a question about all this "save camping".

[amade]

Originally Posted by Zidane_Tribal

i wonder what would happen if instead of complaining about save-campers, you made a clan that would specifically target save campers. call yourselves "kamper killer klan" or something, and when someone in your realm spots a save camper, go target that person, repeatedly, killing them at every opportunity. give them a taste of their own medicine.

I had something similar in mind, though I don't think I'll be leaving my current clan anytime soon so it's just daydreaming really

However, now that I don't spend my time grinding anymore I like to hang around bridges with a mate or two to report enemy incursions or take out the occasional lone hunter. Who needs to hunt when the enemies keep pouring in?

[magnet]

Anyone can look at my history and see that I always considered and still consider Altar camping lame, yet it shouldn't be forbidden either. Camping is lame. Attacking the save is lame too but less than camping it .

I just want to point out something to Witch about his argument on mobs over lv 39 in the War Zone. Your argument is fundamentally flawed because you consider you have no choice but to go in the War Zone. Well I tell you, you can stop exping. The game is designed, and I hope it doesn't change, that the biggest challenge in gaining exp is not the grinding time but the other realms attacking you. Yes you may feel like it's lame. But well, roleplaying wise, it builds your hate towards them, that's a good game design/technique (wanted or not) to rely on feelings & social behavior. It also teaches you to have a party to hang with and to learn to fight.

Why would you want to get higher level than 39 if it's not for war? Level 39, even 37, is a perfectly fine level for the inner realm. Level 50 is needed for war, and if you want to participate, you have to be ready to be killed a lot at first.

I truly hope we can never get to level 50 in the safe zone, we already have enough levels 50 who don't know anything about how to fight. You can see how it happens on experimental with new players getting a level 50 char... I saw a level 50 conjurer rushing a Warlock, wasn't pretty ...

I know being hunted is already discouraging at first, but I actually enjoyed it in some wicked way because I swore revenge and it gave me a good reason to get better and level up fast. Save camping is even worse because you're powerless, and it's truly lame in my mind. But it shouldn't prevented.

The War Zone is just that; there is no sanctuary, there is no peace. Be ready to die, or just stay in the safe zone and stop exping. If you like grinding you can still do it on lower level mobs after all . I saw you at Samal so I think you're in it for the War? Or were you just testing it out (btw I'm the one who canceled your rez from afar at some point ).? Well anyway you have a choice so it's not forced on you.

My solution: make resurrection dizziness permanent if the player does not move, cancel it at first step (so it will indeed give an advantage to the player and not the save campers, but that's OK because the altar is here anyway).

[Drah]

You know, if you want to keep your blood pressure at a reasonable level, you could always try my method of dealing with save-campers:

1. Report it to your realm
2. Log out (or switch chars).
3. Wait 10-15 minutes for the campers to leave or get killed.
4. Log back in.

Works for me.

[NightTwix]

Zidane, first i wanted to push you on the "noob pile" too
but its cool you apologized

i dislike savecamping too. its simply lame.

first i have to say that i dont see savecampers that often (maybe cause i use to idle inside forts?).
Still I think its a bit hyped but it does happen of course.

But you cant just run away from savecampers.
The times i experienced it, there were other people around who fought against the campers, so you cant let them down.
even if you die a few times and gift rp, you still have to get them down.

everyone running away into another direction for 2 minutes sounds reasonable in theory only.
practiacally its not possible because
a) they will follow you and kill you and head back to the save
b) they will stay at the save and kill your mates
c) you run into a random direction where you cant level up (cause thats what you are up to most of the time)
d) you just run into the next hunting group

The best thing to do is to call for help. i know that ignis is very quick at cleaning up savecampers at the main save.
if you are all alone you problably should try to shake them off, but when they are around with a hunter they will find you anyway.

[El_Naso]

in my own experience ending up in a save in the middle of a hunt is a death sentence 90% of the times, although I never went out hunting especifically to end up in a save and never yet with a high level group (notice i´m talking of main saves)

my advice to newbies:

1) save in the main save, not the secondary saves. Save where everybody else does
2) get to know how people move inside your relam. Find the unpopulated zones and avoid them if you are alone.
3) find the fastest route from one point to another (it´s easier now with the map)
4) go savecamping. Experience it yourself

[Zidane_Tribal]

Originally Posted by NightTwix

Zidane, first i wanted to push you on the "noob pile" too
but its cool you apologized

i know when to admit i made a mistake and move on

Originally Posted by NightTwix

i dislike savecamping too. its simply lame.

first i have to say that i dont see savecampers that often (maybe cause i use to idle inside forts?).
Still I think its a bit hyped but it does happen of course.

me either, but it obviously happens, although tbh i think its massively overhyped.

Originally Posted by NightTwix

But you cant just run away from savecampers.
The times i experienced it, there were other people around who fought against the campers, so you cant let them down.
even if you die a few times and gift rp, you still have to get them down.

everyone running away into another direction for 2 minutes sounds reasonable in theory only.
practiacally its not possible because
a) they will follow you and kill you and head back to the save
b) they will stay at the save and kill your mates
c) you run into a random direction where you cant level up (cause thats what you are up to most of the time)
d) you just run into the next hunting group

i think you miss my point. let me walk through it.

1. both of you start at the save. you run in one direction for two minutes, they follow.

2. you get pwned. at this point, you are two minutes away from the save point, the campers have followed you and killed you.

3. hit ressurect. you get flown back to the savepoint immedeately, the campers are two minutes away. you get a two minute head start running in the other direction.

now, this is not a tactic to use to let you go lvling, this is a tactic used to escape a bad situation. it is a last ditch suicide run to buy you some time to get the hell out of dodge. it gives you time to escape, regroup, maybe go back and fight them with a group, or get someone of higher lvl to lend a hand. either way, the answer is not a solo suicide attack, repeating the same mistake several times, then posting about how unfair it was on the forums.

of course, if they are following you, there is nothing to stop you from running deeper into your realm, leading them further into harms way.

Originally Posted by NightTwix

The best thing to do is to call for help. i know that ignis is very quick at cleaning up savecampers at the main save.
if you are all alone you problably should try to shake them off, but when they are around with a hunter they will find you anyway.

this is another part of my point. you should do something, summon help or run away. the trouble is, some people seem to think the best thing to do is cancel rez dizzy and attack them, again and again, getting killed again and again, the seem to think they should be given a free pass to immortality just because they are standing at an altar.

in short, you have two options, run away or get help and kick some ass. the answer is not run towards the enemy, getting a beatdown, then doing it again and again, and tbh, people just dont seem to understand this point.

heck, if it really annoys people that much, they can just close the game and walk away, do something else for a while, play with another character. its not like their lives depend on regnum.

i think magnet, Drah and El_naso all have the right idea for dealing with save campers.

[Boger]

Save camping is lame,
but every "victim" of them are lame too, cause they dont use ress dizzy too run away to the nearest fort, or just log off.
Now hush hush, kiss for truce, have a beer or two, and continue playing

[Zidane_Tribal]

Originally Posted by Boger

Save camping is lame,
but every "victim" of them are lame too, cause they dont use ress dizzy too run away to the nearest fort, or just log off.
Now hush hush, kiss for truce, have a beer or two, and continue playing

i couldn't have put it better myself. time to log off and watch spooks

[Angelwinged_Devil]

save camping is lame yes, and it sucks being killed by save campers, I have never actually tried it (neither victim nor attacker.) But for the victims. Well yeah I see witch is trying to defend it, which is ok, but bringing some relam mates or calling for help while you are invulnerable would probably be a good idea

[jrlg23]

Originally Posted by Zidane_Tribal

just a query........

you are in a warzone, an area known for its unlimited pvp, with no restrictions on kills other than you cannot team-kill. within the warzone, it is allready known to you that the enemy is at large, is actively hunting you, and is quite capable of putting you in harms way.

so, when faced with this situation...... you choose to save in the warzone?

now, if that wasn't enough...... when the enemy kills you, you have two minutes of complete invulnerability in which they cannot attack you, built into the game, preventing them from taking any hostile actions towards you for two minutes......

and you choose to spend those two minutes, standing right in front of them, waiting for it to wear off.....


so, i guess my question is this. why are you complaining about being killed in an area where you know full well there is absolutely no limits, nothing at all to prevent you from being killed. secondly, what the hell are you guys doing while your resurrection dizziness is on?

see, the way i see it is this: if you are in the warzone, you can expect to be attacked, there is nothing at all to stop people attacking save points, they are, after all, quite important strategic points.

secondly, why the hell do you think ngd gave you resurrection dizziness, so you can escape if someone is camping a save point. see, if someone has killed you more than once, then you must know damn well that they are tougher than you, capable of killing you, and have no qualms whatsoever about killing you...... so what the hell are you doing hanging around waiting to be attacked! here is a clue, run away.

i should point out, i am rarely, if ever, in the warzone, and don't usually go any further than central, but here is the clue........ i know its a warzone, and when people kill me out there, i don't go whining like a n00b all over the forums.

for heaven's sakes, enough with the "he pwned me, so i stood there for two minutes and let him pwn me again, then i stood there for another two minutes and let him do it again... and again....".

in short, all you people whining about save camping: if you are being killed at a save point, it is your own damn fault, either stand and fight or run away, but if you stand and fight, don't be such whining n00bs when the enemy turns out to be tougher than you.

il start with this if u ignis il fight u and if u a enmy il kill u for sure i hate campers i dont camp i dont need easy rps i dont care about that but if u got guts of coming to the save knowing u goin to die then shut up. second wat i do if i get attck i call my realm thats why i wont move and ya fall for it waiting for the 2 mins to run out ya dam noobs. yes the realm is open and is anything goes but there is a reason why the dizzy is on like u said is not to run away is for ya campers to stop camping. if i camp in any place im sorry but if u see me at a gate or a save is cuz i just happen to be run pass ya. rps is rps but ur name and ur pride comes first the way ppl look at u remember that. i guess u just some other low noob dont know anything about the game