Why multirealming is bad

Kitsuni · 04-18-2013, 04:31 PM

Pardon the thread title.

Over time I've spoke to many multirealmers, and the large majority that I have known do not realize that they are doing anything wrong by multirealming. They have absolutely no concept of how it harms the game, and believe that they are only having fun by playing the most active realm at any given time. So I've made a little list of reasons why it is harmful, to help educate those who do not quite understand the issues that it presents.

1) Multirealmers tend to join the winning side, not the losing side.
They just want to have fun, afterall, its a game. But this tilts an already unwinnable batle further in the favor of the enemy. In many cases, this can make a critical difference, now that the game has moved from holding multiple forts for a set period of time, to holding only one fort at a time. This makes it easy for just a few more players to heavily influence the outcome.

2) Multirealmers tend to switch sides to kill the noble during invasion.
Who can honestly resist all those warmaster coins? Its not uncommon for people to switch to the winning realm to get noble kills. The problem here is that the invading realm almost always tends to have the advantage, due to how the game is designed, in a way that gives all advantages to the realm that is already advantaged (positive feedback loops). Again, this puts the losing realm at a further disadvantage, not having that player to help defend.

3) Multirealmers cannot be realistically trusted.
Someone who plays multiple realms is a logical intelligence risk and cannot be trusted not to share information. Many people see this as minor; what harm could something like telilng the other realm what fort is going to be attacked? Until a force of only five people get there to find it camped by ten enemies. Those who I have known over the years see this as "creating action", but in reality, its an action-killer, because it tilts balance to the defensive side.

4) It is hard to consider a multirealmer to be an ally.
Many chose not to support multis because they have a tendancy to switch whenever it is convenient for them, not when it is convenient for the realm. This can lead to things like getting killed by a friend and then switching to kill them in return. It creates mistrust between players.

In short... multirealming does have a significant effect on the game. In the old days, it wasn't as common as it was now, as there were no boosts and grinding a char in another realm was very difficult. Now with the introduction of boosts, more premium items, merged accounts, etc. it has become much more common, with many players thinking its just way to enjoy the game better, without realizing that they are making the game worse for everyone else, including their own friends.

I realize that realm pride doesn't mean anything to some people, but it is a very nice concept that can help your realm overcome the odds.

Gabburtjuh · 04-18-2013, 05:17 PM

I multirealmed (even perma changed) to the at that moment underpop realm, and alot of people did exactly thesame as I noticed while talking to other grinders.

Multirealming, even though I dont like it either, doesnt hurt balance that bad, its just that the total playerbase for the english server sucks. That's all I'm gonna bother saying about it.

Cuchulainn · 04-18-2013, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitsuni

Pardon the thread title.

Over time I've spoke to many multirealmers, and the large majority that I have known do not realize that they are doing anything wrong by multirealming. They have absolutely no concept of how it harms the game, and believe that they are only having fun by playing the most active realm at any given time. So I've made a little list of reasons why it is harmful, to help educate those who do not quite understand the issues that it presents.

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the statements from the points 1) and 2) would be more convincing, if you could give us a list of these multirealmers who prefer to play in the overpopulated realm.

I personally prefer to help those in the underpopulated realm (I'm not a very active player though). My chars in Ignis Cuchulainn, Lamfada; in Alsius: Fenric, Alwin, in Syrtis: Parzival (Raven) who was almost never on after the merge, and since a few weeks when Syrtis started to become underpopulated Adalwin.

IMHO multirealming in not necessarily bad in general. It just depends on how it is done.

VandaMan · 04-18-2013, 05:26 PM

I know of more who multirealm to join the underpopulated realm, although I admit this could be just a result of them being less ashamed to admit it in that case

Carn · 04-18-2013, 05:26 PM

Multirealming isn't bad, people are.

Groark · 04-18-2013, 05:33 PM

I completely agree with Kitsuni. Multirealming destroys the game.
There are even more reasons why multirealming sucks but the most important are the ones Kitsuni wrote. Problem is: what to do about it?
As I understand multirealming is continuosly switching from one realm to another for your own benefit. Switching for a large period of time I dont consider multirealming.

Rising_Cold · 04-18-2013, 05:44 PM

There are just so many types of multirealming
overall i think that the only once bad are when they switch to get noble, to win a war or to give intel

some people are multies to play at the underpop realm
others to chat to people from other realms
to explore the ini zones and quests the other realms have

I do agree that the multies who go to the winning side, switch to get noble or tell to which fort ppl are going
are bad for the game (and defenitly for the losing/underpop/defending realm)

Checkit · 04-18-2013, 05:59 PM

This thread is stupid. Virtually all, if not all, of the points OP stated are completely false and/or have no/very little facts/statistics to back them up. Just because you think this crap doesn't mean everyone else does, or that it is true.

Kitsuni · 04-18-2013, 06:00 PM

By the way ,this thread isn't to rustle anyone's feathers, just to get people thinking a bit.

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Originally Posted by Gabburtjuh

Multirealming, even though I dont like it either, doesnt hurt balance that bad, its just that the total playerbase for the english server sucks. That's all I'm gonna bother saying about it.

I can agree with this point. Some of it has alot to do with population, although I have encountered this problem on RA too.

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Originally Posted by Carn

Multirealming isn't bad, people are.

I don't honestly think that everyone is innately bad or selfish. However if someone is tempted they will be more likely to partake.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cuchulainn

the statements from the points 1) and 2) would be more convincing, if you could give us a list of these multirealmers who prefer to play in the overpopulated realm.

I personally prefer to help those in the underpopulated realm (I'm not a very active player though). My chars in Ignis Cuchulainn, Lamfada; in Alsius: Fenric, Alwin, in Syrtis: Parzival (Raven) who was almost never on after the merge, and since a few weeks when Syrtis started to become underpopulated Adalwin.

IMHO multirealming in not necessarily bad in general. It just depends on how it is done.

I actually agree with your points, and I didn't intend to be "convincing", merely "informational". I still think that the majority of multirealming is done simply for the enjoyment of the game, and that those people do not truely understand its effects, as i outlined in the original post.

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Originally Posted by VandaMan

I know of more who multirealm to join the underpopulated realm, although I admit this could be just a result of them being less ashamed to admit it in that case

I think that this truely used to be the case. But lately I see many more cases of people who just want to have fun/win/etc. I wonder why?

It can't simply be the introduction of Steam, as that was too recent.

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Originally Posted by Groark

There are even more reasons why multirealming sucks but the most important are the ones Kitsuni wrote. Problem is: what to do about it?
As I understand multirealming is continuosly switching from one realm to another for your own benefit. Switching for a large period of time I dont consider multirealming.

What to do about it? Well, NGD could provide positive incentives to stick to a single realm, or to help the underpopulated realm(s).

Aries202 · 04-18-2013, 06:29 PM

I don't mind it, the way this game works there's always one dominating realm.

What I despise is people who log in the other realm to sabotage what the realm is trying to do. Hint Aquaboxio Hint.

When I left to Alsius it was because of a new server, I don't think I could change realms just because Ignis is in the bottom of the food chain.

Some other people leave a realm just because they're fed up of their current realm.

In reality there's only a handful of people that change realms that do an impact and it only shows at night, sometimes realm A has 30 people than realm A loses 20 people and realm B magically has 20 more people.

04-18-2013, 04:31 PM	#1
Kitsuni Baron Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 886	Why multirealming is bad Pardon the thread title. Over time I've spoke to many multirealmers, and the large majority that I have known do not realize that they are doing anything wrong by multirealming. They have absolutely no concept of how it harms the game, and believe that they are only having fun by playing the most active realm at any given time. So I've made a little list of reasons why it is harmful, to help educate those who do not quite understand the issues that it presents. 1) Multirealmers tend to join the winning side, not the losing side. They just want to have fun, afterall, its a game. But this tilts an already unwinnable batle further in the favor of the enemy. In many cases, this can make a critical difference, now that the game has moved from holding multiple forts for a set period of time, to holding only one fort at a time. This makes it easy for just a few more players to heavily influence the outcome. 2) Multirealmers tend to switch sides to kill the noble during invasion. Who can honestly resist all those warmaster coins? Its not uncommon for people to switch to the winning realm to get noble kills. The problem here is that the invading realm almost always tends to have the advantage, due to how the game is designed, in a way that gives all advantages to the realm that is already advantaged (positive feedback loops). Again, this puts the losing realm at a further disadvantage, not having that player to help defend. 3) Multirealmers cannot be realistically trusted. Someone who plays multiple realms is a logical intelligence risk and cannot be trusted not to share information. Many people see this as minor; what harm could something like telilng the other realm what fort is going to be attacked? Until a force of only five people get there to find it camped by ten enemies. Those who I have known over the years see this as "creating action", but in reality, its an action-killer, because it tilts balance to the defensive side. 4) It is hard to consider a multirealmer to be an ally. Many chose not to support multis because they have a tendancy to switch whenever it is convenient for them, not when it is convenient for the realm. This can lead to things like getting killed by a friend and then switching to kill them in return. It creates mistrust between players. In short... multirealming does have a significant effect on the game. In the old days, it wasn't as common as it was now, as there were no boosts and grinding a char in another realm was very difficult. Now with the introduction of boosts, more premium items, merged accounts, etc. it has become much more common, with many players thinking its just way to enjoy the game better, without realizing that they are making the game worse for everyone else, including their own friends. I realize that realm pride doesn't mean anything to some people, but it is a very nice concept that can help your realm overcome the odds.

04-18-2013, 05:17 PM	#2
Gabburtjuh Baron Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Somewhere where grinding does NOT exist Posts: 822	I multirealmed (even perma changed) to the at that moment underpop realm, and alot of people did exactly thesame as I noticed while talking to other grinders. Multirealming, even though I dont like it either, doesnt hurt balance that bad, its just that the total playerbase for the english server sucks. That's all I'm gonna bother saying about it. __________________ EX - Dutch Wannabe OP/Tank / Wannado Bash marks/knight/barb 60 Chuck Norris hunter 52 One Bite Snack, 60 barb / Wang King, 60 knight

04-18-2013, 05:26 PM	#5
Carn Initiate Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 195	Multirealming isn't bad, people are. __________________ Carnage Amongst Others Kinda retired

04-18-2013, 05:44 PM	#7
Rising_Cold Master Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 549	There are just so many types of multirealming overall i think that the only once bad are when they switch to get noble, to win a war or to give intel some people are multies to play at the underpop realm others to chat to people from other realms to explore the ini zones and quests the other realms have I do agree that the multies who go to the winning side, switch to get noble or tell to which fort ppl are going are bad for the game (and defenitly for the losing/underpop/defending realm) __________________ Winter Wolf (hunt) Winter Mage (conju) Winter Strike (knight) Winter's Big Bro (barb) I used Mind Blank too much, now I'm too dumb to resist anything.

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04-18-2013, 05:26 PM	#4
VandaMan Baron Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 747	I know of more who multirealm to join the underpopulated realm, although I admit this could be just a result of them being less ashamed to admit it in that case

04-18-2013, 05:33 PM	#6
Groark Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 116	I completely agree with Kitsuni. Multirealming destroys the game. There are even more reasons why multirealming sucks but the most important are the ones Kitsuni wrote. Problem is: what to do about it? As I understand multirealming is continuosly switching from one realm to another for your own benefit. Switching for a large period of time I dont consider multirealming.

04-18-2013, 05:59 PM	#8
Checkit Banned Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 83	This thread is stupid. Virtually all, if not all, of the points OP stated are completely false and/or have no/very little facts/statistics to back them up. Just because you think this crap doesn't mean everyone else does, or that it is true.

04-18-2013, 06:29 PM	#10
Aries202 Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 569	I don't mind it, the way this game works there's always one dominating realm. What I despise is people who log in the other realm to sabotage what the realm is trying to do. Hint Aquaboxio Hint. When I left to Alsius it was because of a new server, I don't think I could change realms just because Ignis is in the bottom of the food chain. Some other people leave a realm just because they're fed up of their current realm. In reality there's only a handful of people that change realms that do an impact and it only shows at night, sometimes realm A has 30 people than realm A loses 20 people and realm B magically has 20 more people.