The purpose of the knight

DkySven · 07-03-2009, 10:26 AM

Hello people,

When seeing the latest change to protector I'm starting to wonder what exactly is the purpose of the knight class. The new version gives +300% protection, which gives the knight a great defense, but I seriously wonder if the -90% speed and -90% damage make the skill it really worth to use.

Speed is a key element in any aspect of Regnum, except gate bashing, which won't work with -90% damage. My concern is now that with the speed penalty it will be impossible for knights to be long enough in range of a target to actually debuff him, while enemies just will ignore him because he'll be hard to kill, but way to slow to do anything.

I know that it's the knight his job to tank damage realmmates would take otherwise, but with changes like this it only becomes more unattractive to attack knights. Very often I find myself not attacked until I'm the last one left of my army, all my defensive buffs were just wasted. Knights should be attractive to attack or people should be forced to attack him, otherwise he can't tank.

With the latest changes knights don't block that much anymore and also their auras will only reduce damage, which makes it harder to keep himself or the group save from crowd control spells and areas like for example Sultar's Terror. Because of the changes to Precise Block and Caution, more and more knights choose to only attack with Army of One on. With Protector they would also get a good protective buff, but like said before they can't do anything with it.

With these skill changes we can either "tank" (we won't take damage, jsut live long because we're not attacked) or disable opponents a bit with debuffs. There are knights with Slashing level 19, who manage to do 600-800 South Crosses(5), but I'm also not sure if that's the way to go for knights.

I would really want to know what NGD's plans for the knight class is.

-Edge- · 07-03-2009, 11:46 AM

I like how you note that NGD tries to make the knight into a tank with changes like these, but they fail because they are overdone with insane values that just make the knight totally ignored by the enemy.

Clearly the new Protector isn't to fight, or run away under, but its not going to tank anything either. I don't think either side would benefit through it,

Honestly there are tons of great suggestions to other knight spells that could have been done, but this is another Protector change. But what is the point of being a tank that no one attacks anyway. Obviously with shield changes they are trying to make knights the front of the army, but its not working.

DkySven · 07-03-2009, 11:49 AM

Just back from Amun, it seems protector is back in its old form.

B0rn0rTh3ss · 07-03-2009, 03:00 PM

Higher RP achieved by killing a knight?

Aries202 · 07-03-2009, 03:37 PM

I think NGD finds it difficult to make a knight the way its supposed to be, without screwing it up

Brother-brian · 07-04-2009, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Edge-

I like how you note that NGD tries to make the knight into a tank with changes like these, but they fail because they are overdone with insane values that just make the knight totally ignored by the enemy.

Clearly the new Protector isn't to fight, or run away under, but its not going to tank anything either. I don't think either side would benefit through it,

Honestly there are tons of great suggestions to other knight spells that could have been done, but this is another Protector change. But what is the point of being a tank that no one attacks anyway. Obviously with shield changes they are trying to make knights the front of the army, but its not working.

I have tried Protector, and wondered why no one hit me. It seems the only purpose is to be able to walk into enemy infested area and say "Look at me! I'm surrounded by the enemy, and am not dead yet! WOOHOO!"... before cooldown and getting massacred. Attack should still be possible under Protector, maybe at reduced rate, not dmg though.

Dannboy · 07-04-2009, 01:43 AM

I think Precise Block is broken and I dont block a single hit anymore.

A Knight is a tin can that wont harm you, he just stands there waiting to get killed. He neither has the Damage, the speed or the Good computer not to lagg nor crash to kill anyone.

DkySven · 07-04-2009, 08:55 AM

The main problem in my opinion is that now no one wants to target knights and that our auras aren't very useful, which leaves us unable to tank.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dannboy

I think Precise Block is broken and I dont block a single hit anymore.

A Knight is a tin can that wont harm you, he just stands there waiting to get killed. He neither has the Damage, the speed or the Good computer not to lagg nor crash to kill anyone.

Now you need the Block passive in combination with Precise Block to block some hits, but if people putted equal effort in getting hit chance as knights put in getting block chance, knights won't block very much anymore(read: nothing).

relu-cri · 07-04-2009, 09:47 AM

i know only this knight are not a tank at all they are.... ehm ... shit of paper! almost all the classes can kill them more or less easyly. archers kill them runing away and waiting ao1 finished ( ao1 is all knight defence... without that he will die fast... because block is too rare and not so much useful ) barbarian are very advantage because most of them have almost knight hp ( faith has about 4000 hp with good items) but they have an huge attack power and using ms knight will die fast if he has lucky against him

.so please NGD give the old power to knight

or give him more strong defence... or using the new crafting system, give to knights the option to craft their shields

( it's just a suggestion)

Dupa_z_Zasady · 07-03-2009, 05:23 PM

I'd like to thank you for this post Dky, cause this is what i have in my mind myself. I'm really tired of seeing knights being more useless and useless. The best way would be make spell that makes knight "unpasable" for a moment but this and other good ideas, as Edge mentioned, were proposed many times and there is no sign of any to be implemented. Maybe NDG should turn all knights into a barbs and have peace of mind?

07-03-2009, 10:26 AM	#1
DkySven Marquis Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,076	The purpose of the knight Hello people, When seeing the latest change to protector I'm starting to wonder what exactly is the purpose of the knight class. The new version gives +300% protection, which gives the knight a great defense, but I seriously wonder if the -90% speed and -90% damage make the skill it really worth to use. Speed is a key element in any aspect of Regnum, except gate bashing, which won't work with -90% damage. My concern is now that with the speed penalty it will be impossible for knights to be long enough in range of a target to actually debuff him, while enemies just will ignore him because he'll be hard to kill, but way to slow to do anything. I know that it's the knight his job to tank damage realmmates would take otherwise, but with changes like this it only becomes more unattractive to attack knights. Very often I find myself not attacked until I'm the last one left of my army, all my defensive buffs were just wasted. Knights should be attractive to attack or people should be forced to attack him, otherwise he can't tank. With the latest changes knights don't block that much anymore and also their auras will only reduce damage, which makes it harder to keep himself or the group save from crowd control spells and areas like for example Sultar's Terror. Because of the changes to Precise Block and Caution, more and more knights choose to only attack with Army of One on. With Protector they would also get a good protective buff, but like said before they can't do anything with it. With these skill changes we can either "tank" (we won't take damage, jsut live long because we're not attacked) or disable opponents a bit with debuffs. There are knights with Slashing level 19, who manage to do 600-800 South Crosses(5), but I'm also not sure if that's the way to go for knights. I would really want to know what NGD's plans for the knight class is. __________________ Dky Sven, level 54 knight (Ra) Valhalla Dky the Goat, level 35 conjurer(Ra) Dky Sven, level 51 knight(Horus) Something

07-03-2009, 11:49 AM	#3
DkySven Marquis Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,076	Just back from Amun, it seems protector is back in its old form. __________________ Dky Sven, level 54 knight (Ra) Valhalla Dky the Goat, level 35 conjurer(Ra) Dky Sven, level 51 knight(Horus) Something

07-04-2009, 01:43 AM	#7
Dannboy Initiate Join Date: May 2008 Location: With DB on the top of Mount Doom were Sauron lives. Posts: 206	I think Precise Block is broken and I dont block a single hit anymore. A Knight is a tin can that wont harm you, he just stands there waiting to get killed. He neither has the Damage, the speed or the Good computer not to lagg nor crash to kill anyone. __________________ Dannboy, Horus Knight lv 50 Ignis After two years The Cake Is A Lie _But there's no sense crying over every mistake. We just keep on trying till we run out of cake.

07-04-2009, 09:47 AM	#9
relu-cri Pledge Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: italy Posts: 27	i know only this knight are not a tank at all they are.... ehm ... shit of paper! almost all the classes can kill them more or less easyly. archers kill them runing away and waiting ao1 finished ( ao1 is all knight defence... without that he will die fast... because block is too rare and not so much useful ) barbarian are very advantage because most of them have almost knight hp ( faith has about 4000 hp with good items) but they have an huge attack power and using ms knight will die fast if he has lucky against him .so please NGD give the old power to knight or give him more strong defence... or using the new crafting system, give to knights the option to craft their shields ( it's just a suggestion) __________________ cris knight lv 50 ITA

07-03-2009, 11:46 AM	#2
-Edge- Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Łódż, Poland Posts: 1,506	I like how you note that NGD tries to make the knight into a tank with changes like these, but they fail because they are overdone with insane values that just make the knight totally ignored by the enemy. Clearly the new Protector isn't to fight, or run away under, but its not going to tank anything either. I don't think either side would benefit through it, Honestly there are tons of great suggestions to other knight spells that could have been done, but this is another Protector change. But what is the point of being a tank that no one attacks anyway. Obviously with shield changes they are trying to make knights the front of the army, but its not working.

07-03-2009, 03:00 PM	#4
B0rn0rTh3ss Pledge Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 12	Higher RP achieved by killing a knight?

07-03-2009, 03:37 PM	#5
Aries202 Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 569	I think NGD finds it difficult to make a knight the way its supposed to be, without screwing it up

07-03-2009, 05:23 PM	#10
Dupa_z_Zasady Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Poland Posts: 489	I'd like to thank you for this post Dky, cause this is what i have in my mind myself. I'm really tired of seeing knights being more useless and useless. The best way would be make spell that makes knight "unpasable" for a moment but this and other good ideas, as Edge mentioned, were proposed many times and there is no sign of any to be implemented. Maybe NDG should turn all knights into a barbs and have peace of mind?