The Horrible (current) state of Alsius::Horus

Henri_Freundlich · 08-31-2009, 06:11 PM

*Name Removed* : i mean we spent all last night on noob alts talking the piss out of our "organised invasion force" (noob squad)

*Name Removed* : wait untill transfers, then we will see...

*Name Removed* : alsius has poor quality warlocks >.>
*Name Removed* : and pretty crappy conjus
*Name Removed* : obviously there are some major exceptions
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A select few who posts such morale-destroying messages on Realm chat, private Clan Chats and in other public chat services, while waiting anxiously for the server-to-server Character Migration to open up.

Publically mocking our *first* ever successful door-breaking gem-stealing invasion attempts as well as putting the 'everyone is horrible, except us <insert list here>' tag on the entire realm.

Of course, not everybody says these things - it's the select overfrustrated few who sends out low-morale messages on various communications mediums.

It's important to note, that successful companies/organisations/groups/clans works with what they have - their current skillset.

Alsius' first successful door-breaking gem-snatching Invasion worked with the EXISTING skillset, no matter how unskilled the players were. It *almost* went smoothly, with a couple major bumps included. Instead of whining in clan/realm/other chats, we went out there and performed our best, considering the circumstances.

I'm sure, with more guidance/pre-planning, we would have successfully opened the portal that week. However, by the fourth day, most people were mentally exhausted and didn't show up...

*Guidance* is needed from the experienced, instead of ranting about poor player tactics in realm/clan/other chat.

*Guidance* should be given to people that are actually willing to listen and learn - not to those who "dont listen even if u explain things to them" over and over. With the right Mentor/Student combination.

Planning and Guidance should involve EVERYONE when it comes to invasions; not to the select few in <insert clan name here>.

Enemy Target selection/Spell combination for Locks.
100% ally health awareness for conjs.

Yes, I know it's tedious, but sometimes you have to tell them, otherwise they just 'freeze' mid-action.

Note that other RO realms don't complain like *Name Removed* (multiple) did on Public Chat services (that I've seen so far) about lack of invasions, general quality of players etc.

Personally I'm tired of all the rants (and lack of *real* action). C'mon guys, we can pull it off again!

- Concerned Mage (identity somewhere in forum threads), Alsius/Horus.

_dracus_ · 08-31-2009, 06:25 PM

What is an "unexisting skillset" ?

Henri_Freundlich · 08-31-2009, 06:36 PM

Existing Skillset = the skills the group has. For example, Syrtis is Archer-orientated while Alsius is warrior-specific. The Range of people online at the given time.

_dracus_ · 08-31-2009, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Henri_Freundlich

Existing Skillset = the skills the group has. For example, Syrtis is Archer-orientated while Alsius is warrior-specific. The Range of people online at the given time.

Invasion isn't about skillset, it's about quantity.

ArchmagusArcana · 08-31-2009, 07:19 PM

Im not going to lie, ive talked crap before, here, in realm, and in irc. Sometimes you just get frustrated and have to rant and walk away. I try hard not to do it in a manner that will demoralize people, perhaps not always succeeding, but as a whole, im pretty proud of what we can accomplish sometimes WHEN WE WORK TOGETHER. Thats i guess what pisses me off the most; you have noobs that want to just blindly charge, people that want to repeat the same (failing) tactics over and over and over again with no change in outcome, and people that just outright refuse to listen to innovation.

We are at our best when we LISTEN, PLAN, and COORDINATE. When we do these things, we can really kick some ass, when we dont, we fail, and people get pissed off and frustrated. I think that passion can be a really good thing for this game, but in some cases, it just makes people want to quit.

Personally, i dont like invasions (in their current undynamic incarnation), i dont usually bother taking part of them (though i do like to cause havoc at the realm gate if someone else has gotten a gate vuln. I miss open field battles, i miss bridge battles, nice running three way fights, and to me, even fort wars seem a bit stagnant lately. Its all about invasion invasion invasion.

There are a few new players that i can think of that do an amazing job for their first character, most notable a few conju that i can think of, but those are the ones, as you said, that listen to the people that have been playing for a long time. It always seems to come down to that. Ive been playing RPG for 15 years, DnD, Magic The Gathering, and all other manner of strategy games, as well as reading a plethora of middle age wartime books. I can still learn things, everyone can, everyone just needs to listen sometimes. 30 seconds to form a plan isnt going to cost you much and can sometimes handily win you the battle.

I could write a whole book about things that annoy me: People not going when you call terror is a really big one with me, or people not calling terror when the cast it (terror chain + warrior areas are really nice). Once in a while when these things happen, ok, mistakes are made, well make them, myself included, but when its the same people, every battle, all the time, i think you earn a bit of a right to be frustrated. Of course, its a game, and they are real people, and any time you bring more t han one person together, there is an increasing potential for conflict.

Um, so are you talking about that time like 3 or 4 months ago when we took ignis gem, or was this something that happened recently? I was off most of the weekend, so i dont know what happened.

monktbd · 08-31-2009, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ArchmagusArcana

Im not going to lie, ive talked shit before, here, in realm, and in irc. Sometimes you just get frustrated and have to rant and walk away. I try hard not to do it in a manner that will demoralize people, perhaps not always succeeding, but as a whole, im pretty proud of what we can accomplish sometimes WHEN WE WORK TOGETHER. Thats i guess what pisses me off the most; you have noobs that want to just blindly charge, people that want to repeat the same (failing) tactics over and over and over again with no change in outcome, and people that just outright refuse to listen to innovation.
[...plus everything else...]

great post arcan.

we need to listen more, watch more, coordinate more, show more patience and rush less.

Saryad · 08-31-2009, 08:56 PM

*Name Removed(1)* : i mean we spent all last night on noob alts talking the piss out of our "organised invasion force" (noob squad)

*Name Removed(2)* : wait untill transfers, then we will see...

*Name Removed(1)* : alsius has poor quality warlocks >.>
*Name Removed(1)* : and pretty crappy conjus
*Name Removed(1)* : obviously there are some major exceptions
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(1) and (2) are different people, get it right.

I defend the last 3 lines.
Our warlocks mostly have an innability to coordinate areas at any level.
Many of our conjurors are in fact warjurors most of the rest are inexperienced or simply too damn slow.
And the last line is irrelevant to this situation anyway.

And as to when i say dont bother with trelle.... well when there are 10+ greens in there and 6 alsius noobs running at them time after time.... i dont think i even need to say anymore on that.

Get some balls and sign your blubbering.
Also dont post stuff from irc on forums without asking us all first for our consent.

Mbwana · 09-01-2009, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monktbd

great post arcan.

we need to listen more, watch more, coordinate more, show more patience and rush less.

agreed, but for me a lot easier to say than to do

I personally try to listen to experienced players but there are many many times when I miss what they say (I have the attension span of a wasp and lag never helps :/)

Greyman_tle · 09-01-2009, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monktbd

great post arcan.

we need to listen more, watch more, coordinate more, show more patience and rush less.

+1

08-31-2009, 06:11 PM	#1
Henri_Freundlich Pledge Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 35	The Horrible (current) state of Alsius::Horus Name Removed : i mean we spent all last night on noob alts talking the piss out of our "organised invasion force" (noob squad) Name Removed : wait untill transfers, then we will see... Name Removed : alsius has poor quality warlocks >.> Name Removed : and pretty crappy conjus Name Removed : obviously there are some major exceptions ----------------------------------------------- A select few who posts such morale-destroying messages on Realm chat, private Clan Chats and in other public chat services, while waiting anxiously for the server-to-server Character Migration to open up. Publically mocking our first ever successful door-breaking gem-stealing invasion attempts as well as putting the 'everyone is horrible, except us <insert list here>' tag on the entire realm. Of course, not everybody says these things - it's the select overfrustrated few who sends out low-morale messages on various communications mediums. It's important to note, that successful companies/organisations/groups/clans works with what they have - their current skillset. Alsius' first successful door-breaking gem-snatching Invasion worked with the EXISTING skillset, no matter how unskilled the players were. It almost went smoothly, with a couple major bumps included. Instead of whining in clan/realm/other chats, we went out there and performed our best, considering the circumstances. I'm sure, with more guidance/pre-planning, we would have successfully opened the portal that week. However, by the fourth day, most people were mentally exhausted and didn't show up... Guidance is needed from the experienced, instead of ranting about poor player tactics in realm/clan/other chat. Guidance should be given to people that are actually willing to listen and learn - not to those who "dont listen even if u explain things to them" over and over. With the right Mentor/Student combination. Planning and Guidance should involve EVERYONE when it comes to invasions; not to the select few in <insert clan name here>. Enemy Target selection/Spell combination for Locks. 100% ally health awareness for conjs. Yes, I know it's tedious, but sometimes you have to tell them, otherwise they just 'freeze' mid-action. Note that other RO realms don't complain like Name Removed (multiple) did on Public Chat services (that I've seen so far) about lack of invasions, general quality of players etc. Personally I'm tired of all the rants (and lack of real action). C'mon guys, we can pull it off again! - Concerned Mage (identity somewhere in forum threads), Alsius/Horus.

08-31-2009, 06:25 PM	#2
_dracus_ Count Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toulouse Posts: 1,335	What is an "unexisting skillset" ? __________________ « Thanks all, you are right I'm great with the barbarian ... for killing mobs. » -- Athena Stillwater

08-31-2009, 07:19 PM	#5
ArchmagusArcana Master Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 357	Im not going to lie, ive talked crap before, here, in realm, and in irc. Sometimes you just get frustrated and have to rant and walk away. I try hard not to do it in a manner that will demoralize people, perhaps not always succeeding, but as a whole, im pretty proud of what we can accomplish sometimes WHEN WE WORK TOGETHER. Thats i guess what pisses me off the most; you have noobs that want to just blindly charge, people that want to repeat the same (failing) tactics over and over and over again with no change in outcome, and people that just outright refuse to listen to innovation. We are at our best when we LISTEN, PLAN, and COORDINATE. When we do these things, we can really kick some ass, when we dont, we fail, and people get pissed off and frustrated. I think that passion can be a really good thing for this game, but in some cases, it just makes people want to quit. Personally, i dont like invasions (in their current undynamic incarnation), i dont usually bother taking part of them (though i do like to cause havoc at the realm gate if someone else has gotten a gate vuln. I miss open field battles, i miss bridge battles, nice running three way fights, and to me, even fort wars seem a bit stagnant lately. Its all about invasion invasion invasion. There are a few new players that i can think of that do an amazing job for their first character, most notable a few conju that i can think of, but those are the ones, as you said, that listen to the people that have been playing for a long time. It always seems to come down to that. Ive been playing RPG for 15 years, DnD, Magic The Gathering, and all other manner of strategy games, as well as reading a plethora of middle age wartime books. I can still learn things, everyone can, everyone just needs to listen sometimes. 30 seconds to form a plan isnt going to cost you much and can sometimes handily win you the battle. I could write a whole book about things that annoy me: People not going when you call terror is a really big one with me, or people not calling terror when the cast it (terror chain + warrior areas are really nice). Once in a while when these things happen, ok, mistakes are made, well make them, myself included, but when its the same people, every battle, all the time, i think you earn a bit of a right to be frustrated. Of course, its a game, and they are real people, and any time you bring more t han one person together, there is an increasing potential for conflict. Um, so are you talking about that time like 3 or 4 months ago when we took ignis gem, or was this something that happened recently? I was off most of the weekend, so i dont know what happened. __________________ Alsirian Legion Horus: Wulfgar Heartsfang 50 barb: Arcan Heartsfang 50 Lock RA: Drakonklenok 50 Knight Last edited by ArchmagusArcana; 08-31-2009 at 07:43 PM.

08-31-2009, 08:56 PM	#7
Saryad Initiate Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Birmingham UK Posts: 199	Name Removed(1) : i mean we spent all last night on noob alts talking the piss out of our "organised invasion force" (noob squad) Name Removed(2) : wait untill transfers, then we will see... Name Removed(1) : alsius has poor quality warlocks >.> Name Removed(1) : and pretty crappy conjus Name Removed(1) : obviously there are some major exceptions ----------------------------------------------- (1) and (2) are different people, get it right. I defend the last 3 lines. Our warlocks mostly have an innability to coordinate areas at any level. Many of our conjurors are in fact warjurors most of the rest are inexperienced or simply too damn slow. And the last line is irrelevant to this situation anyway. And as to when i say dont bother with trelle.... well when there are 10+ greens in there and 6 alsius noobs running at them time after time.... i dont think i even need to say anymore on that. Get some balls and sign your blubbering. Also dont post stuff from irc on forums without asking us all first for our consent. __________________ Saint Saryad

08-31-2009, 06:36 PM	#3
Henri_Freundlich Pledge Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 35	Existing Skillset = the skills the group has. For example, Syrtis is Archer-orientated while Alsius is warrior-specific. The Range of people online at the given time.