No more multirealm players!

Astron4ut · 10-22-2010, 06:34 PM

There are several players who use unfair tool to inform their main realm(s) about the enemies' movements, invasion etc.
Today lot of players of us was thinking about how to report NGD a correct list including multirealm players. (Actually the support side doens't work.)
Well, we would like to ask NGD to be partner to clean the realms up the traitors out.
Without the fair play the RO will get loosing reputations and get loosing its most faithful players.

bois · 10-22-2010, 07:11 PM

tough call there. While I am no fan of spies and spying, there are many players who happen to maintain the highest form of sportsmanship and do not transmit information.

Yes they are breaking the rule but it is such a Grey area. Added to this, several of those players do contribute to NGD bottom line and as such it might be difficult cutting your nose to spite your face.

Compiling that list and proving spying is going to be a tall order.

Artec

Seher · 10-22-2010, 07:21 PM

Uh yeah... I mean it's completely forbidden to have a nice chat with your enemies. There is no IRC, no mumble and no teamspeak, they are all evil multi realmers. ;P

Or do you want to say that "unfair tools" like those I mentioned above should be forbidden to use ?

Seriously now, players from another realm are not my enemies. You should try to think of them as humans you're playing a game with.

And by the way, that spying stuff never even touched me. Don't try to invade other realms while normal people just want to sleep and it won't bother you, too.

Mikan · 10-22-2010, 09:01 PM

This will never happen for one of several reasons:
1) It is impossible for NGD to prove that the owner of the second account is not a family member. Furthermore, in many cases family members such as brothers and sisters will take over for someone while they are eating or otherwise indisposed, so that they can continue to play.

2) It is almost impossible for NGD to prove that the owner of the second account is even the same, only that they have the same IP address, which can be hundreds or thousands of people behind a single IP address on some networks based upon NAT.

3) Even if you stop this in the game, there are still IRC, mumble, etc. as noted and they are heavily used.

4) You don't even need multirealmers to spy, just someone who is an ally to the enemy. They don't need to have characters of that realm to see a war banner on the map and send a private message on the forum telling them that an invasion is about to happen.

5) Many things in the game are actually possible to predict due to consistent behavior over time and don't even need a spy. At least the majority of the time, which fort will be attacked, enemy numbers and similar can all be predicted, especially if there is Hunters scouting. Remember that they can be anywhere, even at your own fort where you are amassing thinking you are all clever and hidden.

For example, when Ignis tried to invade Alsius last night, it was after they curbstomped Syrtis. You really think we wouldn't expect it?

If NGD started enforcing this it would be very unfair to everyone. Why should I get banned because my wife plays with me and we sometimes share accounts. When you are married everything you have is the property of your spouse too, period, no matter what any EULA says.

Not to mention that some of us have multiple accounts (in some cases in different realms) from a time before extended characters were added, or before multiple servers were added, and stuff like that. And if you start reporting it, NGD won't just enforce one case, they've proven in the past that they solve the problem by enforcing all cases and everyone loses. This is because they lack the manpower to do it properly. Do you remember when the forums used to get a hundred posts a day instead of one post a day? When moderation came it started to die little by little each year as the moderation got more and more aggressive, until there is hardly a reason to even visit them anymore. That is how things work when you are a small company.

This is a fact that you must face every time you complain or report a "haxx0r".

That said it is my personal opinion that on Horus multirealmers are a problem because they claim allegience to one realm even though it is physically impossible to have that if you switch and kill your "allies" whenever it is convenient. This is not the case on RA, where it is a very different environment and friends are quite eager to do battle with their (former?) teammates, often targetting them first in war to pick a fight.

I'll be quite honest; the real problem is Horus simply does not have the friendly atmosphere that RA had when it had similar numbers. There is always some form of drama and always a significant hate for enemy realms, despite the fact that they are players too. And while some will argue that this is the whole point of the game, its not. The point of the game is to play, because it's a game, its not real.

People just need to relax, and in some cases grow up a bit.

Kind regards.

bois · 10-22-2010, 10:24 PM

Excellent post Mikan.

tarashunter · 10-22-2010, 10:31 PM

Agree with the ppl who say that block they spy is impossible.
Invasion now a days,are organized ONLY during the night,when all enemies are sleeping,because is hard to invade.
NGD have RA experience,and is completely different kind of invasion composed by more and more players.
As main server,if things works good on RA,things will remain the same.
What a spy can do on RA?!
Tell anyone enemies are gonna invading?
Lol they are 50 vs 70 or 90 vs 110 or 70 vs 60 vs 90.So spy can't do their work on RA.
I saw only 2 time a "spy-predicted" invasion,and we found first ignis ready to recive us,and second time alsius and ignis were ready too.
As some of you know,there is an entire clan in alsius composed by same ppl who play ignis,the same ppl that sometime you see help eachothers,even if they are of different realm,during invasion and during fort assoult.
So ban an entire clan?
And what char to ban,alsius or ignis,or both?.....lol.... -.-
There are also many syrtis that in the last 4/5 months gone to play in alsius or ignis.
You can see how syrtis past by overpopulated to underpopulated in 1 month and you can clearly see it during the wars,do you think it depends by server transfers???...nah!Let me tell you the answer is "NO" of course.
Spy will ever exist in this game,ngd can't do nothing.
Spy play with small multirealmer groups or anyway with few friends.
To make safe your invasion,advise only the foundators of each clan,and make him advise his own clanmate(usually clan foundators know who is multirealmer).
Don't speak about invasion in general chat during wars.
Don't put invasions banner.
I hope is comprensible what i wrote,sorry for my english.

Mrreality13 · 10-23-2010, 04:42 AM

i dislike multi realmers and always have always will ,but sadly knowing nothing can or will ever be done about it have come to accept thats its part of the game

ps:nicely put ;P
"For example, when Ignis tried to invade Alsius last night, it was after they curbstomped Syrtis. You really think we wouldn't expect it?"

Astron4ut · 10-23-2010, 05:05 AM

I've red in your answers tons of opinions why is it pointless and why is it impossible to controll. But...
Would someone please explain the reason of that multirealmer (Srtis-Ignis) player's behaviour who was joining us while we were planing the tactics and after he left when we started the attacks and somehow he was in the Ignis team who defended Samal. (Of course all Ignis forts was full of defenders...) Later under the invasion we saw him logging into Syrtis for some minutes and we met him again as an Ignis player... This is not a pure method, even everybody tries to say it is...
The other one: of course I don't wanna monkey with NGD technical strategies, but there is stun server what is usefull to check a player's behind eg. a router etc...
In last case we will publish the multirealmer players and report to NGD. I guess NGD is adult enought to decide what will be happened with traitors...

Darcyeti · 10-23-2010, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikan

This will never happen for one of several reasons:
1) It is impossible for NGD to prove that the owner of the second account is not a family member. Furthermore, in many cases family members such as brothers and sisters will take over for someone while they are eating or otherwise indisposed, so that they can continue to play.

2) It is almost impossible for NGD to prove that the owner of the second account is even the same, only that they have the same IP address, which can be hundreds or thousands of people behind a single IP address on some networks based upon NAT.

It happens on the german servers. It's forbitten by gamigo to play in different realms if you live in one household. It could be handled by NGD the same way. Even having more then one family member playing regnum must be told to gamigo with account and real names. If thats not done, it's possible to get the accounts banned.

But as Seher stated, you don't have to be a multirealmer to talk with players of other realms. We are all human beings and should differ between ingame chars and the player.

doppelapfel · 10-23-2010, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darcyeti

It happens on the german servers. It's forbitten by gamigo to play in different realms if you live in one household. It could be handled by NGD the same way. Even having more then one family member playing regnum must be told to gamigo with account and real names. If thats not done, it's possible to get the accounts banned.

But as Seher stated, you don't have to be a multirealmer to talk with players of other realms. We are all human beings and should differ between ingame chars and the player.

So all multi realmers would simply tell NGD that theyre husbands/sisters/what ever started playing RO.

10-22-2010, 06:34 PM	#1
Astron4ut Pledge Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5	No more multirealm players! There are several players who use unfair tool to inform their main realm(s) about the enemies' movements, invasion etc. Today lot of players of us was thinking about how to report NGD a correct list including multirealm players. (Actually the support side doens't work.) Well, we would like to ask NGD to be partner to clean the realms up the traitors out. Without the fair play the RO will get loosing reputations and get loosing its most faithful players.

10-22-2010, 09:01 PM	#4
Mikan Baron Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: In Nekoko's lap ;) Posts: 768	This will never happen for one of several reasons: 1) It is impossible for NGD to prove that the owner of the second account is not a family member. Furthermore, in many cases family members such as brothers and sisters will take over for someone while they are eating or otherwise indisposed, so that they can continue to play. 2) It is almost impossible for NGD to prove that the owner of the second account is even the same, only that they have the same IP address, which can be hundreds or thousands of people behind a single IP address on some networks based upon NAT. 3) Even if you stop this in the game, there are still IRC, mumble, etc. as noted and they are heavily used. 4) You don't even need multirealmers to spy, just someone who is an ally to the enemy. They don't need to have characters of that realm to see a war banner on the map and send a private message on the forum telling them that an invasion is about to happen. 5) Many things in the game are actually possible to predict due to consistent behavior over time and don't even need a spy. At least the majority of the time, which fort will be attacked, enemy numbers and similar can all be predicted, especially if there is Hunters scouting. Remember that they can be anywhere, even at your own fort where you are amassing thinking you are all clever and hidden. For example, when Ignis tried to invade Alsius last night, it was after they curbstomped Syrtis. You really think we wouldn't expect it? If NGD started enforcing this it would be very unfair to everyone. Why should I get banned because my wife plays with me and we sometimes share accounts. When you are married everything you have is the property of your spouse too, period, no matter what any EULA says. Not to mention that some of us have multiple accounts (in some cases in different realms) from a time before extended characters were added, or before multiple servers were added, and stuff like that. And if you start reporting it, NGD won't just enforce one case, they've proven in the past that they solve the problem by enforcing all cases and everyone loses. This is because they lack the manpower to do it properly. Do you remember when the forums used to get a hundred posts a day instead of one post a day? When moderation came it started to die little by little each year as the moderation got more and more aggressive, until there is hardly a reason to even visit them anymore. That is how things work when you are a small company. This is a fact that you must face every time you complain or report a "haxx0r". That said it is my personal opinion that on Horus multirealmers are a problem because they claim allegience to one realm even though it is physically impossible to have that if you switch and kill your "allies" whenever it is convenient. This is not the case on RA, where it is a very different environment and friends are quite eager to do battle with their (former?) teammates, often targetting them first in war to pick a fight. I'll be quite honest; the real problem is Horus simply does not have the friendly atmosphere that RA had when it had similar numbers. There is always some form of drama and always a significant hate for enemy realms, despite the fact that they are players too. And while some will argue that this is the whole point of the game, its not. The point of the game is to play, because it's a game, its not real. People just need to relax, and in some cases grow up a bit. Kind regards. __________________ Hannah Amelie • Catalina Nevena • Alicia Godwyn Alsius Horus ✝ No chance of victory, no chance of defeat ✝ Frozen Flame Individually, we are one drop. Together, we are an ocean. An ocean of drama. Last edited by Mikan; 10-22-2010 at 09:12 PM.

10-22-2010, 10:31 PM	#6
tarashunter Initiate Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Retired Posts: 203	Agree with the ppl who say that block they spy is impossible. Invasion now a days,are organized ONLY during the night,when all enemies are sleeping,because is hard to invade. NGD have RA experience,and is completely different kind of invasion composed by more and more players. As main server,if things works good on RA,things will remain the same. What a spy can do on RA?! Tell anyone enemies are gonna invading? Lol they are 50 vs 70 or 90 vs 110 or 70 vs 60 vs 90.So spy can't do their work on RA. I saw only 2 time a "spy-predicted" invasion,and we found first ignis ready to recive us,and second time alsius and ignis were ready too. As some of you know,there is an entire clan in alsius composed by same ppl who play ignis,the same ppl that sometime you see help eachothers,even if they are of different realm,during invasion and during fort assoult. So ban an entire clan? And what char to ban,alsius or ignis,or both?.....lol.... -.- There are also many syrtis that in the last 4/5 months gone to play in alsius or ignis. You can see how syrtis past by overpopulated to underpopulated in 1 month and you can clearly see it during the wars,do you think it depends by server transfers???...nah!Let me tell you the answer is "NO" of course. Spy will ever exist in this game,ngd can't do nothing. Spy play with small multirealmer groups or anyway with few friends. To make safe your invasion,advise only the foundators of each clan,and make him advise his own clanmate(usually clan foundators know who is multirealmer). Don't speak about invasion in general chat during wars. Don't put invasions banner. I hope is comprensible what i wrote,sorry for my english. Last edited by tarashunter; 10-22-2010 at 10:48 PM.

10-23-2010, 04:42 AM	#7
Mrreality13 Apprentice Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: in a NOMAM meeting atm Posts: 82	i dislike multi realmers and always have always will ,but sadly knowing nothing can or will ever be done about it have come to accept thats its part of the game ps:nicely put ;P "For example, when Ignis tried to invade Alsius last night, it was after they curbstomped Syrtis. You really think we wouldn't expect it?" __________________ never approach a computer thinking"this will just take a minute"-- 59 barb- main//conj 50 parked//40 knight parked

10-22-2010, 07:11 PM	#2
bois Count Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Trinidad and Tobago Posts: 1,194	tough call there. While I am no fan of spies and spying, there are many players who happen to maintain the highest form of sportsmanship and do not transmit information. Yes they are breaking the rule but it is such a Grey area. Added to this, several of those players do contribute to NGD bottom line and as such it might be difficult cutting your nose to spite your face. Compiling that list and proving spying is going to be a tall order. Artec

10-22-2010, 07:21 PM	#3
Seher Count Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Bavaria Posts: 1,026	Uh yeah... I mean it's completely forbidden to have a nice chat with your enemies. There is no IRC, no mumble and no teamspeak, they are all evil multi realmers. ;P Or do you want to say that "unfair tools" like those I mentioned above should be forbidden to use ? Seriously now, players from another realm are not my enemies. You should try to think of them as humans you're playing a game with. And by the way, that spying stuff never even touched me. Don't try to invade other realms while normal people just want to sleep and it won't bother you, too.

10-22-2010, 10:24 PM	#5
bois Count Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Trinidad and Tobago Posts: 1,194	Excellent post Mikan.

10-23-2010, 05:05 AM	#8
Astron4ut Pledge Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5	I've red in your answers tons of opinions why is it pointless and why is it impossible to controll. But... Would someone please explain the reason of that multirealmer (Srtis-Ignis) player's behaviour who was joining us while we were planing the tactics and after he left when we started the attacks and somehow he was in the Ignis team who defended Samal. (Of course all Ignis forts was full of defenders...) Later under the invasion we saw him logging into Syrtis for some minutes and we met him again as an Ignis player... This is not a pure method, even everybody tries to say it is... The other one: of course I don't wanna monkey with NGD technical strategies, but there is stun server what is usefull to check a player's behind eg. a router etc... In last case we will publish the multirealmer players and report to NGD. I guess NGD is adult enought to decide what will be happened with traitors...