Warlock in battlezones

[Slartibartfast]

Sad state of warlock class is pretty visible in TDM.

- When group joins TDM, party says: "Oh no, he's warlock, not conju."
- Can't reach archer
- Marks casts WS, barb rushes in - dead warlock
- Barb with DI - dead warlock
- Can't get away from rushing barb because of his ultimate speed
- Can't cc or stop rushing knight
- Faint/kick endless combo from knight
- Can't do any DoT damage - mages and knights dispells it
- Can't do any real damage
- Can't score a kill with pathetic DoT damage
- Can't cast any spell when running back to base while barb is doing op normals
- Can't cast EB or Wind Wall when running back to base while marks is doing op damage
- Casts sultar and half of enemy players resists/blocks it
- Can't manage to survive in narrow passages
- Can't compete at all against other overbuffed classes
- When warlock finally spends whole spellbook to _almost_ kill an enemy player, some marks from other side of map hits normal on him and scores a kill

Etc...

Not complaining, just pointing out.

[Hollow-Ichigo]

Marksman and barb are the most OP class in TDM, especially on Ra. I dont see how anything can be done to make it fair though

[Pery3000]

Not really a easy fix to this. Barbs are still the most important class in tdm. Sad but true. Unless you have really good archers. I have a video of me and another op barb wining TDM. 2 vs 4 vs 4 if I remember. Its retarded. I still miss the old maps.

[Sentan]

TDM is all about last hitting thats why it wont be balanced. ONLY kills matter and both mage classes suck here. Bad design... really unfair between classes. NGD should remove TDM mode and add battlezones with new objectives.... like capture the flag or specific points.

[Evanz33]

Why people from haven complain so much about warlocks?. In Ra people say that warlock is ok even op when it comes to 1vs1 and complain about knight being weak (i dont understand this neither, knight is actually pretty strong in 1vs1 to and really helpful in war).

Its not about warlock its about how Team death match works making barb, marksman, conjurer better than knight, Hunter or warlock. Just ignore what people say and use dots plus freeze to steal kills.

Sorry for my bad english

[Slartibartfast]

Originally Posted by Evanz

Why people from haven complain so much about warlocks?. In Ra people say that warlock is ok even op when it comes to 1vs1 and complain about knight being weak (i dont understand this neither, knight is actually pretty strong in 1vs1 to and really helpful in war).

Its not about warlock its about how Team death match works making barb, marksman, conjurer better than knight, Hunter or warlock. Just ignore what people say and use dots plus freeze to steal kills.

Sorry for my bad english

I think I listed pretty valid observations above. That's actually very plastic and objective view of warlock state in CoR in general.

[Hollow-Ichigo]

Originally Posted by Evanz

Why people from haven complain so much about warlocks?. In Ra people say that warlock is ok even op when it comes to 1vs1 and complain about knight being weak (i dont understand this neither, knight is actually pretty strong in 1vs1 to and really helpful in war).

On ra warlocks are OP because they spam areas, sultars terror is basically the difference between your whole group getting wiped or surviving. On haven there isnt enough players to make terror useful, so a lot of them just use a setup without any areas. They then complain that warlocks are weak because they cant 1v3.

Pretty much the jist of it.

[mag mage]

Hello, my main class is Warlock, and as a Champion with 80% winning rate ( I guess e.e) , in my opinion warlock is fine. I have some tips to avoid these situations, first of all you have a team with you, battlezone isn't player X or Player Y, its team play and yeah, I'm from Ra, I don't have native english :'(

- When group joins TDM, party says: "Oh no, he's warlock, not conju."
Warlocks can be more useful than conju, warlock in TDM is a support class, because there isn't any conju in your team, support isn't only heal allies, because you can't. As warlock you have to dispel your allies, bring Synergy Bond, CC ur enemies and do damage, yeah... So many thing to do, this is warlock, you can be everything and NEVER, NEVER stop moving.

- Can't reach archer
As I say when it happens in Warzone, if you can't hit your enemy, don't let him hit you, use Wind Wall to receive less damage and avoid him, your team will reach him someway, stay with them.

- Marks casts WS, barb rushes in - dead warlock
You're not alone, never stay alone, you may have 2 warriors in your team, if one of them is knight, you're safe with his auras and Protect Ally, if they are barbs, their dmg is stronger than this rushing barb, you can also bring Laziness and Darkness, Mind Push to counter him. PS: Marksmen have Fire Arrow.

- Barb with DI - dead warlock
Yeah, DI is a way to counter warlocks, here is when your experience helps you, always be on max range against barbs if you don't feel safe, keep burning and stealing their mana and NEVER stop moving, the barb will use Spring first, if you're quick, you can meteor him before his UM, you can also use Ivy, even frozen storm and twister if they're not rushing into you, if you stop him for 1 second, your team will be already attacking him.

- Can't get away from rushing barb because of his ultimate speed
You have so many ways to counter a barb...

- Can't cc or stop rushing knight - Faint/kick endless combo from knight
If he is using Defensive Support, you can use Ivy, slow, mind push, twister, mass ivy, he has -10% movement speed with DS, NEVER stop moving and he won't be a problem to you, if he turns his Defensive Stance off, Darkness him and he will die.

- Can't do any DoT damage - mages and knights dispells it - Can't do any real damage
You don't have to only do damage, you have to CC ur enemies, stun their frontline, you don't kill, you make the "kill" happens, you have strong CCs and you have to take advantage from it, freeze knights, use darkness to avoid mages' dispel. make your enemies stay out of the game.

- Can't score a kill with pathetic DoT damage
Lighting, Ice Blast, Freeze (lvl 3 +) = Warlock Y defeated poor player, You don't have to score kills, only if nobody can do it at the moment. You can also steal kills with fireball and meteor. Use skills to your favor, Summon Lighting and Sultar's Terror are good damage skills, yeah, sultar can deal damage too...

- Can't cast any spell when running back to base while barb is doing op normals
I agree, but it happens with all classes.

- Can't cast EB or Wind Wall when running back to base while marks is doing op damage
You must have good items, as good as this op-damage-marks' gear, your allies can help you with Onslaught to run away, also, your team's archer will be attacking him.

- Casts sultar and half of enemy players resists/blocks it
Luck, but if your enemies used Son of the Wind or Precise Block its your fault, use the map, strategy, Sultar is a strong spell in battlezone, you have to surprise your enemies, see this video as example: https://youtu.be/FssAbD6UaIk?t=7m48s - Minute 8:30 too.
Sultar - darkness - Ivy or twister - dead.

- Can't manage to survive in narrow passages
You have your team. CC ur enemies, see the video above.

- Can't compete at all against other """""""""overbuffed"""""""" classes


- When warlock finally spends whole spellbook to _almost_ kill an enemy player, some marks from other side of map hits normal on him and scores a kill
This is archer's and knight's role, if you did the last hit, isn't because you're good, its because someone didn't make his job, you don't have to spend all whole spellbook, you have a team too.

Unfortunately I didn't record any gameplay during BZ time, but I have a video with a good teamplay, 2 BZ there, first team: Warlock, Conju, Marks, Hunter. Second team: Warlock, Warlock, Conju, Hunter. No op-damage-barb in team. Here is it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhtPC5u841g

Best Regards.

[Almighty1]

Originally Posted by mag mage

Hello, my main class is Warlock, and as a Champion with 80% winning rate ( I guess e.e) , in my opinion warlock is fine. I have some tips to avoid these situations, first of all you have a team with you, battlezone isn't player X or Player Y, its team play and yeah, I'm from Ra, I don't have native english :'(

- When group joins TDM, party says: "Oh no, he's warlock, not conju."
Warlocks can be more useful than conju, warlock in TDM is a support class, because there isn't any conju in your team, support isn't only heal allies, because you can't. As warlock you have to dispel your allies, bring Synergy Bond, CC ur enemies and do damage, yeah... So many thing to do, this is warlock, you can be everything and NEVER, NEVER stop moving.

- Can't reach archer
As I say when it happens in Warzone, if you can't hit your enemy, don't let him hit you, use Wind Wall to receive less damage and avoid him, your team will reach him someway, stay with them.

- Marks casts WS, barb rushes in - dead warlock
You're not alone, never stay alone, you may have 2 warriors in your team, if one of them is knight, you're safe with his auras and Protect Ally, if they are barbs, their dmg is stronger than this rushing barb, you can also bring Laziness and Darkness, Mind Push to counter him. PS: Marksmen have Fire Arrow.

- Barb with DI - dead warlock
Yeah, DI is a way to counter warlocks, here is when your experience helps you, always be on max range against barbs if you don't feel safe, keep burning and stealing their mana and NEVER stop moving, the barb will use Spring first, if you're quick, you can meteor him before his UM, you can also use Ivy, even frozen storm and twister if they're not rushing into you, if you stop him for 1 second, your team will be already attacking him.

- Can't get away from rushing barb because of his ultimate speed
You have so many ways to counter a barb...

- Can't cc or stop rushing knight - Faint/kick endless combo from knight
If he is using Defensive Support, you can use Ivy, slow, mind push, twister, mass ivy, he has -10% movement speed with DS, NEVER stop moving and he won't be a problem to you, if he turns his Defensive Stance off, Darkness him and he will die.

- Can't do any DoT damage - mages and knights dispells it - Can't do any real damage
You don't have to only do damage, you have to CC ur enemies, stun their frontline, you don't kill, you make the "kill" happens, you have strong CCs and you have to take advantage from it, freeze knights, use darkness to avoid mages' dispel. make your enemies stay out of the game.

- Can't score a kill with pathetic DoT damage
Lighting, Ice Blast, Freeze (lvl 3 +) = Warlock Y defeated poor player, You don't have to score kills, only if nobody can do it at the moment. You can also steal kills with fireball and meteor. Use skills to your favor, Summon Lighting and Sultar's Terror are good damage skills, yeah, sultar can deal damage too...

- Can't cast any spell when running back to base while barb is doing op normals
I agree, but it happens with all classes.

- Can't cast EB or Wind Wall when running back to base while marks is doing op damage
You must have good items, as good as this op-damage-marks' gear, your allies can help you with Onslaught to run away, also, your team's archer will be attacking him.

- Casts sultar and half of enemy players resists/blocks it
Luck, but if your enemies used Son of the Wind or Precise Block its your fault, use the map, strategy, Sultar is a strong spell in battlezone, you have to surprise your enemies, see this video as example: https://youtu.be/FssAbD6UaIk?t=7m48s - Minute 8:30 too.
Sultar - darkness - Ivy or twister - dead.

- Can't manage to survive in narrow passages
You have your team. CC ur enemies, see the video above.

- Can't compete at all against other """""""""overbuffed"""""""" classes


- When warlock finally spends whole spellbook to _almost_ kill an enemy player, some marks from other side of map hits normal on him and scores a kill
This is archer's and knight's role, if you did the last hit, isn't because you're good, its because someone didn't make his job, you don't have to spend all whole spellbook, you have a team too.

Unfortunately I didn't record any gameplay during BZ time, but I have a video with a good teamplay, 2 BZ there, first team: Warlock, Conju, Marks, Hunter. Second team: Warlock, Warlock, Conju, Hunter. No op-damage-barb in team. Here is it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhtPC5u841g

Best Regards.

Well said.
+1

[Sentan]

I agree with mag-mage but still if I had option to choose my team comp in 3v3v3 TDM warlock takes last place on my list and I'm always glad to see warlock in enemy team :P easy target