sucide dead and fort wars

[kamax]

Hi, a lot of people just sucide themself to kill someone on a fort wars, mostly people who must take back there forts. They just don't care about dead because the save is just behind and are back very fast.

It's not really tactical war doing like that. People should try to stay alive but why ? What can be changed that people(mostly archers) no more run to dead to kill someone and play more tactics ?

Give some bonus on each dead to the owner of the fort like gold(from the dead guy), xp, more guards, necro ..... ?

It would be great if each dead bring something but only on fort wars, not hunting.

What do you think about this sucide story and have you another idea to avoid this problem and have better wars ?

[gupta]

Hmm lets see... People of over populated realms make such suggestions without having any idea how hard it is for 5 - 8 (4 of who are generally lvl 30-40) guys trying to fight zergs.

Now you want to take away equipment (a weird thread actually suggested that) and you want to take gold and you want to weaken us further by necro

Cool. Do it. And see if the 5-8 that stand to try and give you a fight even bother to do that...

[Znurre]

Well Kamax...
I understand what you mean, but to me this is a valid tactic.

Sometimes when you are outnumbered the best tactic is to coordinate, focus fire on let's say 3 players and take them out before you die.
If you're lucky some of these are conjurers and those kills will then make a really big impact on the fight.

Sometimes we coordinate areas, when Syrtis or Ignis has twice the amount of players at pinos than we do.
Then we will try to flank you, maybe from Orc Camp or behind following the fort wall.
Sometimes we manage to kill a lot, sometimes none - but it's still a valid tactic that manages us to have a chance to recapture our forts.

And tell me...
If this player manages to chase one of your players and kill him, is there not something YOU should take responsibility to fix by protecting your players better?
Atleast I cannot imagine an archer attacking you, for example, when you stand in the middle of your own army and not get attacked by your friends.

Finally, if this change was implemented it would greatly favor the ranged classes since truth is they generally die less than close combat classes.

[Twinkle1]

MMMM how can i put this nicely!!!!

That is one of my fav parts of a fort fight or any fight , suiciding to break the enemy up a bit is a very important part of our tactics, and i would be very pissed if i was to be giving you my items or gold just because of it .

I personally dont think its fair that Alsius get zerged at forts, uneven amounts of players make it very hard for Alsius to break through the line to retrieve our fort back, so im afraid that suicide runs are the way we have to do it sometimes.

Add the fact that some enemy players come to the save to kill us as we rez so we cant get back to the fort , should they be penalised by taking there items and gold. and i dont want to hear about they get xp taken away from them because it does not stop them doing it.

In fact, if the attacing army is smaller that the defending army the smaller group should be the one to get any bonus due to the challenge.

[UmarilsStillHere]

Do not like

Yes it would make it even harder for underpopulated realms, and its not like they dont already not bother trying a lot of the time...

Alsius Ra I respected as a skilled fighting force that would rarely give in and could always summon up an army, because they were prepared to fight.

Alsius Horus on the other hand will sometimes get a decent force together... try 3-4 times then give up, and thats if they can get enough people to stop grinding and go fight in the first place.

[_dracus_]

Suicide is a tactic!

[kamax]

Originally Posted by Znurre

If this player manages to chase one of your players and kill him, is there not something YOU should take responsibility to fix by protecting your players better?

I can protect my friends only again warriors and mage, marks shoot from too far away and if they come in my range with sotw running after a half dead friend, i can just do nothing with my poor normal hit.

Originally Posted by Znurre

Atleast I cannot imagine an archer attacking you, for example, when you stand in the middle of your own army and not get attacked by your friends.

Hard to imagine but it really happend, i don't know it the lag help or too many players on the screen but i see very often archer who just run into a big group of syrtis to finish one of my friends and of course die just after. Marks can do this job very fast.

Originally Posted by Znurre

Finally, if this change was implemented it would greatly favor the ranged classes since truth is they generally die less than close combat classes.

Yes it's a problem, specially for barbs.

Originally Posted by Twinkle1

.... should they be penalised by taking there items and gold....

Items no, should not be stolen, i never say that.

Originally Posted by Znurre

Sometimes when you are outnumbered the best tactic is to coordinate, focus fire on let's say 3 players and take them out before you die.
If you're lucky some of these are conjurers and those kills will then make a really big impact on the fight.

Of course, each time asluis attack us on a war(like trell) someone syrtis die, not only alsuis. That's why the bonus/malus from dead can go in the two ways with an advantage of the underpopulated group.
Like if syrtis has trell and we are 2x more that alsuis, someone in alsuis kill a syrtis and receive 2x more(something...) that if an syrtis kill an alsuis.

Maybe gold or xp is a bad suggestion but another thing can be great and help the underpopulated realm. I don't want that the most populated realm farm on the head of underpopulated realm.
That's why i ask you "if", only suppose something can be done, what can be done.

Maybe it can give heal/mana to someone who kill or something like a invulnerable/protection bonus for x time with the 2x ratio for alsuis and 0.5x for syrtis like y say it before because he take a part of the soul from the dead guy.
Of course no bonus for people doing save camping, maybe it can be inverted for save campers, each people they kill on the save give the bonus to the guy who resurect instead of the killer.
Maybe the bonus can be keept for the good moment and activated with an icon.

A bonus can be give too for guys who don't die but only under fire, like that warriors will receive more bonus that archers who are less under fire. A stay alive bonus ? Of course with ratio or someting else who don't give more advantage of most populated but only to people who play well..or are lucky .

I understand that atm sucide is a tactics but please don't stay in this way and imagine another way of fighting, with bonus on dead and ratio this can be fair for everybody. This will bring better quality fights if both side care about dead.

We must just find the correct bonus(or malus?) who can be great.

[Ygarl]

Originally Posted by Znurre

Well Kamax...
Sometimes we coordinate areas, when Syrtis or Ignis has twice the amount of players at pinos than we do.

Horus Ignis has twice as many people as another Realm???? Dunno how THAT happened! Lol

[Mattdoesrock]

Since when was this a Horus specific forum?

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[Kittypretty]

well when i Conj,

im the last to die, since im not dumb enough to run outside, and take my death as bravely as possible when the doors break...in sanc will kissing another player..and my own ass goodbye.