Warlock in battlezones

[Kimahri_Ronso]

Originally Posted by hardboy

Marksman : average-high damage , high range , average defense, good mobility, good escapability, many CCs

Hunter : average-high damage, high range, average defense, good mobility , good escapability, average-low CCs

Barbarian : high damage, melee range, average defense, good mobility, average escapability, many CCs

Knight : average-high damage, melee range, high defense, average mobility, good escapability, many CCs

Warlock : low damage, average range, low defense, no mobility, no escapility, highest amount of CCs

Exactly this. Highest amount of CCs, but also the highest amount of useless CCs, the highest amount of low-ranged CCs.

I'd add to your list one more thing Slarti,
-range 10 Roar

Just a suggestion, do not bother replying to Evanz anymore, just ignore his posts

You are right, warlock needs buffing in every area, every area except PvP.

[halvdan]

I agree with most opinions said here.

Little decrease of some CC durations which are already too long - twister, maybe beetle (already mentioned in other thread) in exchange for little increase of damage and survivability would be a good step I think.

And there is another fact to be aware of. Increase of movement speed of more classes has also impact on the "range needed" for range classes. While before 25 range could provide enough time for casting several spells, general increase of speed causes that 25 range provides less time than before.

Also, another sensible suggestion is to make intelligence having impact on spell damage, as it is stated in spell manual:

Intelligence
Affects the recovery rate of your characters mana (powers) bar and the mage's spell values.

[kowocki]

[QUOTE=Evanz;1866130]I

...Warlock are fiiiiineeeeee XDDD They even deserve a nerf(?...
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YES I agree with Evanz, warlock free meat for barb should be even more free!!!

(i play barb and knight in TDM)

MORE FREE KILLS!

sarcasm off

warlock needs some escape spell sth like escapist/sotw or retailation of archers

I played once my clan friends warlock, from my warrior point of view regarding mana cost/result on target 80% of spells is just lol?/useless. We could get all usefull warlock spells in a single spell tree and there would be a room for 1-2 more new spells.

[halvdan]

Originally Posted by Evanz

...Yes and it is said that only one is born every 1000 years

Regnum being launched in 2006, we should be having eh... average 0.01 true warlocks born by now.

[Evanz33]

Well i need to say that i made a mistake. Its just that people here is to aggresive when you give them a sincere opinion at a point where you cant take them seriously because i dont see them as adults (i mean what else you will think if u give them sincere advice and the only respond they give are "noob"). Sorry for my troll moment.

Its ok if the general population of warlock wants to make the class more easy. But it doesnt mean that warlock is weak and it doest mean just buffs like crazy. If warlock wants more survavility then need nerf in the cc Area this is just an example dont insult me

[Dedric Fox]

Originally Posted by Slartibartfast

I see you pulled this opinion out of your nose, not playing TDM at all.

lmfao, that's exactly what your list does. Locks can honestly dominate in TDM, you personally, are garbage. Your complaints are biased, I wouldnt say extrememly, but they most definitely are. They seem to stem from your own short-comings in TDM. Sombria sure hasn't a made a single complaint about her experiences with TDM and she now owns the full set.

[Slartibartfast]

Originally Posted by Dedric Fox

lmfao, that's exactly what your list does. Locks can honestly dominate in TDM, you personally, are garbage. Your complaints are biased, I wouldnt say extrememly, but they most definitely are. They seem to stem from your own short-comings in TDM. Sombria sure hasn't a made a single complaint about her experiences with TDM and she now owns the full set.

I don't see any valid argument against my list. The fact that you know the lock who doesn't complain means nothing.

[Almighty1]

I would say most of the points listed are valid only in particular situations and not in general.

TDM depends on the team you get. A barb in a team is really helpful to get you kills. But, I still remember a TDM which I won with Caerleyn (lock) and Mavado (hunter) even though the other team had barb(s).

Also, about getting kills, I think a warlock is more suited for setting up the kill for his team mates than getting any by himself (unless you are on SM). You use your CC's efficiently so your team mates can bag the kills.

And finally, yes, warlocks do die very fast (anything to buff our defense would be appreciated NGD, hehe). But sometimes I would be glad that I got killed in a TDM fight because most of my spells would be on cd and respawning brings them all back from Cooldown

[Hollow-Ichigo]

Originally Posted by Almighty1

I would say most of the points listed are valid only in particular situations and not in general.

TDM depends on the team you get. A barb in a team is really helpful to get you kills. But, I still remember a TDM which I won with Caerleyn (lock) and Mavado (hunter) even though the other team had barb(s).

The only reason I die in TDM is because of warlocks, getting terrored and then darknessed can basically make anyone useless.

I agree though, it really depends on your team. If you get a barbarian and lock the kills are easy to get.

[mag mage]

Hello, my main class is Warlock, and as a Champion with 80% winning rate ( I guess e.e) , in my opinion warlock is fine. I have some tips to avoid these situations, first of all you have a team with you, battlezone isn't player X or Player Y, its team play and yeah, I'm from Ra, I don't have native english :'(

- When group joins TDM, party says: "Oh no, he's warlock, not conju."
Warlocks can be more useful than conju, warlock in TDM is a support class, because there isn't any conju in your team, support isn't only heal allies, because you can't. As warlock you have to dispel your allies, bring Synergy Bond, CC ur enemies and do damage, yeah... So many thing to do, this is warlock, you can be everything and NEVER, NEVER stop moving.

- Can't reach archer
As I say when it happens in Warzone, if you can't hit your enemy, don't let him hit you, use Wind Wall to receive less damage and avoid him, your team will reach him someway, stay with them.

- Marks casts WS, barb rushes in - dead warlock
You're not alone, never stay alone, you may have 2 warriors in your team, if one of them is knight, you're safe with his auras and Protect Ally, if they are barbs, their dmg is stronger than this rushing barb, you can also bring Laziness and Darkness, Mind Push to counter him. PS: Marksmen have Fire Arrow.

- Barb with DI - dead warlock
Yeah, DI is a way to counter warlocks, here is when your experience helps you, always be on max range against barbs if you don't feel safe, keep burning and stealing their mana and NEVER stop moving, the barb will use Spring first, if you're quick, you can meteor him before his UM, you can also use Ivy, even frozen storm and twister if they're not rushing into you, if you stop him for 1 second, your team will be already attacking him.

- Can't get away from rushing barb because of his ultimate speed
You have so many ways to counter a barb...

- Can't cc or stop rushing knight - Faint/kick endless combo from knight
If he is using Defensive Support, you can use Ivy, slow, mind push, twister, mass ivy, he has -10% movement speed with DS, NEVER stop moving and he won't be a problem to you, if he turns his Defensive Stance off, Darkness him and he will die.

- Can't do any DoT damage - mages and knights dispells it - Can't do any real damage
You don't have to only do damage, you have to CC ur enemies, stun their frontline, you don't kill, you make the "kill" happens, you have strong CCs and you have to take advantage from it, freeze knights, use darkness to avoid mages' dispel. make your enemies stay out of the game.

- Can't score a kill with pathetic DoT damage
Lighting, Ice Blast, Freeze (lvl 3 +) = Warlock Y defeated poor player, You don't have to score kills, only if nobody can do it at the moment. You can also steal kills with fireball and meteor. Use skills to your favor, Summon Lighting and Sultar's Terror are good damage skills, yeah, sultar can deal damage too...

- Can't cast any spell when running back to base while barb is doing op normals
I agree, but it happens with all classes.

- Can't cast EB or Wind Wall when running back to base while marks is doing op damage
You must have good items, as good as this op-damage-marks' gear, your allies can help you with Onslaught to run away, also, your team's archer will be attacking him.

- Casts sultar and half of enemy players resists/blocks it
Luck, but if your enemies used Son of the Wind or Precise Block its your fault, use the map, strategy, Sultar is a strong spell in battlezone, you have to surprise your enemies, see this video as example: https://youtu.be/FssAbD6UaIk?t=7m48s - Minute 8:30 too.
Sultar - darkness - Ivy or twister - dead.

- Can't manage to survive in narrow passages
You have your team. CC ur enemies, see the video above.

- Can't compete at all against other """""""""overbuffed"""""""" classes


- When warlock finally spends whole spellbook to _almost_ kill an enemy player, some marks from other side of map hits normal on him and scores a kill
This is archer's and knight's role, if you did the last hit, isn't because you're good, its because someone didn't make his job, you don't have to spend all whole spellbook, you have a team too.

Unfortunately I didn't record any gameplay during BZ time, but I have a video with a good teamplay, 2 BZ there, first team: Warlock, Conju, Marks, Hunter. Second team: Warlock, Warlock, Conju, Hunter. No op-damage-barb in team. Here is it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhtPC5u841g

Best Regards.