I don't understand weapons stats

Monthser · 01-11-2009, 05:00 PM

Maybe someone can explain to me how it works. Take this example:

Weapon stats At char. attributes

Rapier of silver (superior)
Damage (+6)
45-57 attack 91-103
Speed: Fast
Dur. 74
Hit chance +1 hit chance +1

Broadsword of fine steel (superior)
Damage (+20)
34-45 attack 94-105
Speed: Medium
Dur. 126
Hit chance +12 hit chance +12

You see, if you look at the weapon stats you should choose the Rapier beacause of the 45-57 (broadsword is lower: 34-45). But (a big but) if you look at the attack (under character attributes) you see that the Broadsword has got higher attack: 94-105 and higher hit chance (Rapier 91-103 and lower hit chance).
So, why is that so strange and complicated?? How can I choose the right weapon? Which is best?
I really would appreciate if some1 could explain that to me. Thanks

mitchell233 · 01-11-2009, 05:07 PM

The top weapon is better, it hits faster and deals more damage.

Vroek · 01-11-2009, 05:46 PM

Actually that dont look right!
The base damage is higher on the broadsword and strength contribution should be higher as well.
(45+20 > 57+6)

Make sure you are careful looking at the character sheet, switching weapon dont always update the strength bonus correctly.
It wont effect the actual damage but need remove and equip the weapon an extra time to make sure its updated.
Do that and the broadsword will show even more damage.

Monthser · 01-11-2009, 06:18 PM

Okey, so the damage of the broadsword is higher (45+20 = 65) than the rapier (57+6 = 63) but why do they just not put:
Broadword: 54-65
Rapier: 51-63

instead of 34-45 (+12), etc. Why between brackets? Sure must be some kind of difference? or not?

Kittypretty · 01-11-2009, 08:12 PM

I have been gone for awhile..but i think its because of the quality of the item giving it its bonus (in this case superior construction)

you can get none, or negative/positive bonuses as well depending on weapon quality or level, (common, enhanced,master etc)

Miriya_PS · 01-11-2009, 09:10 PM

The speed affects the damage formula. It is not stated by NGD, and many players still do not believe it, but it is true as far as I tested. Remember also that some mobs have better armors against some specific damage.

Also remember that character datasheet does not work right. You need to Equip a weapon, look at the stats, the unequip. Then Equip the other weapon to see the real change, and even doing that it sometimes it gets bugged.

On a side note I WOULD NOT USE fast weapons right now. They seem to be bugged or something. Instead of a fast sequence of shots you do two shots together, then a long (long) wait, then another shot, then a long wait, then maybe one or two, then a long wait, and so on.

Monthser · 01-11-2009, 09:38 PM

Thank you very much for your answers guys! Nou I begin to understand how it works...

octopus · 01-12-2009, 11:01 PM

While we're talking about weapon effectiveness, I've got a question. How do speeds compare between fast, medium and slow? Anybody got numbers, like is fast 2 times the speed of slow, or 1.5 times as fast, etc?

UmarilsStillHere · 01-12-2009, 11:04 PM

the dmg-dmg bit causes a random dmg between that number, then +12 is then added regardless of the number, then dmg from str is added, basicaly most of the time just go for whatever hits harder, If they ave differant atk speeds then I think its 25%(?) speed between med-slow etc so for it to be worth useing the slower wep it must have 25% more dmg than the med one

FlameGrilled · 01-20-2009, 05:15 PM

i might be wrong, but it appears each weapon can do 2 different types of damage. piercing and slashing. also something to think about.

01-11-2009, 05:00 PM	#1
Monthser Secondary account Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 142	I don't understand weapons stats Maybe someone can explain to me how it works. Take this example: Weapon stats At char. attributes Rapier of silver (superior) Damage (+6) 45-57 attack 91-103 Speed: Fast Dur. 74 Hit chance +1 hit chance +1 Broadsword of fine steel (superior) Damage (+20) 34-45 attack 94-105 Speed: Medium Dur. 126 Hit chance +12 hit chance +12 You see, if you look at the weapon stats you should choose the Rapier beacause of the 45-57 (broadsword is lower: 34-45). But (a big but) if you look at the attack (under character attributes) you see that the Broadsword has got higher attack: 94-105 and higher hit chance (Rapier 91-103 and lower hit chance). So, why is that so strange and complicated?? How can I choose the right weapon? Which is best? I really would appreciate if some1 could explain that to me. Thanks

01-11-2009, 05:07 PM	#2
mitchell233 Apprentice Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 52	The top weapon is better, it hits faster and deals more damage. __________________ Bob-Thats funny, How that Goat Shot up into the sky. Tom-Yup, it was hilarious, don't you think, Jack? Jack-Hmmm Yes, i do Agree only if it WASNT ME!!!

01-11-2009, 08:12 PM	#5
Kittypretty Baron Join Date: May 2008 Location: Oahu, Hawaii Posts: 697	I have been gone for awhile..but i think its because of the quality of the item giving it its bonus (in this case superior construction) you can get none, or negative/positive bonuses as well depending on weapon quality or level, (common, enhanced,master etc) __________________ Taking a break from Regnum due to work leaving me little free time! So my laptop must go for now! (ask me for full details, it is an Alienware Mx18 3rd gen Ivy bridge i73920xm & configured with SLI twin Nvidia 675m, paid 3,330$ asking 2,800$ or 2,400$ + netbook.

01-11-2009, 09:10 PM	#6
Miriya_PS Count Join Date: May 2007 Location: En ninguna parte y en todos lados, que a veces es lo mismo... Posts: 1,239	The speed affects the damage formula. It is not stated by NGD, and many players still do not believe it, but it is true as far as I tested. Remember also that some mobs have better armors against some specific damage. Also remember that character datasheet does not work right. You need to Equip a weapon, look at the stats, the unequip. Then Equip the other weapon to see the real change, and even doing that it sometimes it gets bugged. On a side note I WOULD NOT USE fast weapons right now. They seem to be bugged or something. Instead of a fast sequence of shots you do two shots together, then a long (long) wait, then another shot, then a long wait, then maybe one or two, then a long wait, and so on. __________________ I don't care too much for magnas... magnas can't buy me love... Dúnedain Ж Miriya - Panacea - Daimon Lisa - April Ryan Ж Dúnedain Onen i-Estel Edain, ú-chebin estel anim.

01-12-2009, 11:04 PM	#9
UmarilsStillHere Marquis Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: England Posts: 2,419	the dmg-dmg bit causes a random dmg between that number, then +12 is then added regardless of the number, then dmg from str is added, basicaly most of the time just go for whatever hits harder, If they ave differant atk speeds then I think its 25%(?) speed between med-slow etc so for it to be worth useing the slower wep it must have 25% more dmg than the med one __________________ Faith 50 Barb Faithless 50 Lock Umaril 45 Conju Kailas 45 Marks Pel 45 Knight I N Q U I S I T I O N

01-11-2009, 05:46 PM	#3
Vroek Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 890	Actually that dont look right! The base damage is higher on the broadsword and strength contribution should be higher as well. (45+20 > 57+6) Make sure you are careful looking at the character sheet, switching weapon dont always update the strength bonus correctly. It wont effect the actual damage but need remove and equip the weapon an extra time to make sure its updated. Do that and the broadsword will show even more damage.

01-11-2009, 06:18 PM	#4
Monthser Secondary account Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 142	Okey, so the damage of the broadsword is higher (45+20 = 65) than the rapier (57+6 = 63) but why do they just not put: Broadword: 54-65 Rapier: 51-63 instead of 34-45 (+12), etc. Why between brackets? Sure must be some kind of difference? or not?

01-11-2009, 09:38 PM	#7
Monthser Secondary account Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 142	Thank you very much for your answers guys! Nou I begin to understand how it works...

01-12-2009, 11:01 PM	#8
octopus Master Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 251	While we're talking about weapon effectiveness, I've got a question. How do speeds compare between fast, medium and slow? Anybody got numbers, like is fast 2 times the speed of slow, or 1.5 times as fast, etc?

01-20-2009, 05:15 PM	#10
FlameGrilled Pledge Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 29	i might be wrong, but it appears each weapon can do 2 different types of damage. piercing and slashing. also something to think about. __________________ Just like the Pied Piper led rats through the streets We dance like marionettes Swaying to the Symphony of Destruction.