Hotw should be adjusted - Page 5

Gabburtjuh · 10-11-2011, 07:12 PM

shorter dura? nty, longer cd maybe, but believe me, when you're a WM, you're already feeling fucked for the points and effort spend on it.

time-to-die · 10-11-2011, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Gabburtjuh

shorter dura? nty, longer cd maybe, but believe me, when you're a WM, you're already feeling fucked for the points and effort spend on it.

Yea it fucked allot of my setup. HOFTW is realy handy if you are hunting with a mate. But with 1vs1 you wish you had ur lvl60 setup when you wasnt a wm.

Seher · 10-11-2011, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Torcida

You would like to absolutely nerf everything in RO right?

Not just nerf everything, there's so much to be done about balance... New spells that are actually interesting, ditching tons of useless ones, etc. Balance is important, and the balance we've got now is ... eh yeah. You know.

Kitsuni · 10-11-2011, 11:15 PM

As others have pointed out, WM powers can't get any more nerfs until NGD fills out the whole tree at least. Maxing an entire tree for a few powers weakens your character alot atm. If this tree was full of powers (like other trees), then each one could individually be much weaker than now for proper balance... but think about what level 60s lose in order to have it in the current state, pretty much all of the DP you gain from 50-60 making the power increase restricted to power points for WMs.

And there's only so many powers that you can put to level 5 with only a few maxable trees, making the abundance of power points less useful than it seems. I guess mages probably get off the easiest on this point, as they are able to max one additional tree at level 50 to begin with, compared to other classes.

My best advice would be to first fill this tree with (useful) powers, tone down the power of existing ones, and add a few power point sinks in there.

53453467734534 · 10-12-2011, 06:36 AM

HotW is relatively similar to Onslaught...
only better (affects caster, larger area, lower mana costs, you lose no power points, duration, doesn´t disappear along with your first attack)

Disadvantages: Less movement speed bonus than Onslaught 5 and has no extra damage.

At least raise HotWs mana costs.

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Every player that have proper hands, should be able to win against 1 vs 3 even!

This is correct in my opinion.

In a game, where numerically assymmetric battles are the norm, spells that help 2 players vs 1 player should be avoided, while spells that help one or fewer player(s) against superior numbers are a good thing. However, i am against artificial help (for example HP bonus) if your side is outnumbered.

NSer · 10-12-2011, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Gabburtjuh

Beacons are OP, HOTW is at best a spell with a to short CD, it can be canceled by a very common spell with area 10 and range 50, light arrow, or any other slowdown...

ehhmmmm with 1,5 seconds and liek 400 mana cost at lvl1(?) jsut to counter insta cast spell with 30 seconds dura? Yea it reallly counters

Kaixo · 10-12-2011, 01:01 PM

Compared to onslaught is overpowered.
If I read the old justifications of the changes to Onslaught I can't understand why they implemented horn.
In my opinion it should be only a skill for knights, but the warmaster tree is the same for all.

Torcida · 10-12-2011, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Archonaut

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P.S. Oh and like many said before me, I would like to see the spell only activate-able if Caster is near 2/3 allies (or more ofcourse)

Thats the only thing I was asking for

Latan · 10-12-2011, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Archonaut

NGD Nerf as in, longer the CD, lower the Duration and more mana cost. Just make sure the speed stays 25% (as it is now if I'm not wrong) I mean, it should be equal to the spell with the most slowdown reduction, which is Slow.. 25% ( Correct me if I'm wrong )

slow 30%
lightning arrow 25%
caltrop's arrow 50%
mind push 70%

NSer · 10-12-2011, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Latan

slow 30%
lightning arrow 25%
caltrop's arrow 50%
mind push 70%

+70% speed =)
Yea i know archonaut meant leave speed bonus as it is :d

10-11-2011, 07:12 PM	#41
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10-11-2011, 11:15 PM	#44
Kitsuni Baron Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 886	As others have pointed out, WM powers can't get any more nerfs until NGD fills out the whole tree at least. Maxing an entire tree for a few powers weakens your character alot atm. If this tree was full of powers (like other trees), then each one could individually be much weaker than now for proper balance... but think about what level 60s lose in order to have it in the current state, pretty much all of the DP you gain from 50-60 making the power increase restricted to power points for WMs. And there's only so many powers that you can put to level 5 with only a few maxable trees, making the abundance of power points less useful than it seems. I guess mages probably get off the easiest on this point, as they are able to max one additional tree at level 50 to begin with, compared to other classes. My best advice would be to first fill this tree with (useful) powers, tone down the power of existing ones, and add a few power point sinks in there.

10-12-2011, 01:01 PM	#47
Kaixo Count Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,445	Compared to onslaught is overpowered. If I read the old justifications of the changes to Onslaught I can't understand why they implemented horn. In my opinion it should be only a skill for knights, but the warmaster tree is the same for all.