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[Minorian]

Dear God, the armor difference outruns the cs bonus. You can actually see an noticeable increase of damage by about 75 (Me and friend tested).

What is the most OP?
"the only non epic boss drop worth using...." (Satarco's sword) with broken damage or a low level tunic with high +CS/AS and high evade chance

ummm, it is the only non epic boss drop worth using. Maybe learn what the other realms have first? We have Graj's staff lvl 40 with 5% resist fire, Kron's ring which is broken and does nothing. Alsius has Aysor ammu, but since theres like 3 ice attacks in the game, whats the point?

And broken damage? Are you high? Im sure if it was broken people wouldn't use it..... And while you argue that the min damage sucks, the max damage is awesome, and I can't imagine the adrenaline rush of hitting like 1.8k sc's.

And to answer the non OP argument, it's not OP, it's only OP when compared to the other realms bosses.

Study that last post, because from everything I've seen you post (on this subject) you seem to compare Satarco's sword against a regular (and quite good) weapon, whereas it is INSANELY OP COMPARED TO THE SHIT IGNIS/ALSIUS HAS.

Try to be less bias.

[Mattdoesrock]

Originally Posted by Need_More_Invasions

Try to be less bias.

[_Nel_]

Originally Posted by Need_More_Invasions

ummm, it is the only non epic boss drop worth using.

I can assure you, it's not.

Originally Posted by Need_More_Invasions

And broken damage? Are you high? Im sure if it was broken people wouldn't use it.....

Don't be stupid, I gave you a video to see by yourself how it sucks.

Originally Posted by Need_More_Invasions

And while you argue that the min damage sucks, the max damage is awesome, and I can't imagine the adrenaline rush of hitting like 1.8k sc's.

1600 max (without onslaught stack). Any other barb weapon can do the same damage, without doing those crappy damage at min.

Originally Posted by Need_More_Invasions

And to answer the non OP argument, it's not OP, it's only OP when compared to the other realms bosses.

Comparison between non-OP items with non-OP items... what's is your point?

Originally Posted by Need_More_Invasions

Study that last post, because from everything I've seen you post (on this subject) you seem to compare Satarco's sword against a regular (and quite good) weapon, whereas it is INSANELY OP COMPARED TO THE SHIT IGNIS/ALSIUS HAS.

I compared it to a store-bought weapon that anyone can get.

Originally Posted by Need_More_Invasions

Try to be less bias.

And now, how am I?

[Godot]

Originally Posted by _Nel_

In fact, I don't care if Satarco's sword is given to Ignis and Alsius. All I want is to stop this stupid idea that says Satarco's sword is OP and unfair for other realms.

lol, we've been trying to tell you guys that about RoL's for a long time.
They just arent that great, but its a non stop bitchfest in complaint/suggestion/balance boards about just this type of thing. (btw, that lvl 16 tunic isnt OP)

lets not keep beating this subject to death.
its almost as tired as the realm balance issue.
/me thinks this thread is going to turn ugly soon.

[Minorian]

Originally Posted by _Nel_

I can assure you, it's not.
THAN GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE. IM IN THE OTHER REALMS, I KNOW WHAT I HAVE. GUESS WHAT? ITS SHIT.

Don't be stupid, I gave you a video to see by yourself how it sucks.
do you have link? I must have missed it :/ And it's not as broken as Kron's ring (does nothing at all)

1600 max (without onslaught stack). Any other barb weapon can do the same damage, without doing those crappy damage at min.
Normally my conj (without buffs gets hit for about 1.2-1.4. Meh, maybe Im just wierd

Comparison between non-OP items with non-OP items... what's is your point?
I guess I didn't explain well enough. Compared to some good items it is not OP, but when measured in the fact that other realm bosses (non-epic) drop shit, it's OP.

I compared it to a store-bought weapon that anyone can get.
The store bought was more consistent, but if I remember correctly the sword hit much higher, when it hit high. And maybe I just play the game for kicks and just wanna see a really high hit?

And now, how am I?
You refuse to see (despite my best attempts) to see what it looks like from the point view of your punching bags.

please, answer my questions/statements head on.

[linearguild]

Max damage isn't everything. Look at damage range, Satarco's sword has 400 - 270 = 130, this brings down its average damage compared to weapons with lower max but tighter range. Sure, it hits high once in a while (adding inches to your e-penis, woohoo), but it's equally likely to hit low, and in the long run it averages worse than that storebought axe.

[_Nel_]

Originally Posted by Need_More_Invasions

THAN GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE. IM IN THE OTHER REALMS, I KNOW WHAT I HAVE. GUESS WHAT? ITS SHIT.

do you have link? I must have missed it :/ And it's not as broken as Kron's ring (does nothing at all)

You wrote a post in this topic, I assume you've read my post:
> http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum....php?p=1084301

Arxel in Ignis (samal merchant) and Rotaren in Alsius (aggers merchant) are selling this 2H axe that does better damage than Satarco's sword.
Satarco's sword isn't worth using unless you have not 477k gold to spend in a good weapon.

Originally Posted by Need_More_Invasions

Normally my conj (without buffs gets hit for about 1.2-1.4. Meh, maybe Im just wierd

Once, I did 2122 on Roxy and 3696 on Evendim, both with my axe. It mainly depends on how many onslaught are stacked before you cast your SC5. Every Ignis barbs know that.

Originally Posted by Need_More_Invasions

I guess I didn't explain well enough. Compared to some good items it is not OP, but when measured in the fact that other realm bosses (non-epic) drop shit, it's OP.

So, Gorlack's bow is OP compared to Punzaz' bow, and it's not fair.





Personally, I'm convinced no one cares of items that are worse than a merchant one.

Originally Posted by Need_More_Invasions

The store bought was more consistent, but if I remember correctly the sword hit much higher, when it hit high. And maybe I just play the game for kicks and just wanna see a really high hit?

You just saw several stacked onslaught.

Originally Posted by Need_More_Invasions

You refuse to see (despite my best attempts) to see what it looks like from the point view of your punching bags.

I know your point of view, but debating your population problem is not the point of this topic. Don't get all mixed.

[ncvr]

Originally Posted by _Nel_

I can assure you, it's not.

Balance is decided from a lvl 50 point of view. No exceptions.

When considering item balance, we consider how much the item is worth to a lvl 50. That rules out the drops of all champions and lvl 40 legendaries. That leaves us with Krontaron's ring, Aysor's amulet and Satarco's sword. The light tunic and armour are not counted here because they are not boss drops, but quest items.

Aysor's amulet: 25% cold resist - it's useless. It will protect you from 1/3 of arcane strike's dmg, winter stroke (which isn't used for dmg), and a few warlock DoTs which do terrible dmg to begin with. There is no reason to use it.

Krontaron's ring: inferior to the blacksmith and lightning rings because it does not do elemental dmg, and does not have an AS bonus. Inferior to DS rings because of the dmg, unless used by a barb. In theory, at least. Because it seems to be broken.

Satarco's sword: Total dmg, adding str, is around 307 - 437. That mean its average dmg is 372. Average is slightly higher than storeboughts, but it does have the chance to spike every once in a while. This is good because PvP is NOT determined by predictability. If you can get an unexpectedly high hit, it's much better than if you just do the same flat dmg over and over, in a group fight. If you can spike your dmg, it is better than having just a high avg, even if that high avg is higher than your weapon's avg, and lets not forget the possibility that you could get lucky. But it doesn't even need that, because there is actually a reason to use Satarco's sword over a storebought sword (the same, or better than, dps wise), whereas there is no point in using Kron or Aysor's jewelery over quest items.

[UmarilsStillHere]

Have it, I assure you, its really not that great, Satarcos damage range is just to wide to consistantly hit high.

[Minorian]

Originally Posted by Necrovarus

Balance is decided from a lvl 50 point of view. No exceptions.

When considering item balance, we consider how much the item is worth to a lvl 50. That rules out the drops of all champions and lvl 40 legendaries. That leaves us with Krontaron's ring, Aysor's amulet and Satarco's sword. The light tunic and armour are not counted here because they are not boss drops, but quest items.

Aysor's amulet: 25% cold resist - it's useless. It will protect you from 1/3 of arcane strike's dmg, winter stroke (which isn't used for dmg), and a few warlock DoTs which do terrible dmg to begin with. There is no reason to use it.

Krontaron's ring: inferior to the blacksmith and lightning rings because it does not do elemental dmg, and does not have an AS bonus. Inferior to DS rings because of the dmg, unless used by a barb. In theory, at least. Because it seems to be broken.

Satarco's sword: Total dmg, adding str, is around 307 - 437. That mean its average dmg is 372. Average is slightly higher than storeboughts, but it does have the chance to spike every once in a while. This is good because PvP is NOT determined by predictability. If you can get an unexpectedly high hit, it's much better than if you just do the same flat dmg over and over, in a group fight. If you can spike your dmg, it is better than having just a high avg, even if that high avg is higher than your weapon's avg, and lets not forget the possibility that you could get lucky. But it doesn't even need that, because there is actually a reason to use Satarco's sword over a storebought sword (the same, or better than, dps wise), whereas there is no point in using Kron or Aysor's jewelery over quest items.

Someone said it properly, thats essentially what I've been trying to say but failing at it -.-

Have it, I assure you, its really not that great, Satarcos damage range is just to wide to consistantly hit high.

But In Ignis (at least) getting a spec great claymore that isn't a useless bonus is quite hard (from what I hear), and easily being able to get one very like it from a boss would be very nice.