The useless spell list

UmarilsStillHere · 08-02-2009, 03:52 PM

Well, this is a list of all the spells that are in my opinion 'useless/not used', to be classed as 'useless' I mean;

I never see them in war,
I never see them in grind,
I only very rarely see them at boss events,
They are rarely used over level 1

Since im not perfect I may miss some out, or put some in that you think are usefull, if so post what you think should be added/removed and why, For some spells I comment on their uselessness, here I go...

Warriors

Slash

Athletic: Dex on a warrior, why?
Crash
Fatal Strike: Good on paper but I never see it, I blame mana cost

Blunt

Ribs Breaker
Execution: Broken
Jaw Breaker: I blame mana cost/cast time

Peirce

Impale
Brain Piercing
Multi-Thrust
Lightning Strike: Worst of the areas, I never see this anymore

Tactics

Martial Defence
Back Slam
Martial Reflexes: Broken

Warcries

Colossus: I never see this in use
Intimidaing Threat
Onslaught: Bad Mana -> Effect ratio, shame that the 'definining' spell all barbs used to have is now only used on 5 by 3 or 4 players on the whole server

2 Handed Mastery

Rend
Destabilize
Fulmination
Rage of the Earth

Vanguard

Rigorous Preperation
Awareness
Challenge
Provoking Blow
Arcane Constitution

Sheilds

Ethereal Mantle: I only see this when knights are messing around "bubble dance

"
Run Over
Protector: Often only used on level 1 for running away, better uses for this skill have been suggested

Archers

Short Bows

Meditation
Adaptability

Long Bows

Ofuscate
Projectile Rain

Tricks

Finesse

Evasion

Cat Reflexes: Does it work?
Spell Elude

Scouting

Track Monster
Track Ally
Camouflage Corpse

Pets

...

Aiming Mastery

Finger Crush
Cyclops Curse
Seeking Strike

Arrow Mastery

Needle Blast
Fire Rain

Mages

Mental

Sultars Devouring Mass

Mana Control

Metabolic Control: Conc is a hit and miss stat, a miss imo

Staff Mastery

Protection Dome

Enchantments

Curse
Blindness
Clumsiness

Summoning

Summon Golem: Not as good as the ranged summons before it

Sourcery

Shifting Silhouette
Friendly Shielding

Life

...

Necromancy

Infuriate

Arcania

Petrify Hands
Laziness
Fragility
Wind Wall

Elements

Ice Blast
Frozen Storm
Elemental Exposure

Ok all done, If you think I missed something or put something In that you think is usefull if you can give a good reason I will add/remove it.

I get that NGD need to change 'used' spells as well but it would be nice to see these spells made usefull so people acctualy use them, creating more variety, and making these spells more than pretty icons in the spell book that never get clicked.

Immune · 08-02-2009, 04:14 PM

Finally someone made a list...
I'll speak for the conjurer/mage spells only

Splinter wall is good in fort wars, individual damage isn't good but in the middle of an enemy army the overall damage isn't as bad as you think.

Metabolic control I'm not sure of, does concentration increase spell focus? If so, it's good, but usually used by sm mages.

Mirage is very good imo, I use it alot in fort wars. With mirage + mind blank both lvl 5 a conj gets +90% resist knocks. Combined with mass dispel and you can save your army from those sultar chains.

Friendly shielding is ok, but the cd>duration makes it not worth it.

All the other conj/mage spells I agree with. +1 for making this list.

Acknor · 08-02-2009, 04:16 PM

I have seen (and myself used) colossus on fort doors. I use it on level 1 and suspect others probably don't level it up but use it on 1 as well.

Znurre · 08-02-2009, 04:24 PM

Wtf?

I use Ribs Breaker, Crushing and Rage of the earth (thanks Ara

) all the time.
Before I changed my setup I also used Defensive Stance on lvl 4.

Jaw Breaker isn't a too uncommon sight on RA either, neither is Brain Piercing.
Most knights on RA use Shield Wall or Heroic if using any aura at all.

UmarilsStillHere · 08-02-2009, 04:28 PM

I used to see Ribs often before It was nerfed, nearly never now though, Crushing I have used on level one a few times when I used blunt but I nearly never see it, Ive seen Rage of the Earth on level 5 only once, its expected some people will use these spells and since you play on a more populated server its only natural that you will see more of these around, I dont see them used often enough to be mainstream usefull though :P

Ill pay more attention to Knight auras to see if sheild wall crops up more, but I tend not to see it.

Znurre · 08-02-2009, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Umaril

I used to see Ribs often before It was nerfed, nearly never now though, Crushing I have used on level one a few times when I used blunt but I nearly never see it, Ive seen Rage of the Earth on level 5 only once, its expected some people will use these spells and since you play on a more populated server its only natural that you will see more of these around, I dont see them used often enough to be mainstream usefull though :P

Ill pay more attention to Knight auras to see if sheild wall crops up more, but I tend not to see it.

Crushing is the new replacement for Ribs Breaker since it's instant.
100% damage and -15 const, for 120 mana.

Use this together with TfB and normal hits and you get the same effect as the old Ribs Breaker.
In theory, a crushing lvl 1 will cause around 1k damage on a warrior if you manage to kill him before the duration runs out.

Angelwinged_Devil · 08-02-2009, 04:29 PM

infuriate is useful?

splinter wall is useful if you can figure out how

it's pretty evil I can't see why wind wall and laziness sucks either? Laziness on 5 is 50% attack damage for 20 seconds

UmarilsStillHere · 08-02-2009, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angelwinged_Devil

infuriate is useful?

splinter wall is useful if you can figure out how

it's pretty evil I can't see why wind wall and laziness sucks either? Laziness on 5 is 50% attack damage for 20 seconds

Wind wall wasnt used by many even before the cover was removed, Ive seen it only twice since that update,

Laziness sure, its good on level 5, but I never see it used

Angelwinged_Devil · 08-02-2009, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angelwinged_Devil

infuriate is useful?

splinter wall is useful if you can figure out how

it's pretty evil I can't see why wind wall and laziness sucks either? Laziness on 5 is 50% attack damage for 20 seconds

thing is this is called the useless spell list and not the list of spells that aren't popular

UmarilsStillHere · 08-02-2009, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angelwinged_Devil

thing is this is called the useless spell list and not the list of spells that aren't popular

Its a good spell, but people dont use much/at all because they think other spells are a better investment of points, if it was removed tommorow to be replaced with something else I dont think anyone would miss it, since its not used,

As such, its pretty useless :P

08-02-2009, 03:52 PM	#1
UmarilsStillHere Marquis Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: England Posts: 2,419	The useless spell list Well, this is a list of all the spells that are in my opinion 'useless/not used', to be classed as 'useless' I mean; I never see them in war, I never see them in grind, I only very rarely see them at boss events, They are rarely used over level 1 Since im not perfect I may miss some out, or put some in that you think are usefull, if so post what you think should be added/removed and why, For some spells I comment on their uselessness, here I go... Warriors Slash Athletic: Dex on a warrior, why? Crash Fatal Strike: Good on paper but I never see it, I blame mana cost Blunt Ribs Breaker Execution: Broken Jaw Breaker: I blame mana cost/cast time Peirce Impale Brain Piercing Multi-Thrust Lightning Strike: Worst of the areas, I never see this anymore Tactics Martial Defence Back Slam Martial Reflexes: Broken Warcries Colossus: I never see this in use Intimidaing Threat Onslaught: Bad Mana -> Effect ratio, shame that the 'definining' spell all barbs used to have is now only used on 5 by 3 or 4 players on the whole server 2 Handed Mastery Rend Destabilize Fulmination Rage of the Earth Vanguard Rigorous Preperation Awareness Challenge Provoking Blow Arcane Constitution Sheilds Ethereal Mantle: I only see this when knights are messing around "bubble dance " Run Over Protector: Often only used on level 1 for running away, better uses for this skill have been suggested Archers Short Bows Meditation Adaptability Long Bows Ofuscate Projectile Rain Tricks Finesse Evasion Cat Reflexes: Does it work? Spell Elude Scouting Track Monster Track Ally Camouflage Corpse Pets ... Aiming Mastery Finger Crush Cyclops Curse Seeking Strike Arrow Mastery Needle Blast Fire Rain Mages Mental Sultars Devouring Mass Mana Control Metabolic Control: Conc is a hit and miss stat, a miss imo Staff Mastery Protection Dome Enchantments Curse Blindness Clumsiness Summoning Summon Golem: Not as good as the ranged summons before it Sourcery Shifting Silhouette Friendly Shielding Life ... Necromancy Infuriate Arcania Petrify Hands Laziness Fragility Wind Wall Elements Ice Blast Frozen Storm Elemental Exposure Ok all done, If you think I missed something or put something In that you think is usefull if you can give a good reason I will add/remove it. I get that NGD need to change 'used' spells as well but it would be nice to see these spells made usefull so people acctualy use them, creating more variety, and making these spells more than pretty icons in the spell book that never get clicked. __________________ Faith 50 Barb Faithless 50 Lock Umaril 45 Conju Kailas 45 Marks Pel 45 Knight I N Q U I S I T I O N Last edited by Umaril; 04-07-2010 at 11:59 AM.

08-02-2009, 04:14 PM	#2
Immune Master Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New York Posts: 279	Finally someone made a list... I'll speak for the conjurer/mage spells only Splinter wall is good in fort wars, individual damage isn't good but in the middle of an enemy army the overall damage isn't as bad as you think. Metabolic control I'm not sure of, does concentration increase spell focus? If so, it's good, but usually used by sm mages. Mirage is very good imo, I use it alot in fort wars. With mirage + mind blank both lvl 5 a conj gets +90% resist knocks. Combined with mass dispel and you can save your army from those sultar chains. Friendly shielding is ok, but the cd>duration makes it not worth it. All the other conj/mage spells I agree with. +1 for making this list. __________________ This is a lie.

08-02-2009, 04:16 PM	#3
Acknor Apprentice Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 75	I have seen (and myself used) colossus on fort doors. I use it on level 1 and suspect others probably don't level it up but use it on 1 as well. __________________ Acknor - 50 Barb / Nyvek - 50 Warlock / Quilleth an Fiach - 32 Hunter / Aloysius - 29 Conj I N Q U I S I T I O N

08-02-2009, 04:24 PM	#4
Znurre Marquis Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: RA Posts: 1,897	Wtf? I use Ribs Breaker, Crushing and Rage of the earth (thanks Ara ) all the time. Before I changed my setup I also used Defensive Stance on lvl 4. Jaw Breaker isn't a too uncommon sight on RA either, neither is Brain Piercing. Most knights on RA use Shield Wall or Heroic if using any aura at all. __________________ Winning a fight is not what makes you a good player, it's how you do it. http://home.znur.re/screenshot%20201...2011_39_37.jpg

08-02-2009, 04:28 PM	#5
UmarilsStillHere Marquis Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: England Posts: 2,419	I used to see Ribs often before It was nerfed, nearly never now though, Crushing I have used on level one a few times when I used blunt but I nearly never see it, Ive seen Rage of the Earth on level 5 only once, its expected some people will use these spells and since you play on a more populated server its only natural that you will see more of these around, I dont see them used often enough to be mainstream usefull though :P Ill pay more attention to Knight auras to see if sheild wall crops up more, but I tend not to see it. __________________ Faith 50 Barb Faithless 50 Lock Umaril 45 Conju Kailas 45 Marks Pel 45 Knight I N Q U I S I T I O N

08-02-2009, 04:29 PM	#7
Angelwinged_Devil Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Under your skin Posts: 1337 Posts: 2,490	infuriate is useful? splinter wall is useful if you can figure out how it's pretty evil I can't see why wind wall and laziness sucks either? Laziness on 5 is 50% attack damage for 20 seconds