GameSamba's hall of shameless condemnation

[Alsian-Ylse]

Wow, while utterly silly the list is, it is also severely lacking in the number of names that should be on it, if indeed such a list were going to be truthful.

There are easily a good 30 or 40 that belong on there as well.

[Kitsuni]

Originally Posted by DkySven

I remember several of the GameSamba moderators being banned by NGD once.

This. If people made a list of people banned by NGD, they would be suprised how many GameSamba GMs and GCs are on it. By default GCs and GMs hide their identity, but it isn't usually hard to figure out who they are by their behavioral patterns, especially if you know them personally.

My suggestion to NGD: Be more careful about what is going on. You're letting too much slip under the radar regarding GameSamba; this makes them look bad. They come off as simultaneously helpful and professional, yet at times childish because neither NGD nor GS seem to have a proper control over their own employees. Their role in this game is influencing it too much when it is needed, and not enough when it is actually needed. The fact that they would make a list such as this just goes to show that ; and that's adding on top of how much discussion there has always been about whether they are actually doing a good job or just messing things up.

I'm not attacking GS here; I'm saying that its time for both companies to grow up and be more professional. Even if saying this earns me a ban; NGD needs to realize that even they often act childish and unprofessional, throwing out bans as they see fit, defending their game and forums as a "policed state", the incident with Tesi comes to mind. It has always been like this, but has gotten worse over time. These kinds of events makes it hard for the community to like you. Understand this. The same goes for GameSamba and their traits like "random GM behavior", "rules that nobody knows" and "hall of shame".

Look at how dead the forums are these days. Even the game is pretty dead compared to the past; not even a server merge helped much.

Nobody is asking you guys to be a multi-million dollar MMORPG company here. We're just asking for someone to take five extra minutes of their day, each day, and make sure that everything is going smoothly. Post lists of rules, update a roadmap, answer some questions, have chats with GMs about how to behave, things like that. If you continue on the current haphazard course of just doing what you want or what you can afford, the game will be in even worse shape because there are so many great games out there now (even on Linux), that Regnum just quickly seems to be losing interest and steam. You're still trying to make a "1.0 quality" version of a game that is six years old, you can't afford to also appear unprofessional at the same time if you want to attract and retain new players.

Either have a bad game or have bad admins; it's not a good idea to have both.

[Vaylos]

Man, talk about an all time new low. Hall of shame!? O EM GEE!


I can overlook the favoritism and letting people get by, laziness, whatever. But publicly posting names of trouble makers is a huuuuge no-no in my book. I mean, isn't there like an unwritten rule about not starting witch-hunts? I mean this practically makes it an open door for mud slinging and a devolvement of the community into petty "he-said she-said, but look it's posted here." There is a reason most companies don't post Ban or Shame lists. This was not a smart act by gamesamba, and it is not for the good of the player community. They are certainly not taking the higher road here.

For the record I don't know anyone on the list, haven't even seen them in the game. I'm also as much of a cheat hater as most. I remember I was chasing down a lone mage with a buddy of mine, and the mage kept "conveniently" popping ahead another 10 or so meters everytime I manged to get close enough for a shot to slow him down. In the end, me, a hunter, and my buddy, a marks, could not catch the guy. We weren't going to chase him across the whole of the damn map...and he was unmounted. He was a conj by the way.

I would have blamed lag or packet loss, but in my experience on many different games...including games where "lag shield" is often an occurrence....lag is not that regular or convenient. It tends to be more sporadic. Pretty sure he was, as someone told me the term, "ghosting."

Anyway, just because I can't stand lowlifes who resort to the cheap way of doing stuff, doesn't mean they should publicly be humiliated or shamed. Handle it quietly, cleanly, and just keep banning the sot if he comes back making troubles. Publicly listing the names wont' make the problem go away, and it's just going to create a bunch of finger pointing from the community. :P

[Zas_]

This hall of shame is ... a shame.

What about a Wall of Fame for those who are trying to apply your fuzzy rules ?

[Lucky_Luke]

Originally Posted by Kitsunie

They come off as simultaneously helpful and professional, yet at times childish because neither NGD nor GS seem to have a proper control over their own employees.

You can't have proper control over the employees if they are scattered around the world, getting pocket money for their "work". Most of GMs are just random people who has seen the GS office once or even never, so the supervision is just minimal.

[erttzzadfk]

I'm sorry but i still like a banlist for RO. I really dont care about some pathetic arguments in here.
When i started playing RO i would have been with you "citizens of utopia" and an opponent of a public banlist but not after 4 years playing this game....
And i saw too many opportunists in game to believe in all "Mother Teresas and Gandhis" in here writting some pathetic posts about "how i paint my little world".
Something has to be done against bugusers, cheater etc and a banlist isnt a new instrument. It's not an idea of GS; it has become normal for many servers and electronic sport leagues as well.. so love or hate but finally take it.
Better to lose ~5 players cause they dont like to play a game with a banlist then losing many ppl by thinking nothing is done to keep the rules of a game..!
(and what kind of players will finally stay in this two different "models"?)

[roonwick]

Originally Posted by erttzzadfk

I'm sorry but i still like a banlist for RO. I really dont care about some pathetic arguments in here.
When i started playing RO i would have been with you "citizens of utopia" and an opponent of a public banlist but not after 4 years playing this game....
And i saw too many opportunists in game to believe in all "Mother Teresas and Gandhis" in here writting some pathetic posts about "how i paint my little world".
Something has to be done against bugusers, cheater etc and a banlist isnt a new instrument. It's not an idea of GS; it has become normal for many servers and electronic sport leagues as well.. so love or hate but finally take it.
Better to lose ~5 players cause they dont like to play a game with a banlist then losing many ppl by thinking nothing is done to keep the rules of a game..!
(and what kind of players will finally stay in this two different "models"?)

There is nothing pathetic about people having a different and valid opinion. up to now this has been a good discussion, as soon as you start calling people's opinion pathetic, the discussion starts to derail. This idea of the dark ages of public naming and shaming simply doesnt work in any positive way, and falls outside the rules as they have been written, ergo it is against the rules. Those rules state the penalty for cheating and abuse quite clearly, and naming and shaming is NOT in the rules.

[erttzzadfk]

Originally Posted by roonwick

There is nothing pathetic about people having a different and valid opinion. up to now this has been a good discussion, as soon as you start calling people's opinion pathetic, the discussion starts to derail. This idea of the dark ages of public naming and shaming simply doesnt work in any positive way, and falls outside the rules as they have been written, ergo it is against the rules. Those rules state the penalty for cheating and abuse quite clearly, and naming and shaming is NOT in the rules.

I'll tell you the reason why i used this word "pathetic" two times in my post....i read it too often in this thread..so i finally feel you.
(edit: i searched this thread for this word now..wasn't that often although i was sure this was my motivation. Hm, i'm sorry in this point).
A ban isnt smth positive too. Finally any instrument of punishment by administration isnt positive when you look at it the way you want me to see it too.
..is NOT in the rules..remember the disclaimer etc. when you log on.

[roonwick]

Originally Posted by erttzzadfk

I'll tell you the reason why i used this word "pathetic" two times in my post....i read it too often in this thread..so i finally feel you.
(edit: i searched this thread for this word now..wasn't that often although i was sure this was my motivation. Hm, i'm sorry in this point).
A ban isnt smth positive too. Finally any instrument of punishment by administration isnt positive when you look at it the way you want me to see it too.
..is NOT in the rules..remember the disclaimer etc. when you log on.

they can change the rules (within the law ofcourse), but they didn't. Those rules are for GMs too. That's why they stated the penalties for infringements. Those penalties are rules for the GMs.

if in the real world the maximum penalty for theft is 2 years, a judge can't just sentence someone to 3 years just because he feels like it. For that, you need to change the law.

[erttzzadfk]

At this point i'll have a little conversation problem caused by our different languages. To read all terms and conditions in english too after reading them several times in german now to have the same discussion i already left in an other place.
I asked at the german forum for a banlist too. Other players wrote the same arguments written in here too.
So we (users) found a compromise: A player who sends screenshots, videos about an other player who seemed to break the rules would get the information about sanction or not. At this point the thread was closed by a moderator. No arguments or any word about the compromise of the thread.
Only Reason: It wouldnt be able to realize a banlist by terms and conditions.

So i argumentated the ranking would have the same problems with terms and conditions (personal data rights etc) and opened a new thread.
I was told to be wrong based on the argument:"same rules for gms/mods" etc. this data are positive...thats something totally different (for a law, terms and conditions..?).
The compromise still wasnt answered.
Later i recived a pm from the german CoMa the "upper leadership" of gamigo dont want such a compromise too. (Take it or leave it..).

So i thought about everything. What's the reason why you dont get detailed informations when you sent screens and videos. Why dont they tell me all the good arguments for it instead of "the upper leadership dont want to".
Why did i get the answer via pm instead of a public answer in the thread.
Think about it..this way it wouldnt be a "wich hunt"...

So there was nothing left to do. Sanctions wont become more transparent; frustrated players will go on leaving the game. Not all players. Some never really get in touch with cheaters etc. but its a big topic for real pvp-player. (There arent gms/gcs at the german servers 24/7 like at gs-servers too btw i they dont get money - they are players).

I asked them to change the color of /ignored players (grey) cause for me players are left with cheaters, flamers etc. there and i thought it would be a little help for a self-regulated system.
Shall i really tell you how the some "players" argumentated to avoid this too?

At the end for me is just one question left "do we want this game a place to be withou cheaters, trolls, spammers, bugusers, flamer or dont we"?

We'll have to give smth to get it - that's a fact.
And after 4 years this is ok for me !

PS: I left the Gamigo servers just a few days ago finally now cause there isnt much left that reminds me how i loved this game when i started to play and i was surprised and happy to see GameSamba is doing something.