"Protection" vs. "Resist Damage" vs. "Armor"

[Geev]

I understand what these are on a general level. Protection boosts your armor and resist damage cuts down on the damage you receive. But what is the precise math behind them and how do they operate?

If I increase Protection by 100% how does this affect the damage I receive mathematically?

Is Resist Damage a chance to resist damage AND a damage reducer, or does it always work and always reduce damage. Does it reduce damage after armor reduction is calculated or before?

Do we know how Armor reduces damage precisely?

[WarParty]

Originally Posted by Geev

I understand what these are on a general level. Protection boosts your armor and resist damage cuts down on the damage you receive. But what is the precise math behind them and how do they operate?

If I increase Protection by 100% how does this affect the damage I receive mathematically?

Is Resist Damage a chance to resist damage AND a damage reducer, or does it always work and always reduce damage. Does it reduce damage after armor reduction is calculated or before?

Do we know how Armor reduces damage precisely?

Sadly we don't and I don't think NGD really knows either to be honest.
We should have resist stats in our game character profile and also CS/AS ratio.
We do not have any of these and I have not seen anywhere that NGD lists these for us as most ALL MMO's do.
All armor lists Very good, good, bad and very bad on armor stats for all damage types yet no where can you find out exactly what bad is % wise.


O M E G A

P.S. This maybe a question of the week ?.

[Latan]

Originally Posted by Geev

If I increase Protection by 100% how does this affect the damage I receive mathematically?

it doubles your armor points
I.E. a marks with 300 armor with 5% protection helmet and 5% breastplate has 330 armor points.
a barbarian hits him for a 700 dmg normal hit.
the 300 points armor reduces damages to 550
the 330 points armor reduces damages to 535

Originally Posted by Geev

Is Resist Damage a chance to resist damage AND a damage reducer, or does it always work and always reduce damage. Does it reduce damage after armor reduction is calculated or before?

it's not a chance, it's a damage reducer.
it's calculated AFTER armor reduction.
if we take the previous example, a 10% slash resistance would bring damages to 495 and 482 damages (both examples)

Originally Posted by Geev

Do we know how Armor reduces damage precisely?

if you mean the good/bad resistance...good/very bood/excellent is +30%, +60%, +90% armor and -30/60% for bad/v.bad
so a full good vs piercing and very bad vs fire 300 points armor would mean that works like a 390 points armor vs piercing and as a 120 points armor vs fire

[Geev]

Originally Posted by Latan

it doubles your armor points
I.E. a marks with 300 armor with 5% protection helmet and 5% breastplate has 330 armor points.
a barbarian hits him for a 700 dmg normal hit.
the 300 points armor reduces damages to 550
the 330 points armor reduces damages to 535



it's not a chance, it's a damage reducer.
it's calculated AFTER armor reduction.
if we take the previous example, a 10% slash resistance would bring damages to 495 and 482 damages (both examples)


if you mean the good/bad resistance...good/very bood/excellent is +30%, +60%, +90% armor and -30/60% for bad/v.bad
so a full good vs piercing and very bad vs fire 300 points armor would mean that works like a 390 points armor vs piercing and as a 120 points armor vs fire

How are you getting 550 and 535?

good/very good it is my understanding that these are +15/+30 *points* added to that armor piece's contribution and vice versa, and then calculated.

In general, I've found that players under Heroic Presence 5 take very little damage -- much less than 1/2 -- from mobs. The other day I was grinding with a barb who was taking 18 pts damage from an Ignean Orc Captain at the OC. I'm sure he had caution going but 80% + 30% = slightly more than double the armor points.

[VandaMan]

MAGIC ARMOR THINGY THAT KNOWS STUFF MAGICALLY AND SHIT!

[Geev]

Originally Posted by VandaMan

MAGIC ARMOR THINGY THAT KNOWS STUFF MAGICALLY AND SHIT!

Very nice. Calculations based on what source?

[Miraculix]

Originally Posted by Geev

Very nice. Calculations based on what source?

The last person who mentioned where the calculations come from got an infraction from DkySven for insulting the creator of the tool. Suffice to say they come from a dark place where it doesn't smell so good.

[Latan]

Originally Posted by Necrovarus

Resist damage (not to be confused with damage type resistances found on each piece of armour) is always shown as a % value, and will reduce damage taken by that number. So if you have 30% resist dmg to physical dmg, a slashing attack which would've done 100 dmg to you will be reduced to 70, then further mitigated by armour/protection.

no, it works in the opposite way.
FIRST act the armor, THEN the damage reduction

Originally Posted by -Logan-

Say I have a full set of Lion armor which is very good against piercing damage. Lets say it has +2% resist physical damage and +3% resist piercing damage. Would I receive +35% resistance against piercing damage ?

no.
if you have a full very good against piercing 300 point armor, it will be act like a 480points armor (300+60%), THEN a further 5% of the damage that would be taken, will be resisted

Originally Posted by -Logan-

Additionally, does that sum up with other powers like a passive +10% resist piercing or +20% resist physical damage?

yes.
with frenzy (5) and steel temper (5) you could have 20% resistance against slashing and blunt, and 30% against piercing

Originally Posted by -Logan-

A bit unrelated perhaps, I was doing a lot of tests on damage reduction, and it seems that there is a cap on the max damage you can reduce, or maybe just to reduce more damage I would need a much larger bonus. Archer guards hit me for 11 damage, but when I buff with Caution, Frenzy, or even bring Steel Temper along they still hit me for 11 damage.

the cap is 95%
(I.E. a serpent bite can't deal less damages than 25 + 5/tick)

Originally Posted by Geev

How are you getting 550 and 535?

[700-(300/2)] and [700-(330/2)]

Originally Posted by Geev

good/very good it is my understanding that these are +15/+30 *points* added to that armor piece's contribution and vice versa, and then calculated.

no.
with the last balance it's +30% and +60% (+90% excellent)

[Geev]

Originally Posted by Latan

no, it works in the opposite way.

[700-(300/2)] and [700-(330/2)]

Ok, where is the "/2" coming from?

no.
with the last balance it's +30% and +60% (+90% excellent)

I'm not seeing this in the list of changes for 1.6.6 or 1.6.5:

http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/index...ec=27&subsec=2

The Wiki reflects your statement although I seem to remember that it was points. If it is now percent that makes the impact of resistances much, much stronger. Will have to now reevaluate my armor.

[Latan]

Originally Posted by Geev

Ok, where is the "/2" coming from?

tests :P

armor reduction:
(armor_points/2) for archers
(a_p/1.82) for warriors
(a_p/1.66) for mages

try this tool: it's very accurate