GameSamba's hall of shameless condemnation

[Ulti19]

ridiculous. So many new players to join an mmo, and they do not know that you cant kill by a save and people get banned.

[Lucky_Luke]

Scyther's thread made my day. Pathetic like the rest of GS' brilliant ideas. This game is getting worse everyday and I'm just starting to wonder if I should come back from GW2... someday.

Unfulfilled promises, everlasting bugs, brilliant GS' staff and new "useful" mounts - this is how RO looks for me now. What a shame!

[TheMessenger]

Originally Posted by Lucky_Luke

Scyther's thread made my day. Pathetic like the rest of GS' brilliant ideas. This game is getting worse everyday and I'm just starting to wonder if I should come back from GW2... someday.

Unfulfilled promises, everlasting bugs, brilliant GS' staff and new "useful" mounts - this is how RO looks for me now. What a shame!

Free blowjobs from everyone in Noobstyle. if you come back bby <3

[Shwish]

I don't understand how this can be such a big deal for those people who apparently aren't cheaters, trolls, save campers etc.

Also, anyone who's been involved in any online game knows that you aren't allowed to save/corpse camp and its total BS if they say they didn't know.

I'm glad they removed the trolls section because of the two alsius members I can say one is nowhere close to being a troll. The other one is an epic troll though.

[roonwick]

Originally Posted by Shwish

I don't understand how this can be such a big deal for those people who apparently aren't cheaters, trolls, save campers etc.

because someone is making up the rules and punishments as they go. because some types of punishments are unacceptable to some people. because some people care about justice.

[Hopeakettu]

Originally Posted by roonwick

because someone is making up the rules and punishments as they go. because some types of punishments are unacceptable to some people. because some people care about justice.

Freedom!

[Shwish]

Originally Posted by roonwick

because someone is making up the rules and punishments as they go. because some types of punishments are unacceptable to some people. because some people care about justice.

I don't understand. Are you being sarcastic or are you encouraging cheating?

The rules are pretty straight forward. They have always been that way its just that before the merge there wasn't anyone online in Horus to enforce it most of the time. Obey them and you have nothing to worry about.

[roonwick]

Originally Posted by Shwish

I don't understand. Are you being sarcastic or are you encouraging cheating?

The rules are pretty straight forward. They have always been that way its just that before the merge there wasn't anyone online in Horus to enforce it most of the time. Obey them and you have nothing to worry about.

Neither. I'm being serious and do not encourage or condone cheating. I'm not on the name and shame list. Indeed, the rules are straightforward, and gamesamba even published what punishment goes with what 'crime'. Having a name and shame list is not on the list of punishments, someone made up that extra punishment.

[PT_DaAr_PT]

Originally Posted by VandaMan

Ideally we should be able to trust our GMs to only ban people if they have solid evidence. Do with that what you will, I realize we're not at that point. As for presenting a reason, I don't see a problem with that, provided the reasons are fairly general and categorical, but I doubt that's what you mean. They obviously can't post all of the evidence and exact circumstances for every player they ban, for more reasons than the fact that it'd be a lot of work.




I'm not convinced it's a good implementation either, I'm just not opposed to the concept. As for the first time bug abuser not getting off as easy as a 7 day ban, I think you might be surprised. NGD's banning seems to be either completely random, or based on purchase history, and GameSamba's banning feels like it's more based on how the player treats the GMs (before and after being caught) than the seriousness of the offense. About the top rankings guys, I didn't actually mean to say that I think they're cheaters, and certainly not that I think the rankings are meaningful, just that being caught cheating should demolish any good reputation you've earned as a player.

I think most of the difference in opinion here can be attributed to different philosophies on punishment. Retributive punishment theory would tell us we need to ban these players, because they've done bad things and need/deserve to suffer. Utilitarian punishment theory would say no one deserves to suffer, but we should punish offenders in a way that discourages them and others from making the same offense, because that offense is bad for the community as a whole.

Banning a player and keeping that ban strictly between NGD/GameSamba and the player punishes them, but does nothing to discourage anyone else from making the same mistake. Naturally it's never that simple, and people do find out when others are banned many times, but I don't find that adequate.

Overthinking? Most likely, but I do love to play devil's advocate =D

It's not a matter of mistrusting GameSamba employees, even though I do. The problem is that human error is certain so if they happen to put someone on the list who did nuffin wrong then who are people going to believe? Unlike rumors, a GMs word is holy. The amount of complaints on the forum would just rise because bans would no longer be a private subject between player and company, everyone would want to have a say(or a laugh) on it.

However, you made a good point, keeping bans private between company and user won't expose those who cheat to get on the top but on those cases their points would have certainly have been revoked, I think there was a case like that before in a tournament years ago. But I still believe it's incorrect to release names with the sole intent to cause grief between players. Being incorrectly labelled as a troll is the most annoying thing it can happen to anyone. Glad to see they actually got rid of that section.

Releasing names just brings more trouble than it's worth it.

NGD has once released a list of the amount of people who got banned for magna duping, per server. That was an interesting insight and its purpose was solely to present the seriousness of the matter and it didn't need to point fingers at anyone to get its message across. I think letting players know how many people got in trouble for what, instead of who got in trouble, would be a better approach. It would also eliminate possible attention whoring.

[DkySven]

I remember several of the GameSamba moderators being banned by NGD once.