Warlock

[Slartibartfast]

Originally Posted by Tamui

My Conju is on SM. She got a 25r Medium and I'm fine with that. Because of my squishy setup, + not using SM maxed, I hit average range around 170-210. Sometimes 300s crits.
For your second statement. True
For your third statement. True and I don't find a problem with that.
I'm speaking as a Conjurer, but I want to point out SM isn't thaaaaat useless.

You're right, it isn't so useless - for conju as warju. You can have mind blank, steel skin, force armor and other conju fancy protection spells, as well as sanct when the shit hits the fan.

With warju you can stay at one position for some time to do normals, and usually you can do it with all that protection on yourself.

With lock you need to be mobile all the time, using surroundings for your protection. Mobility and staff normals are not something what can be achieved at the same time.

[Hollow-Ichigo]

Originally Posted by edenkirin

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With lock you need to be mobile all the time, using surroundings for your protection. Mobility and staff normals are not something what can be achieved at the same time.

This is where skill comes in, if you can balance movement and normal attacks you will be a killing machine.

[Tamui]

Originally Posted by edenkirin

You're right, it isn't so useless - for conju as warju. You can have mind blank, steel skin, force armor and other conju fancy protection spells, as well as sanct when the shit hits the fan.

With warju you can stay at one position for some time to do normals, and usually you can do it with all that protection on yourself.

With lock you need to be mobile all the time, using surroundings for your protection. Mobility and staff normals are not something what can be achieved at the same time.

You speak as if Warlocks are powerless. Why and how can a Warju stay at one point only? Conjurer may high defense, but he isn't invincible. Steel Skin only works against physical damage, Force Armour is crap, Karma Mirror is nice, Energy Barrier, decent, Mind Blank, depends on your luck.
Not to mention Conjurer cannot debuff a target's defense.
I'd kill to have Elemental Exposure and Infuriate for my conju. You have freeze at low level of the Elemental tree, after it, an area freeze which can freeze DIed persons. A warlock have the potential to be a killing machine just as a Conjurer. No one tries of course, everyone will shrug and walk away.

[Shwish]

Originally Posted by edenkirin

You're right, it isn't so useless - for conju as warju. You can have mind blank, steel skin, force armor and other conju fancy protection spells, as well as sanct when the shit hits the fan.

With warju you can stay at one position for some time to do normals, and usually you can do it with all that protection on yourself.

You're forgetting the most important factor of all. A warjurer has a summon doing more or less the same damage as he does. SM is only there for grinding, warjurers and warlocks with boss jewellery. That's the sad truth. Unless we get proper scaling on our spells some time in the future that gets affected by SM buffs (which I highly doubt it will), that tree needs to be removed.

By the way, I found Staff Mastery to be terrible for grinding too.

[71175]

Originally Posted by Shwish

You're forgetting the most important factor of all. A warjurer has a summon doing more or less the same damage as he does. SM is only there for grinding, warjurers and warlocks with boss jewellery. That's the sad truth. Unless we get proper scaling on our spells some time in the future that gets affected by SM buffs (which I highly doubt it will), that tree needs to be removed.

By the way, I found Staff Mastery to be terrible for grinding too.

Well, tastes are different for all, but yes, i would be raging as hard as Spyda if i would lose ability to use normals