted. And just from spending time in Alsius realm chat I can tell you that we're not getting many new other-realm alternates, or if we are, they are not mentioning it anymore. I think the numbers while inaccurate for population, do a reasonable job reflecting the imbalance between the realms. Whats interesting to note is how balanced RA comes out while using these same numbers.

[Truewar]

Alsius has too many players who don`t respect others. Some of old players aren`t interested in war. The call to go to any enemy fort drown in trade offers, blaming and other realm chat shit.

Players who loved that realm and tried to make it strong are disappointed. That was me and I will not play in alsius anymore (atleast because I don`t have any chars there). That was Ultimate who left few days ago. That was Kyro who doesn`t log on often anymore. That was couple of other good players... They just lost their hope, get bored or were offended.

That is not NGD`s fault. That is not even gameplay or ballance issues (Atleast because Ignis and Syrtis population is growing).

That is because of you, Alsius players.

[Shwish]

Originally Posted by Truewar

Alsius has too many players who don`t respect others. Some of old players aren`t interested in war. The call to go to any enemy fort drown in trade offers, blaming and other realm chat shit.

Players who loved that realm and tried to make it strong are disappointed. That was me and I will not play in alsius anymore (atleast because I don`t have any chars there). That was Ultimate who left few days ago. That was Kyro who doesn`t log on often anymore. That was couple of other good players... They just lost their hope, get bored or were offended.

That is not NGD`s fault. That is not even gameplay or ballance issues (Atleast because Ignis and Syrtis population is growing).

That is because of you, Alsius players.

Alsius has the numbers, im sure of that. We just have a problem whipping them out... and thats whats pissing so much of the old players off and making the game really bad for some of us new players.

We alot of dedicated players who spend most of thier time in the warzone but unfortunately they cant all be online all the time. And the rest of the realm..... lets not talk about them. Yesterday i witnessed the infamous "log-out after the boss dies" incident which i thought didnt exist in alsius but i guess i was wrong.

I would like the see alsius fix this problem as a realm and not rely on ngd for this. i dont see anything wrong with ngd's design of our realm and gaining levels here is really a walk in the park so whatever it is making people leave can be worked on by somehow uniting us.

EDIT: i just noticed a thread started by compost in the inn. this is a step in the right direction so +1 to that

[blood-raven]

than i can give you this advise: ignore trolls, be kind and helpfull to others, don't use the wrod 'noob' (at least not against low lvl players in your realm), listen to each other, march devided, fight concentrated, i heared on realm chat of a small 'knight comando' who where cooperating very good, so take there example.

in syrtis: we hardly have trolls or there are ignored/flamed at by the entire realm, we don't insult ppl (only as a joke), we don't work together but it's always funny to hear a story of someone dying a funny death.

regards

[HidraA]

omfg not again......

[Saryad]

Originally Posted by blood-raven

in syrtis: we hardly have trolls

Syrtis are almost all trolls, its just the few that arent that you think are