New Balance Update: Hits/Criticals/Evasion (Stage 6) - Page 12

Gideon_Slack · 08-14-2010, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gourmandine

Do you really plan to move Stalker Surrounding to level 17 position?
It's supposed to be a support spell and we actually must do sacrifice to get it, especially if you use a pet. Moving it to level 17 position will make it to easy for hunters with pet to get it.
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I assume Hunters keep their pets under Stalker?

The question is will pet-users move to Pet + Stalker for ganking and ambushes (at bridges and so on)?

Stalker has a long cooldown, but I have no doubt gankers have the patience to wait it out.

It will be interesting to see how much of a problem this will be.

theotherhiveking · 08-14-2010, 09:30 PM

+critchance influence of the hit-chance items is a overkill... but only if you compare them to +concentration items and skills, because +2% critchance isnt going to crush you at all, while it still looks like a nice bonus.

Concentration should influence hit-chance more, while the +hit-chance influence should be reduced by using smaller numbers on the items and removing the hit-chance bonuses on storebrought weapons to accentuate the bonus for the people who actively seek to have lots of crits or high precision.

The reason conc still feels a bit useless is that people go around with +25hitchance gloves and +19+ hitchance weapons, the hitchance influence on everything is correct, but the bonus numbers are waay too high.

Capping the bonus around 15 (still an huge bonus), removing the hitchance bonus from store weapon and making the concentration have some extra influence would fix it, as these changes would kind of cancel each other, while encouraging more varied configs making the difference really obvious for everyone, and would make concentration more attractive overall.

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Shown numbers should be processed. If those +15 points of damage will be turned into 10 then show 10, this is even more important for the weapon base damage, which is highly misleading.

Attribute influences, delay between attacks, and cast speeds should be shown on the character sheet, same with spell focus.

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Mobs resists is still too high, but i understand that has yet to be fixed.

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Dex passives for warriors have still to be replaced. Seems like Conc would be a good alternative now.

Klutu · 08-14-2010, 10:23 PM

some things ive noticed from doing more testing..

Knights need more Crowd Controls.. - They can't compete with a barb who have more CC & out Damage them..

Simple ideas..

Make Back slam increase %%% on each lvl or make it a cannot attack..

Provoking Blow -> -15 dex/str/int/conc on all lvls

Shield Bash - Instant

Taunt - Make it Castable VS Enemies

I fought against alot of knights today & there damage is so small now that they need more CC to be able to win a 1 on 1 encounter

Klutu · 08-14-2010, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theotherhiveking

Dex passives for warriors have still to be replaced. Seems like Conc would be a good alternative now.

Yes - Dex isn't useful to warriors & I don't see Archers or Mages with a str passive

Comp · 08-14-2010, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gideon_Slack

I assume Hunters keep their pets under Stalker?

The question is will pet-users move to Pet + Stalker for ganking and ambushes (at bridges and so on)?

Stalker has a long cooldown, but I have no doubt gankers have the patience to wait it out.

It will be interesting to see how much of a problem this will be.

Guys - stalker isn't at 17 - it looks to me like a spell is missing. My guess is they are re-working "reveal" which was on a version of amun a day or so ago.

von1958 · 08-14-2010, 11:58 PM

stalker is a lvl19 spell

Gideon_Slack · 08-15-2010, 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Compost

Guys - stalker isn't at 17 - it looks to me like a spell is missing. My guess is they are re-working "reveal" which was on a version of amun a day or so ago.

Yep, just checked this out on Amun.

Stalker is at level 19. Looks like the missing spell is at Level 5.

Kyrottimus · 08-15-2010, 12:26 AM

I just thought of something. Trell market is now way far from the new trell save location.

Shouldn't it be moved to be closer to trell save, like all the other markets and saves?

_Enio_ · 08-15-2010, 12:33 AM

Hitchance on bows seems to be +%, probably on gauntlets too.

Escapist lvl5 is bugged, it has only +1000 evade instead of +1500 as lvl1-4 have.

Another interesting thing is, with 1574 hc you can hit nicely through Escapist.

Edit: As stated 3 posts later +hc on bows/gear is multiplied by 4 to get the actual bonus..

Gourmandine · 08-15-2010, 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gideon_Slack

Yep, just checked this out on Amun.

Stalker is at level 19. Looks like the missing spell is at Level 5.

Yes, my bad. I posted too fast about it.

08-14-2010, 09:30 PM	#112
theotherhiveking Count Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,452	+critchance influence of the hit-chance items is a overkill... but only if you compare them to +concentration items and skills, because +2% critchance isnt going to crush you at all, while it still looks like a nice bonus. Concentration should influence hit-chance more, while the +hit-chance influence should be reduced by using smaller numbers on the items and removing the hit-chance bonuses on storebrought weapons to accentuate the bonus for the people who actively seek to have lots of crits or high precision. The reason conc still feels a bit useless is that people go around with +25hitchance gloves and +19+ hitchance weapons, the hitchance influence on everything is correct, but the bonus numbers are waay too high. Capping the bonus around 15 (still an huge bonus), removing the hitchance bonus from store weapon and making the concentration have some extra influence would fix it, as these changes would kind of cancel each other, while encouraging more varied configs making the difference really obvious for everyone, and would make concentration more attractive overall. ----------- Shown numbers should be processed. If those +15 points of damage will be turned into 10 then show 10, this is even more important for the weapon base damage, which is highly misleading. Attribute influences, delay between attacks, and cast speeds should be shown on the character sheet, same with spell focus. ---------- Mobs resists is still too high, but i understand that has yet to be fixed. --------- Dex passives for warriors have still to be replaced. Seems like Conc would be a good alternative now. __________________ ⎺⎺⎺⎺⎺⎺⎺⎺⎺⎺ Last edited by theotherhiveking; 08-14-2010 at 10:10 PM.

08-14-2010, 10:23 PM	#113
Klutu Baron Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 714	some things ive noticed from doing more testing.. Knights need more Crowd Controls.. - They can't compete with a barb who have more CC & out Damage them.. Simple ideas.. Make Back slam increase %%% on each lvl or make it a cannot attack.. Provoking Blow -> -15 dex/str/int/conc on all lvls Shield Bash - Instant Taunt - Make it Castable VS Enemies I fought against alot of knights today & there damage is so small now that they need more CC to be able to win a 1 on 1 encounter __________________ Ramsli Klutu

08-15-2010, 12:26 AM	#118
Kyrottimus Baron Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Montana, U.S.A. Posts: 690	I just thought of something. Trell market is now way far from the new trell save location. Shouldn't it be moved to be closer to trell save, like all the other markets and saves? __________________ Μολὼν λαβέ Kyrottimus: 60 - Barbarian (WM) RIP \|\| Rykor: 60 - Knight (WM) RIP Vanosen Sagesight: 60 - Marksman (WM) RIP \|\| Orykus: 60 - Hunter RIP

08-15-2010, 12:33 AM	#119
_Enio_ Marquis Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 1,843	Hitchance on bows seems to be +%, probably on gauntlets too. Escapist lvl5 is bugged, it has only +1000 evade instead of +1500 as lvl1-4 have. Another interesting thing is, with 1574 hc you can hit nicely through Escapist. Edit: As stated 3 posts later +hc on bows/gear is multiplied by 4 to get the actual bonus.. __________________ Fix the Marksman subclass: Suggestion Last edited by _Enio_; 08-15-2010 at 06:12 AM.

08-14-2010, 11:58 PM	#116
von1958 Initiate Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 121	stalker is a lvl19 spell