Mob health regeneration

pauluzz · 10-10-2010, 11:11 AM

Hey,

this is the situation:
Im grinding my lvl 13 conj, I attack a mob lvl 13.
when the mob is like half dead i run away,, after all the mob runs back to its
spawn position. but while doing that it regenerates its health with like 25% per seccond...
I had this a few times now and its realy annoying :/
i know there was an update recently wich had these regenerations in it but
is this normal? that fast regeneration?

Regards,

blood-raven · 10-10-2010, 11:20 AM

yeah i noticed it's a bit extreme, an agro that is nearly killed by ws spamming runs back to he's position and has full health in no time.

i can imagen this makes grinding a pain and grinding in groups isn't always an option cause there might be noone online, maybe lower the regeneration a bit.

Dupa_z_Zasady · 10-13-2010, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by pauluzz

i know there was an update recently wich had these regenerations in it but
is this normal? that fast regeneration?

This is most hilarious thing! That update was supposed to prevent archers from kiting based grinding, but in my opinion it hit mages the most, especially warlocks, as they relay on damaging spells, or mental to keep mobs away. With current, high, rate of mob resistance you have to stay and get hit, and energy barrier won't help you much, or you can let mob run back and let regenerate his health. I don't feel much pain on my archers as mana regenerates much faster now so i can use damaging spells more extensively, but grinding my lock became a nightmare (as i dont have SK for mobs now). Fortunately i have only half a level to 50 on both my conju and lock.
And you know what? I think that XP scrolls for ranged are waste of money now.
I saw maybe 3 people (max, including me) in Horus/Ignis using kiting for grinding. By introducing that "feature" they made harder lives of many, many more people. Maybe this is that NGS's policy of making game more attractive to new players, but i don't know how making something boring like grinding harder is going to make game more attractive.

bois · 10-13-2010, 06:12 PM

As an archer it did not change much.

My hunter just uses the pet to stop the mob returning and as such that part is easy.

My marks has a decent range so I can basically stun fist or ambush before it tries to return. Optionally, I need to let it hit me only once to let it hold position. I can kill challenging easy with no epic or magical gear. I still grind my marks with lvl 16 armour. No problems.

Melee has to engage so no problem there.

For the mage, I skill beetle as high as I can get it and hit that first. I can then attack without the Mob noticing me. After that I can Ivy. As a lock I can DoT and freeze.
Optionally, I also hit the mob as normal and cast beetle on the way to me. I stand in the middle of the attack and return cycle then. The mob passes me under beetle and returns but it will not recover as the return phase now becomes the attack phase part 2. This must be timed carefully as beetle must end before the return phase. Because I stand a little off to the side, the mob (most times) will be out of beetle and will change direction to hit me and actually not regenerate. By this method I extend the attack cycle range , giving my dots time to operate.
In most cases the mob hits me once or sometimes not at all. If the sequence fails at least I have barrier up to block the hits. If I am high enough to get a golem I can use that as a distraction.

Regards
Artec.

Awrath · 10-13-2010, 06:27 PM

I must agree the health regen is a bit extreme. While grinding my conju and warlock, I often beetle a mob running towards me to prevent it attacking me. Of course the mob continues running past me, next thing I know, it's running back to its original position and regenerating health faster than I can do damage to it. The beetle + mob running too far + regen doesn't happen very often to me though.

DemonMonger · 10-14-2010, 01:10 AM

Hp regen... is not good. We don't really need it

Shwish · 10-14-2010, 06:39 AM

I feel kinda sorry for the new players who have to kill those pendant holders without hit and run tactics.

I think NGD's plan was to make grinding easier for warriors. This however was translated into making grinding harder for all other classes to balance it out. More mana for archers helps alot tho.

Lekarz · 10-14-2010, 07:11 AM

Ancient Igneo is impossible when you have quest to kill it - congratz NGD
Same as with Mad igneo - hard mobs when you get quest.
I can't image 49 lvl quest with killing v hard mob (orc)

Is that hard to change quest-target-mobs? Hex -> hex?

On the other side we , in Ignis, have quests to kill unchall pantheras (to get stupid 1 item, aprox. 40 mobs you need to get it), v easy tol tards (25 lvl quest, they are normal at 23)...

About regen.. imho thats bad idea, maybe it will prevent killing bosses (?), but who does it by pulling them? They have enough high regen...

pauluzz · 10-14-2010, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Shwish

I feel kinda sorry for the new players who have to kill those pendant holders without hit and run tactics.

Yea I can never kill the pendands alone.. I always killed it for like 25% and rest then again 25% etc. But thats what they wanned to prevend with this update i guess.

it also affects the superbosses
Yesterday Everdim had just 5% health left, and its not so funny to see it in full health in secconds :P

Greyman_tle · 10-14-2010, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bois

As an archer it did not change much.

Agree with hunter, hold a mob in place with a pet.

But for a marx, having to let a mob hit them, forcing a ranged character into melee is a bad move....whats nxt? making the ranged mobs keep range?

Also i agree with all that the rate of regen is far to high.

I can see why its been done, it encourages group grinding, but its doing it with a stick rather than a carrot....even a small carrot (lots have been sugested) would be helpful.

10-10-2010, 11:11 AM	#1
pauluzz Initiate Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 178	Mob health regeneration Hey, this is the situation: Im grinding my lvl 13 conj, I attack a mob lvl 13. when the mob is like half dead i run away,, after all the mob runs back to its spawn position. but while doing that it regenerates its health with like 25% per seccond... I had this a few times now and its realy annoying :/ i know there was an update recently wich had these regenerations in it but is this normal? that fast regeneration? Regards,

10-10-2010, 11:20 AM	#2
blood-raven Master Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Belgium Posts: 561	yeah i noticed it's a bit extreme, an agro that is nearly killed by ws spamming runs back to he's position and has full health in no time. i can imagen this makes grinding a pain and grinding in groups isn't always an option cause there might be noone online, maybe lower the regeneration a bit. __________________ SHAKE IT LIKE A POLAR BEAR NINJA

10-13-2010, 06:12 PM	#4
bois Count Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Trinidad and Tobago Posts: 1,194	As an archer it did not change much. My hunter just uses the pet to stop the mob returning and as such that part is easy. My marks has a decent range so I can basically stun fist or ambush before it tries to return. Optionally, I need to let it hit me only once to let it hold position. I can kill challenging easy with no epic or magical gear. I still grind my marks with lvl 16 armour. No problems. Melee has to engage so no problem there. For the mage, I skill beetle as high as I can get it and hit that first. I can then attack without the Mob noticing me. After that I can Ivy. As a lock I can DoT and freeze. Optionally, I also hit the mob as normal and cast beetle on the way to me. I stand in the middle of the attack and return cycle then. The mob passes me under beetle and returns but it will not recover as the return phase now becomes the attack phase part 2. This must be timed carefully as beetle must end before the return phase. Because I stand a little off to the side, the mob (most times) will be out of beetle and will change direction to hit me and actually not regenerate. By this method I extend the attack cycle range , giving my dots time to operate. In most cases the mob hits me once or sometimes not at all. If the sequence fails at least I have barrier up to block the hits. If I am high enough to get a golem I can use that as a distraction. Regards Artec.

10-13-2010, 06:27 PM	#5
Awrath Master Join Date: May 2010 Location: England Posts: 455	I must agree the health regen is a bit extreme. While grinding my conju and warlock, I often beetle a mob running towards me to prevent it attacking me. Of course the mob continues running past me, next thing I know, it's running back to its original position and regenerating health faster than I can do damage to it. The beetle + mob running too far + regen doesn't happen very often to me though.

10-14-2010, 01:10 AM	#6
DemonMonger Marquis Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Edge of the Abyss Posts: 2,066	Hp regen... is not good. We don't really need it

10-14-2010, 06:39 AM	#7
Shwish Baron Join Date: May 2010 Location: South Africa Posts: 906	I feel kinda sorry for the new players who have to kill those pendant holders without hit and run tactics. I think NGD's plan was to make grinding easier for warriors. This however was translated into making grinding harder for all other classes to balance it out. More mana for archers helps alot tho.

10-14-2010, 07:11 AM	#8
Lekarz Master Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Poland Posts: 285	Ancient Igneo is impossible when you have quest to kill it - congratz NGD Same as with Mad igneo - hard mobs when you get quest. I can't image 49 lvl quest with killing v hard mob (orc) Is that hard to change quest-target-mobs? Hex -> hex? On the other side we , in Ignis, have quests to kill unchall pantheras (to get stupid 1 item, aprox. 40 mobs you need to get it), v easy tol tards (25 lvl quest, they are normal at 23)... About regen.. imho thats bad idea, maybe it will prevent killing bosses (?), but who does it by pulling them? They have enough high regen...