wth syrtis

[Llayne]

Seriously, when we take herb what provokes you all to say 'Let's take meni!.'
and later when we take alg 'Let's take samal!'
Why is it you do everything but come to fight real players? Is it fun running around taking empty forts?

Surely you can see how a real realm will fight for their forts for hours as we do everyday. How fun would it be if every time a fort were captured for the realm that lost it to just run and take yours with no fort fights ever taking place? Should we all start acting as lame as you syrtis?

Grow a spine and come get your forts back. It isn't tactical to instead go take empty forts, it's just lame. So now passed 1 hour without fighting players but we have each others forts! fun stuff.

So this starts a chain reaction. We take Efe. You take Shaan. You take samal. We get samal. Then we Get meni. You take Alg. We get shaana back. All of this with no real fighting!

We fight for our forts for hours even when heavily outnumbered. You could show us the same courtesy lest all realms start acting as you do and the game becomes less fun for all.

[Acknor]

Originally Posted by Kaliek

Seriously, when we take herb what provokes you all to say 'Let's take meni!.'
and later when we take alg 'Let's take samal!'
Why is it you do everything but come to fight real players? Is it fun running around taking empty forts?

Surely you can see how a real realm will fight for their forts for hours as we do everyday. How fun would it be if every time a fort were captured for the realm that lost it to just run and take yours with no fort fights ever taking place? Should we all start acting as lame as you syrtis?

Grow a spine and come get your forts back. It isn't tactical to instead go take empty forts, it's just lame. So now passed 1 hour without fighting players but we have each others forts! fun stuff.

So this starts a chain reaction. We take Efe. You take Shaan. You take samal. We get samal. Then we Get meni. You take Alg. We get shaana back. All of this with no real fighting!

We fight for our forts for hours even when heavily outnumbered. You could show us the same courtesy lest all realms start acting as you do and the game becomes less fun for all.

If you are talking about the Horus night crew, there were only 6 of us. Our last track showed you with at least twice that number and you started by taking an empty fort (Alga) that we weren't any where near. We were patiently waiting for a nice fight at Herb. Who didn't want to fight people, eh?

As far as our tactics they made more sense than getting farmed, simple as that.

[Llayne]

Originally Posted by Acknor

As far as our tactics they made more sense than getting farmed, simple as that.

So I guess you are saying we should all start doing this when syrtis stacks 20-30+ in our forts every day? If anyone has cause to act like this it's Alsius and Ignis...

I guess it's true. When you don't have a zerg you simply will not fight. Or don't know how?

[VandaMan]

This is really nothing new, and I agree with Kal to an extent... although I'm rather surprised to see him posting like this. It's important to recognize that many of the ones farming samal for hours during the day aren't the same people who run to empty forts to avoid fights all night.

I really don't get too upset if we're dominating syrtis with twice their number in the field between the fort and the save, and they decide to run off to meni. The thing that bothers me is when they make one attempt, and then run to an empty fort or just sit at the save until we leave. I wasn't on for the specific situation being discussed, so I really can't say.

I do notice that syrtis tends to either take back their forts by outnumbering enemies 2 to 1, or by finding another way to force them out that doesn't require fighting. There are very few fights with syrtis (at forts) that I would call fun, whether my team is winning or not.

[UmarilsStillHere]

All realms do this (I have no idea why, but seems some in each realm like to fight NPCs a lot)

If Syrtis takes Samal, Alsius will often take Herb,
If Ignis takes Aggers Syrtis will sometimes take Trele
If Alsius takes Meni you can count on some Syrtis wanting to take Samal/Some Alsian fort
Often if Ignis take Efe Alsius take Herb or Alga

Or in the case of same realm same fort sometimes If Syrtis takes Samal, Ignis take Efe, or if Syrtis take Trele Alsius take Alga etc...

Or is Samal if camped some people will say 'lets go meni/shaana instead' thankfully though recently in my play time at least these people are told to stfu and its more fun to attack a camped fort than a empty castle.

Syrtis do often seem to take forts back just by zerging the shit off them, but what realm dosnt?

If we take Ignis trying to take a fort back as an example, say Syrtis starts with 30, Ignis with 20, slowly over time the zerg will be silly, lose the odd player than wont come back, some people on both sides may get bored/frustrated and log out we may be down to 23/17 now, then, eventually the bulk of Syrtis get silly and gets killed, probably in the same sultar spam storm they spent the last 2 hours farming Ignis with. Then numbers look more like 6/15 and Syrtis lose the fort soon after, thus by the end at least 'you zerged the fort'

Syrtis on the other hand simply have the numbers to do this right away most of the time, Ignis may take Herb with 15 people, and in a few mins Syrtis will have gathered 30, then Ignis get zerged.

Its rare that I see a even or smaller attacking force kick a defender force from a fort simply because its a very hard thing to do when the enemy have a fort to hide in.

[Shwish]

My realm wasnt involved in this specific event as far as i know but i dont think fingers should be pointed at the entire realm, but more so to a specific player or group of players.

What ive noticed in Alsius are players regrouping to take the 'Minor' fort (Menira or Algaros). At the regroup point, an arguement will start with some of the more experienced players (usually) plea-ing to go to Samal/Herbred instead because we will be sure to get a good fight there. I usually agree with this, taking an empty fort isnt fun at all. This arguement lasts anywhere between 15-30 minutes and results in realm chat being spammed with utter retardedness for lack of a better word.

My role in this is to try my best to keep the forces together, no matter where we plan to go. In Alsius we arent enough to split and maybe this was what happened in the Syrtis vs Ignius issue. One person thought it would be funny to attack a defensless fort and his 2 buddies agreed. The rest of the realm didnt see a point in splitting an already weakened force (ie the 'Night Crew') so they tagged along (probably after a heated debate about it).

My point is that there are those handful of people who take pleasure in easy an easy victory, it doesnt mean the whole realm is the same

[Acknor]

Originally Posted by Kaliek

So I guess you are saying we should all start doing this when syrtis stacks 20-30+ in our forts every day? If anyone has cause to act like this it's Alsius and Ignis...

I guess it's true. When you don't have a zerg you simply will not fight. Or don't know how?

No, I'm not saying that at all. We had a few good fights at PB, fairly even numbers then next we knew we got zerged at the bridge by twice as many enemies.

So, as good tactics dictate, we retreated to a position of strength as we knew we did not have the numbers to compete with the growing horde of Ignis. Instead of coming to Herb to have a fight that I'm sure you could have easily won with your numbers, you went to Alga which was empty. I can only guess that you did that to avoid a fight at Herb. We took empty forts because that was the only way we were going to have any chance of getting you out of ours. I suppose I should apologize for not letting you kill me repeatedly at Alga. I'll try to give out more RP the next time.

Finally, no one wants to fight against a zerg and I don't blame them. I don't play during the Syrtis zerg hours and am glad I don't. The few times I've been on, I've been bored to death. At least at night with the smaller numbers we have the chance to have good fights at the bridges, in the open fields, anywhere WE decide to fight. Don't let the game dictate where the wars happen - that is the job of the players.


See you in the WZ.....

[Klutu]

lol - proof everyone likes picking on the goats :P

most of what im seeing here is how i feel about war on horus

I rarely enjoy taking a Syrtis fort though i don't discourage it and will try to get the group to go to herb instead of Alga ( im 1 of those people who will argue in realm/general chat about it )

(Syrtis High Population Time)
if Alsius takes herb with 10-15+ players - 5-10 minutes we will lose the fort too 25-30 Syrtis players - basicly kill us off 1 by 1 then mass on the door

(Syrtis "Night Crew")
it's grown alot from the 5-6 people who use to sit at the gate trying to stop ignis everynight

If Alsius takes herb at night normally have 10-15 players - Syrtis will start off small and take a few minutes to regroup too actually reach our numbers and on few ocasions outnumber us by a few - while there fighting i always notice that there not interested in Fighting the Players there just trying to force there door down and recapture as fast as possible - so they stack auras, mod and more - they will try this 5-7 times before trying to actually fight the players.

If Alsius is holding there fort for more then 20 minutes - Syrtis becomes lazy and either log off, camp bridges, even had a few camp the Alsius CS, - they will try 1 or 2 more attacks on a fort then we wont see any Syrtis Players until "Trelleborg fort is under Attack" we all laugh at them and normally head to trelle because we know IMP is next - they lose normally trying to capture imp and then run to empty herb and we all end up with no forts (boring)

now for Ignis i enjoy most fights with ignis just about anytime of the day

Ignis's Population is alot more Balanced threw all hours of the day not massing in any special timezone - Alsius can almost always enjoy a good fight even if only for a few minutes

now Alsius has a few "Noob Leaders" (low lvls leading other low lvls around :P)
which normally leads to Alga/Meni Fights and most of them constantly lvl aggers to lvl 4 (FUUUUUU)

part of the reason for taking empty forts is because of lvling forts.. there almost impossible to take unless you either have a zerg or the enemy is very very few

[Mattdoesrock]

One thing you can always count on though is this:

You'll be having some nice fights with Syrtis, ping ponging between aggers / pp / herb etc. When you'll go to regroup and see "Trelleborg fort has been captured by Syrtis!"

When that happens, for me it's an insta-log off. Completely ruins the fun. Alot of people feel the same way as well.

[Acknor]

Originally Posted by Klutu

(Syrtis "Night Crew")
If Alsius takes herb at night normally have 10-15 players - Syrtis will start off small and take a few minutes to regroup too actually reach our numbers and on few ocasions outnumber us by a few - while there fighting i always notice that there not interested in Fighting the Players there just trying to force there door down and recapture as fast as possible - so they stack auras, mod and more - they will try this 5-7 times before trying to actually fight the players.

We'd be glad to fight players if the whole group of you would stop running in the fort everytime one person got hit with a 25 normal from our conj

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't the point of a fort battle to get your fort back from the enemy? Makes perfect sense to me that we'd focus on that. I swear I've seen other realms do the exact same thing as us.