Mage's Skills

[LittleHomer]

Originally Posted by Zemepanda

Mage is fine and there is nothing underpowered about it

Sorry, but if you say things like that, you're kind of crazy!

Warlock:

against marksman - hug tree, if marksman falls for it and goes closer to you, you win, if you don't win... you probably suck

The Marksman has always a vantage because of his Low Profile and SotW! Warlocks have to cast will domain really quick otherwise they will get Burst of Wind.
The Warlock has only a chance with tree hugging, and even then the chance isn't a 50% 50%! Is this balanced?! I don't think so!

against hunter - they prolly came out of camo, ambushed you and confused you... if you got confused, do frozen storm (hopefully hitting pet as well) or beatle swarm and hug nearest tree

Well,when Hunters come out of camo, they always use confuse AND SotW ... Well, you can't buff yourself and it's luck to hit the hunter because of SotW. After SotW he casts Ambush, this will be your dead as warlock... Without tree hugging, you also haven't got a chance here.

And well, for all the other points ... read this: http://www.regnumonlinegame.com/foru...ad.php?t=86725

[Shwish]

Originally Posted by esptupac

... and only willdomain in his hands

And there's a very high chance that will domain will be always resisted with or without sotw up. I think all mages can agree with me on that.

Originally Posted by esptupac

Roar has longer reach than. mindpush. Barb can catch a warlock within 25 range using UM if warlock only skill lvl 1 slow. If warlock got roared, it's game over. kick lvl 3/4 + 2 or 3 normals + beast attack or any dizzy ur dead while warlock is trying to cast a 2 sec long timemaster when he stands up lol how pathetic....
.

I'm not sure if its just me, but I've noticed that when I cast mind push on a warrior there's a slight delay before the slow effect works. This makes it fairy easy to roar or even get into range to knock the warlock before he actually gets effected by the mind push. Correct if I'm wrong about this observation.

[ieti]

There is always a delay. For spells it is sometimes a second. For auras and areas it is even more.

That's why Static Field and Mind Push are risky to use. You are in a so called "spear range" with them.

Depends on your connection, server and other player's connection...

[Zemepanda]

@numbers
Eat mah BoW 5 then.
eat my tree hugging

teh spell dependency!@#!@#
ok, go to a warrior or archer and never use a spell, just type /reset_powers, don't go to a trainer, and see how much you "don't rely on spells"

weapons, stick
if bonuses aren't useful on weapons then why do people buy so many plat boxes? if the stick has amazing bonuses, then sure, use it! that's not a bad thing, infact that makes them overpowered because level of the weapon they use doesn't matter

still complaining about cast speed
everybody got slower cast speed, you derp -.-l

mana regen
there's a lot of things unexplained in this game and that makes me mad as much as the next derp, but a few players have found 0.008 mana/sec/mana is the case
http://regnum.wikia.com/wiki/Research:Mana_Regeneration


@zeme is dumb haven't played teh mage, oh wait that's not specific enough... @ieti
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5J7xbXLDoc
i've also played my friend's level 60 warlocks... successfully

i have warlock and hate it now
well you have to make your own fun, don't do things you don't enjoy *cough* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FVH0SmDmak *cough*

mana regen complaining still
other classes don't have ambitious sacrifice, sadistic servents, energy borrow. oh? they're still regening mana faster than you? then why are you just standing there and not energy borrowing, mana burning, sadistic servanting...

stronger gear lulz
lulz are good

cc chain dependency
that's not a good or a bad thing, that's how they're played, if you can't adapt to new playstyles that's not my problem

still typoing uneffective
i've heard this multiple times, and it's stupid every time i hear it... have you ever ice blasted or lightninged a mob in 1 hit? i've grinded mages and it's simple

cast speed domination
why is "fixed" in quotes? it got fixed. yay ngd!

mage used to be fun teh good old days
you're right, it also used to be overpowered



@heph
winter stroke and burst of wind both faster than will domain
first of all, if you get burst of wind... continue hugging the tree. Winter stroke casting faster... hmm... well i'd say it depends on the gear of both players, arcane devotion makes will domain a 0.5 cast time as well, so... if you have 14% on your staff, 6% on your gloves... and the marksman has 5% on his paulds... 12% on his bow... (most marksman don't go out of their way to put cast speed on their bows) then... maybe you just suck?

silence slower than stunning fist
thank you for the useless piece of knowledge to fluff up your rant, silence has range, stunning fist doesn't, they both have their trade-offs

beatle swarm being 2 sec and meteor can't do shit in treehug
you're right, so use will domain, thank you for the fluff

small trees dist shot
this is definitely you sucking, go play a marksman and find someone who knows how to properly hug a tree... i've seen your videos, hey i even had a tree hugging fight with you that one day, and i can tell you that using Q and E and clicking spells will not give you the upper hand, what actually will happen if you didn't suck would be you go back behind the tree and the marksman wastes his mana

look at 3:04 here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-IdRm-7RCQ
I got lucky because he kept running past the tree, otherwise it would have been a waste of mana

freeze without darkness is useless
fluff

there is no reason for marks to lose a treehug vs warlock
actually there is, the reason warlocks can't kill a marksman is that they out range them, so if the marksman is stupid enough to get in range, you have the advantage to win the fight (unless you suck)

a hypothetical situation that makes you rage
well, don't let those things happen, especially when you're smart enough to know it's coming

second approach - sotw dist shot
lol. 3:04 here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-IdRm-7RCQ

warlock vs hunter
if the hunter gets you in the middle of an open field, you're screwed, i can't give you the magical solution to this

warlock vs warju
yea, the warju wins

knight vs warlock
you use mana burn and soulkeeper and vampirism... and slow... oh wait you use slow 1, well it's not my fault you gimp yourself

warlock vs barb DEY GOT DOZ ZERGS AND ALWAYS HORN OF WIND
usomad, in your hypothetical rage situation, lets make it fair AND GIVE YOU DOZ ZERG AND ALWAYS HORN OF WIND then come back to me

roar longer reach than mind push
then stop using slow 1 and gimping yourself

warlock is meat bag
correct, don't let yourself get hit


@littlehomer
advantage because of low profile
you're kidding me right? stripping all your buffs away gives you an advantage?

advantage because of sotw
hug the tree better

warlocks cast will domain quick or else they get burst of wind
o noes teh burst of wind, continue hugging the tree, the thing you should be worried about is freeze, and yes, you should be able to cast will domain quicker

hunter open field
you're right, no chance, that's just the part of the game that rewards hunters for being patient and finding you in an open field

for all other points see the thing you already replied to
saw it


@shwish
resist will domain
it happens

slight delays
use a higher level slow, don't gimp yourself

[LittleHomer]

advantage because of low profile
you're kidding me right? stripping all your buffs away gives you an advantage?

advantage because of sotw
hug the tree better

warlocks cast will domain quick or else they get burst of wind
o noes teh burst of wind, continue hugging the tree, the thing you should be worried about is freeze, and yes, you should be able to cast will domain quicker

hunter open field
you're right, no chance, that's just the part of the game that rewards hunters for being patient and finding you in an open field

for all other points see the thing you already replied to
saw it

Tree hugging ISN'T a balance ! -.-

[Zemepanda]

tree hugging is part of the game, use a higher level tree hug, don't gimp yourself

[ieti]

@Zeme stop looking on PvP or hunt perspective. Look on the RvR perspective where mages used to shine. Where mages are important.

I play conju NOT warju. Video you post is damn warju and there it is still damn slow. It takes ages to cast something.

In PvP you are in less stressed situation at least on conju. You can time your casts better.

In RvR you need to multitask and there you need more speed and more fluid gameplay. What can be OP in PvP is perfectly good in RvR because you need to cover larger group of allies and enemies.

I stopped warlock, because now it is too choppy with this "fixed" cast speed and global cooldown.

I still play conju, because i love to support and i love this class. This so called "cast speed fix" made alot old conjus to stop playing this nice class. It made conju life alot harder.

I made a barb to 60 and i can clearly say it's gameplay is ALOT MORE FLUID and fast than a gameplay of a conju with devotion(5) and a 14% fast staff. Ye mages are masters of spells...my a**.

Have you played a mage pre 1.0? I need answer YES/NO. Before this conjus was good with fast staff only - no devotion. Locks used devotion for areas and some slower spells. CS dependency hits hard mage class. Badly put GCD delays on some spells break fluidity too.

Warju is not a conju. Get this mage again and play SUPPORT in RvR scenario. Play it for at least 1 week, so enemies know you better and you start to get really targeted. Then we will talk.

[standistortion]

Originally Posted by Zemepanda

I'm right and know everything.

Hint: Don't feed the troll.

[Dupa_z_Zasady]

Could we, please, get back to initial proposal instead of feeding suckers.
Yes, I agree with Swish that long time casting stoppers, should have range dependant on staff range+arcane projection. Sultar is a good example of how should it look like.

[VandaMan]

Originally Posted by Zemepanda

@numbers
Eat mah BoW 5 then.
eat my tree hugging

Any class can tree hug against any other ranged class. You tree hug their BoW, they treehug your meteor/silence/beetles etc. Argument invalid.

Originally Posted by Zemepanda

teh spell dependency!@#!@#
ok, go to a warrior or archer and never use a spell, just type /reset_powers, don't go to a trainer, and see how much you "don't rely on spells"

Completely missed the point. Most of the important spells for other classes are buffs, that you can use before combat if you like. A dizzy does not completely cripple you. A dizzied warrior or archer can still deal and reduce significant damage, even if he didn't get all his buffs cast. Anyway, I guarantee you that you'd do better on a warrior or archer without ever using a spell, so you've only damaged your own position here.

Originally Posted by Zemepanda

weapons, stick
if bonuses aren't useful on weapons then why do people buy so many plat boxes? if the stick has amazing bonuses, then sure, use it! that's not a bad thing, infact that makes them overpowered because level of the weapon they use doesn't matter

I think you misunderstand the problem here. The problem being that the damage mages deal was balanced to the damage other classes deal a very long time ago (before you played), and the damage other classes do has greatly increased due to level cap increase and new gear. The damage mages do has remained the same.

Originally Posted by Zemepanda

still complaining about cast speed
everybody got slower cast speed, you derp -.-l

Instant spells did not get slower cast speed. Relatively speaking, since mages have none, their cast speed was nerfed in comparison to warrior classes. Beyond that, cast speed has been nerfed in comparison to movement speed, as movement speed has been repeatedly increased while casting speed changes and global cooldown have made casting much slower overall.

Originally Posted by Zemepanda

@zeme is dumb haven't played teh mage, oh wait that's not specific enough... @ieti
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5J7xbXLDoc
i've also played my friend's level 60 warlocks... successfully

Last I saw, you were terrible at warju (how is that even possible?), and I rather doubt you're any better at warlock. The only thing I've seen you do well is gank lowbies, grinders, and groups half your number. Oh, and drowning people retarded enough to try and jump out on the ledge at pb =D

Originally Posted by Zemepanda

mana regen complaining still
other classes don't have ambitious sacrifice, sadistic servents, energy borrow. oh? they're still regening mana faster than you? then why are you just standing there and not energy borrowing, mana burning, sadistic servanting...

The complaint wasn't so much that mana regens too slowly, it was that the primary attribute (intelligence) is nearly useless. Other classes benefit more from it than mages, because their base regen rate is higher, and mages have better ways of recovering mana than regen.

Originally Posted by Zemepanda

still typoing uneffective
i've heard this multiple times, and it's stupid every time i hear it... have you ever ice blasted or lightninged a mob in 1 hit? i've grinded mages and it's simple

You don't ice blast or lightning mobs in 1 hit after like level 20. Grinding after 50 always takes two spells and some normals (or more). Not to mention in the time it takes to kill something with ice blast or other non-lightning DoTs you'd already be into the next mob on most other classes.

Originally Posted by Zemepanda

mage used to be fun teh good old days
you're right, it also used to be overpowered

You weren't even playing this game back then. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by Zemepanda

@heph
winter stroke and burst of wind both faster than will domain
first of all, if you get burst of wind... continue hugging the tree. Winter stroke casting faster... hmm... well i'd say it depends on the gear of both players, arcane devotion makes will domain a 0.5 cast time as well, so... if you have 14% on your staff, 6% on your gloves... and the marksman has 5% on his paulds... 12% on his bow... (most marksman don't go out of their way to put cast speed on their bows) then... maybe you just suck?

Hugging a tree is no argument at all, as I said before.

On spells that cast in .5 seconds or less, the differences in cast speed gear and buffs have to be quite large to make any consistent and noticeable difference. Lag and server positioning issues are far more important in determining who casts first. Due to rounding and such, the gear may quite literally be meaningless in some cases.

Even if it did, due to the way casting times are calculated a 1 second cast time spell with lvl 5 devotion and a .5 cast time spell without devotion are only the same with no cast speed gear. Cast speeds are on a curve now, and will domain with cast speed gear and devotion 5 is supposed to cast slower than a .5 second spell with the same cast speed gear. To make it simple, without getting all math-ish on you, each incremental increase in higher cast speed buffs and gear is worth less than the incremental increase before it. Double casting times with +100% cast speed buff may seem to cancel out, but it reduces the effectiveness of the additional CS gear.

^tl;dr - you have no idea what you're talking about, lrn2maths

Originally Posted by Zemepanda

beatle swarm being 2 sec and meteor can't do shit in treehug
you're right, so use will domain, thank you for the fluff

Too bad will domain is slower than virtually every single target warrior spell, the 2 favorites of every marks (BoW/WS), and stunning fist.

Originally Posted by Zemepanda

small trees dist shot
this is definitely you sucking, go play a marksman and find someone who knows how to properly hug a tree... i've seen your videos, hey i even had a tree hugging fight with you that one day, and i can tell you that using Q and E and clicking spells will not give you the upper hand, what actually will happen if you didn't suck would be you go back behind the tree and the marksman wastes his mana

You do realize a marksman hugging a tree against a warlock is just as effective, right? Marksmen have CCs that are just as fast and faster than warlock CCs, along with a couple "get out of jail free" cards that can help them get back behind the tree and try again if they do mess up.

Originally Posted by Zemepanda

look at 3:04 here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-IdRm-7RCQ
I got lucky because he kept running past the tree, otherwise it would have been a waste of mana

Failed treehugging is just as often a result of position lag as slow reflexes. You rarely see your enemy and yourself in the same position as he does.

Originally Posted by Zemepanda

there is no reason for marks to lose a treehug vs warlock
actually there is, the reason warlocks can't kill a marksman is that they out range them, so if the marksman is stupid enough to get in range, you have the advantage to win the fight (unless you suck)

Relative advantage perhaps, meaning you are in a better position than you were before he came into range. Relative advantage however is not the same as advantage. You're on more or less equal footing at this point, and if you get to that point it's only because the marks chose to let you have an even chance at fighting. It's not an advantage at all, it only seems like it because you're normally at a disadvantage.

Originally Posted by Zemepanda

warlock vs hunter
if the hunter gets you in the middle of an open field, you're screwed, i can't give you the magical solution to this

PvPs are useless. That said, on my hunter with a pet from camo and cold blooded, I can easily kill a warlock before he has a chance to do anything. It doesn't have to be an open field, just so long as he's not right next to a tree or rock. You can get off a couple shots from camo before he can click on you, and 3 from cold blood in ambush. With decent gear, not even boss stuff, that could come close to 2400 if you never crit, and that's not even counting the pet. You've still got SotW up your sleeve and the guy hasn't even cast a spell yet.

Originally Posted by Zemepanda

warlock vs warju
yea, the warju wins

Nah, this almost entirely depends on the setups, and the luck of mind blank.

Originally Posted by Zemepanda

knight vs warlock
you use mana burn and soulkeeper and vampirism... and slow... oh wait you use slow 1, well it's not my fault you gimp yourself

Unless you want to let the knight catch you, soulkeeper and vampirism aren't going to do much, and if you let the knight catch you there's a good chance you're screwed. Personal MoD! >.>

Originally Posted by Zemepanda

warlock vs barb DEY GOT DOZ ZERGS AND ALWAYS HORN OF WIND
usomad, in your hypothetical rage situation, lets make it fair AND GIVE YOU DOZ ZERG AND ALWAYS HORN OF WIND then come back to me

Excellent point, just run away! In fact balance is perfect, everyone should just stay in the initiation zone, and there would be no problems!

Originally Posted by Zemepanda

roar longer reach than mind push
then stop using slow 1 and gimping yourself

Yeah, you're right, 15 second area stun with .5 second casting time from a class that can kill nearly anyone in under 5 seconds is completely justified, because this one warlock I know uses level 1 slow.

Originally Posted by Zemepanda

@littlehomer
advantage because of low profile
you're kidding me right? stripping all your buffs away gives you an advantage?

Yes... if you use it correctly, it's a huge advantage. If you and a warlock are having a treehug fight, and the warlock gets the upper hand, low profile is like the "oops, do-over" button. Just hit it and run back to the tree if you get immobilized or frozen. The warlock has to land 2-3 spells to both catch you and prevent this.

Originally Posted by Zemepanda

advantage because of sotw
hug the tree better

It's still an advantage, whether you are hugging the tree or not... just because you can always go back to hiding, it still has the ability to break the CC chain you started, or any upper hand you just gained.

Originally Posted by Zemepanda

warlocks cast will domain quick or else they get burst of wind
o noes teh burst of wind, continue hugging the tree, the thing you should be worried about is freeze, and yes, you should be able to cast will domain quicker

Wrong. You should not be able to cast will domain quicker. Already explained, you fail at math.

Originally Posted by Zemepanda

slight delays
use a higher level slow, don't gimp yourself

This whole thing about the level of his slow spell is strictly 1v1, and completely unrelated to overall balance.

I realize that even if you bother reading this, which I doubt you will, you'll still disagree simply because you want to, but the fact is you have no idea what you're talking about. I think you just like the sound of your own keyboard. Feel free to respond with a bunch more herp-a-derp, because I'm not going to bother correcting it again. Maybe if you try some colorful text and caps lock next time people will overlook the fact that you're talking out your ass, and you can walk away ego-intact, still convinced you know everything.

On-topic, just for Dupa: I'm not sure about weapon ranged spells, I can see where it could help, but it would only be a duct-tape fix for a flawed class design.