And people wonder why Alsius isn't as active in the WZ?

Mattdoesrock · 03-30-2011, 10:11 PM

We have this to look forward to.

And the worst part?

P.S. inb4lock

Guardian_Angel · 03-30-2011, 10:13 PM

They just sit and farm at the save, then probably sit there jerking each other off and talk about how great they are because they can save camp.

Losers.

VandaMan · 03-30-2011, 10:32 PM

Poor Alsius

Minorian · 03-30-2011, 11:10 PM

They arent as active because of this, and this is because of fort invulnerability and still needing to complete quests, and this is because of the new invasion mechanics.

Get rid of the stupid fort invulnerability already.

A_K_M · 03-30-2011, 11:13 PM

Lol

maybe you should just rez wall

Wes_ · 03-31-2011, 10:59 AM

None of us actually wonder why Alsius isn't active in the warzone. It's pretty clear, and in fact it's been that clear since before the warmaster expansion. Alsius' general population doesn't like to war. You can try and blame it on the warmaster expansion or the new invasion mechanics or the new warmaster quests, which all admittedly are factors for the current save/market camping, but what's seen from those screenshots is only a recent blip when compared to the big picture of Alsius' inactivity. Whether it's at a fort, during an invasion, at their market, at their save...Alsius simply doesn't like to war. You can try to dispute my argument, but there's overwhelming evidence to this claim.

The new invasion mechanics actually make it easier for underpopulated(and yes, I'm even giving you this word although I use it quite loosely) realms to defend against an attack. There are so many more ways for the few to make a stand against an invading zerg than there ever were in the old invasion mechanics. I remember the last invasion of alsius, I remember a group of alsius attacking one of the forts just once before their gates became endangered. With the lack of tries to get the forts back we all figured you were preparing for a gate defense to stop us there. I was a part of the 4-man gate-bashing/gem-removal group and was stunned when I didn't see a single goat waiting to stop us at the gate. I was even more stunned when I made it to the gem to see 5 goats waiting there. But what shocked me even more was that they made no attempt to stop our 4-man group from grabbing the gem and waltzing out of the realm with it, instead they followed us to the gate and only then tried to attack us as we left the realm. The game mechanics granted you so many options during that fight, and Alsius simply didn't explore a single one of those options.
Another example to back my claim is the warzone statistics of forts captured. Players in all realms don't have to see the actual numbers themselves to know that Alsius simply don't put any effort into taking enemy forts. Using underpopulation is a lame excuse in this regard as well because we all actually experience and practice this tactic everyday: Grab a small group of warzone-ready players and march over to an empty/slightly afk-empty enemy fort and take it. That's right, four or five people can easily take a central fort with little-to-no enemy resistance. Sure, you can argue that there's no point in doing that simply because the fort has a tendency to get zerged within minutes and you can't stop it. That happens to all realms, everyday. But I think what you fail to see out of this move is the attention that it brings to the realm you just woke up and to your allies. People see a fort being taken and it encourages them to investigate, it serves as a beacon for players that were looking for some kind of action. This is how the other two realms stir up most of the action on a daily basis.
Yet another piece of evidence to back my claim is the current post-invasion fort war mechanics. I actually think NGD did a good job here in that regard. The forts should be uncapturable for many reasons. For starters, with your gems gone from your realm, your situation in this ongoing battle just got a little more intense than protecting your territory by keeping your forts clear of enemies...it's more global and urgent...NGD and Regnum are telling you that you need to get those gems back. You need to strike at the enemy in their own land. You need to counter-invade. And i think that making your forts uncapturable is a pretty good move on NGD's part to get that point across. The only problem that lies in this regard is again my claim: Alsius simply does not like to war. And in no way, shape or form is NGD or the new mechanics responsible for this attitude.

Addressing the screenshots and all the negative comments on the current market and save-camping in Alsius, I don't really understand why Alsius is really so against the newest trend in fulfilling the warmaster quests. No one likes being save camped, I get that. But it's not exactly a camp if we can see a sizable Alsius army willing to fight us there. I've not seen so many Alsius in quite a long time, and in my opinion, the open-field fighting near the market, the save, and around aggy surroundings have been really quite fun in comparison to the old fort warring. Many of the naysayers have said that it would be much more fun for everyone if Alsius could have their forts capturable so the fights would be there instead of near the save. But, I don't understand why...we've all seen that situation from before the warmaster expansion. The same four Alsius coming to try and take aggy back, lame. The real reason you choose not to enjoy the action at the save is simple: Alsius does not like to war.

So, in conclusion, I'd like to hijack this thread and raise the real question: Why doesn't Alsius like to war?

Lostican · 03-31-2011, 12:34 PM

As much as I'd like to argue with Wes, I cannot. Over 2 hours last night and no forts were taken by Alsius. I hate save camping, I think its lame and causes folks being camped to rage-quit and not have fun.

But, what am I suppose to do? I go walking around Alsius looking for quest kills, but can't find anyone. When I do, your all grouped up together and just zerg me.

So, I finally follow a group to the save....just to see 15 Alsius defending the alter??? I don't get this?

Why don't you just rez at the gate?

Why don't you just regroup somewhere else, go take a fort and laugh at us as we stand by your alter with nothing to do???

Why?? For the love of all things good....do you kill us elfs, when we are trying to help you at YOUR save.,,,,,Yes....There are actualy some of us in Sytris that just love to go back-stab Ignis at the Alsius save. Yet, most of the time...I see goats attacking us along side the pigs.

Same for when Ignis tries to invade Alsius. Many of us in Syrtis try to go and help Alsius. Not because we have some kind of love for goat cheese, but because we just don't wanna see Ignis invade AGAIN.

Yet everytime...I get Alsius ignoring pigs to come kill us.

I don't mean to troll this thread or change what its about. I agree Alsius needs help with more players. But if you don't want to be save camped....

capture MORE forts.....

Hunt MORE often.....

Camp bridges....

Camp our main gates....

Watch what the other two realms do...and base your strategy off of war results. (if Ignis goes Herb, camp PB) (If elves go Samal, camp PB)

I have seen some Alsius doing things like this...

go join them...

w_larsen · 03-31-2011, 04:11 PM

for one, getting capturable forts back, would give some "target" - milestone to accomplish. many players/humans/androids are driven by "targets" to reach. in this case it would be getting enemies out of aggersborg. in case of oc/market camping parties, its bit harder, because you don't have clear target to reach. when you have dealt with situation? when last fleeing runner crosses bridge? when he merges with the zerg coming back and you get killed? when you realise, that he or she is on maxspeed and you wont be able to reach him/her?

but adressing wes "the real question", i think that alsians are kind of assuming role of being oppressed. perhaps like the woman, who get beaten up by their partners, but still live with them. as time passes this model is harder and harder to break out of and new people get "adjusted" to it even unwillingly.
now even with all the growth we are experienceing, its hard to shift from this model "we are underpopulated", and there is not so many "we are awesome at this" things that can be done in ro world.

_Seinvan · 03-31-2011, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Wes_

The new invasion mechanics actually make it easier for underpopulated(and yes, I'm even giving you this word although I use it quite loosely) realms to defend against an attack. There are so many more ways for the few to make a stand against an invading zerg than there ever were in the old invasion mechanics.
....
Why doesn't Alsius like to war?

Not that I'm going to disagree with you on the first part, but just saying that right now it's impossible to go on the offense aside from going to Meni/Alga (which we get shit about anyway, which is stupid) because our wz is trampled on by enemies. Once they're dead they show up 5 minutes later at the same location. There's no way to make a (decent) counter-offensive at this time due to the combination of fort immunity and these crap quests that encourage such unsportsmanlike behavior from both realms.

As to why Alsius doesn't like to war.. I've been asking myself the same question. It seems we need the right people on if we want to have a good fight.. but otherwise (save/market camping aside) it's just us being beaten into submission via Aggs. I do believe everyone's had this underpopulation mentality for a while but we're not so underpopulated anymore. It's just quite a few of our players have no idea what they're doing half the time in war..

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Originally Posted by Lostican

As much as I'd like to argue with Wes, I cannot. Over 2 hours last night and no forts were taken by Alsius. I hate save camping, I think its lame and causes folks being camped to rage-quit and not have fun.
so why do you camp our save/market..? give your syrtis friends a thought and say "lets kill some ignis instead of farming alsius at their save"

But, what am I suppose to do? I go walking around Alsius looking for quest kills, but can't find anyone. When I do, your all grouped up together and just zerg me.
the grouping together is part of the whole "war" thing. that, and we're at our save.

So, I finally follow a group to the save....just to see 15 Alsius defending the alter??? I don't get this?
I don't get this either

Why don't you just rez at the gate?
because the fight is at the save. abandoning your allies is shitty. even if someone told everyone to 'rez at gate' no one would listen :\ alsius needs someone that everyone will listen to.

Why don't you just regroup somewhere else, go take a fort and laugh at us as we stand by your alter with nothing to do???
we've been trying.

Why?? For the love of all things good....do you kill us elfs, when we are trying to help you at YOUR save.,,,,,Yes....There are actualy some of us in Sytris that just love to go back-stab Ignis at the Alsius save. Yet, most of the time...I see goats attacking us along side the pigs.
while there may be some of you willing to help us (Cannas..

) the fact is most of you are out to get us. also, enemies are enemies; not friends. if you want to help that's fine, but don't turn around and start hitting us once you're done helping, that's shitty. plus, everyone just has to get that laptop, so you need to kill us too.

Same for when Ignis tries to invade Alsius. Many of us in Syrtis try to go and help Alsius. Not because we have some kind of love for goat cheese, but because we just don't wanna see Ignis invade AGAIN.
see above. it's not that we don't accept your help, it's just that some of us don't realize you're helping.

Yet everytime...I get Alsius ignoring pigs to come kill us.
once again, enemies; not friends.

I don't mean to troll this thread or change what its about. I agree Alsius needs help with more players. But if you don't want to be save camped....

capture MORE forts.....
we've been trying.

Hunt MORE often.....
we've been trying.

Camp bridges....
we've been trying.

Camp our main gates....
shitty way to play.

Watch what the other two realms do...and base your strategy off of war results. (if Ignis goes Herb, camp PB) (If elves go Samal, camp PB)
we've been trying.

I have seen some Alsius doing things like this...

go join them...

responses in yellow.

Anyriand · 04-01-2011, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wes_

So, in conclusion, I'd like to hijack this thread and raise the real question: Why doesn't Alsius like to war?

Will you ppl give it a rest already??? We spent the whole day yesterday at meni and shaan...and the same goes for the past 4 or 5 days. I manage to complete the wm quests every single day just by war.

The 8 ppl the 30 of you were farming at the save like to war too, otherwise we wouldn't have tried to kill you...

03-30-2011, 10:11 PM	#1
Mattdoesrock Count Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: England, UK. Posts: 1,055	And people wonder why Alsius isn't as active in the WZ? We have this to look forward to. And the worst part? P.S. inb4lock __________________ MattdoesJOKE_#40_NOT_FOUND RA / Hor... Haven?

03-30-2011, 11:13 PM	#5
A_K_M Apprentice Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 67	Lol maybe you should just rez wall __________________ Horus: AKM lvl 50 Conjurer, Chiller lvl 42 Warlock, MAK lvl 50 Knight, A K M lvl 45 Hunter

03-31-2011, 10:59 AM	#6
Wes_ Pledge Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 11	None of us actually wonder why Alsius isn't active in the warzone. It's pretty clear, and in fact it's been that clear since before the warmaster expansion. Alsius' general population doesn't like to war. You can try and blame it on the warmaster expansion or the new invasion mechanics or the new warmaster quests, which all admittedly are factors for the current save/market camping, but what's seen from those screenshots is only a recent blip when compared to the big picture of Alsius' inactivity. Whether it's at a fort, during an invasion, at their market, at their save...Alsius simply doesn't like to war. You can try to dispute my argument, but there's overwhelming evidence to this claim. The new invasion mechanics actually make it easier for underpopulated(and yes, I'm even giving you this word although I use it quite loosely) realms to defend against an attack. There are so many more ways for the few to make a stand against an invading zerg than there ever were in the old invasion mechanics. I remember the last invasion of alsius, I remember a group of alsius attacking one of the forts just once before their gates became endangered. With the lack of tries to get the forts back we all figured you were preparing for a gate defense to stop us there. I was a part of the 4-man gate-bashing/gem-removal group and was stunned when I didn't see a single goat waiting to stop us at the gate. I was even more stunned when I made it to the gem to see 5 goats waiting there. But what shocked me even more was that they made no attempt to stop our 4-man group from grabbing the gem and waltzing out of the realm with it, instead they followed us to the gate and only then tried to attack us as we left the realm. The game mechanics granted you so many options during that fight, and Alsius simply didn't explore a single one of those options. Another example to back my claim is the warzone statistics of forts captured. Players in all realms don't have to see the actual numbers themselves to know that Alsius simply don't put any effort into taking enemy forts. Using underpopulation is a lame excuse in this regard as well because we all actually experience and practice this tactic everyday: Grab a small group of warzone-ready players and march over to an empty/slightly afk-empty enemy fort and take it. That's right, four or five people can easily take a central fort with little-to-no enemy resistance. Sure, you can argue that there's no point in doing that simply because the fort has a tendency to get zerged within minutes and you can't stop it. That happens to all realms, everyday. But I think what you fail to see out of this move is the attention that it brings to the realm you just woke up and to your allies. People see a fort being taken and it encourages them to investigate, it serves as a beacon for players that were looking for some kind of action. This is how the other two realms stir up most of the action on a daily basis. Yet another piece of evidence to back my claim is the current post-invasion fort war mechanics. I actually think NGD did a good job here in that regard. The forts should be uncapturable for many reasons. For starters, with your gems gone from your realm, your situation in this ongoing battle just got a little more intense than protecting your territory by keeping your forts clear of enemies...it's more global and urgent...NGD and Regnum are telling you that you need to get those gems back. You need to strike at the enemy in their own land. You need to counter-invade. And i think that making your forts uncapturable is a pretty good move on NGD's part to get that point across. The only problem that lies in this regard is again my claim: Alsius simply does not like to war. And in no way, shape or form is NGD or the new mechanics responsible for this attitude. Addressing the screenshots and all the negative comments on the current market and save-camping in Alsius, I don't really understand why Alsius is really so against the newest trend in fulfilling the warmaster quests. No one likes being save camped, I get that. But it's not exactly a camp if we can see a sizable Alsius army willing to fight us there. I've not seen so many Alsius in quite a long time, and in my opinion, the open-field fighting near the market, the save, and around aggy surroundings have been really quite fun in comparison to the old fort warring. Many of the naysayers have said that it would be much more fun for everyone if Alsius could have their forts capturable so the fights would be there instead of near the save. But, I don't understand why...we've all seen that situation from before the warmaster expansion. The same four Alsius coming to try and take aggy back, lame. The real reason you choose not to enjoy the action at the save is simple: Alsius does not like to war. So, in conclusion, I'd like to hijack this thread and raise the real question: Why doesn't Alsius like to war? __________________ Wes It's a game.Play it!

03-30-2011, 10:13 PM	#2
Guardian_Angel Pledge Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1	They just sit and farm at the save, then probably sit there jerking each other off and talk about how great they are because they can save camp. Losers.

03-30-2011, 10:32 PM	#3
VandaMan Baron Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 747	Poor Alsius

03-30-2011, 11:10 PM	#4
Minorian Master Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Peterborough ON Posts: 597	They arent as active because of this, and this is because of fort invulnerability and still needing to complete quests, and this is because of the new invasion mechanics. Get rid of the stupid fort invulnerability already.

03-31-2011, 12:34 PM	#7
Lostican Apprentice Join Date: May 2008 Location: USA Posts: 64	As much as I'd like to argue with Wes, I cannot. Over 2 hours last night and no forts were taken by Alsius. I hate save camping, I think its lame and causes folks being camped to rage-quit and not have fun. But, what am I suppose to do? I go walking around Alsius looking for quest kills, but can't find anyone. When I do, your all grouped up together and just zerg me. So, I finally follow a group to the save....just to see 15 Alsius defending the alter??? I don't get this? Why don't you just rez at the gate? Why don't you just regroup somewhere else, go take a fort and laugh at us as we stand by your alter with nothing to do??? Why?? For the love of all things good....do you kill us elfs, when we are trying to help you at YOUR save.,,,,,Yes....There are actualy some of us in Sytris that just love to go back-stab Ignis at the Alsius save. Yet, most of the time...I see goats attacking us along side the pigs. Same for when Ignis tries to invade Alsius. Many of us in Syrtis try to go and help Alsius. Not because we have some kind of love for goat cheese, but because we just don't wanna see Ignis invade AGAIN. Yet everytime...I get Alsius ignoring pigs to come kill us. I don't mean to troll this thread or change what its about. I agree Alsius needs help with more players. But if you don't want to be save camped.... capture MORE forts..... Hunt MORE often..... Camp bridges.... Camp our main gates.... Watch what the other two realms do...and base your strategy off of war results. (if Ignis goes Herb, camp PB) (If elves go Samal, camp PB) I have seen some Alsius doing things like this... go join them...

03-31-2011, 04:11 PM	#8
w_larsen Initiate Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 111	for one, getting capturable forts back, would give some "target" - milestone to accomplish. many players/humans/androids are driven by "targets" to reach. in this case it would be getting enemies out of aggersborg. in case of oc/market camping parties, its bit harder, because you don't have clear target to reach. when you have dealt with situation? when last fleeing runner crosses bridge? when he merges with the zerg coming back and you get killed? when you realise, that he or she is on maxspeed and you wont be able to reach him/her? but adressing wes "the real question", i think that alsians are kind of assuming role of being oppressed. perhaps like the woman, who get beaten up by their partners, but still live with them. as time passes this model is harder and harder to break out of and new people get "adjusted" to it even unwillingly. now even with all the growth we are experienceing, its hard to shift from this model "we are underpopulated", and there is not so many "we are awesome at this" things that can be done in ro world.