Warlocks and Cast Speed

[Inkster]

pretty often, as it happens, i normally play with no more than 3 people and only recently we took out 15 lvl 45-50's in a single fight around 3 times

[VandaMan]

Originally Posted by Inkster

pretty often, as it happens, i normally play with no more than 3 people and only recently we took out 15 lvl 45-50's in a single fight around 3 times

That is complete and utter bullshit. Now you're just arguing for arguments sake, and making things up. You wouldn't win 3 vs 15 if they were level 35's, let alone level 50's that can kill you in the duration of 1 knock down.

[Inkster]

No need to swear and it is totally true, the party consisted of myself, twinkle, Lucinda wintersun, Lubaya and Hitman

[Catelyn]

Thanks vandaMan, at least someone points out what I was trying to say (maybe not clearly enough).

I feel Im not useful when playing lock for that reason, Im just waiting for everyone to charge. Try stepping forward and you will get hit with multiple ethereal+arcane, which not many spells can protect you from. Most of the time, it's just standing doing nothing.

Now for the pvp part, yes locks are very effective against warriors when you have slow 3+ and mind push.
Hunters with confuse are tricky though. And marks are deadly.

For the simple chain example, with ivy 5 you have time to cast darkness + 2 dot spells with very short gcd, and then you need a cc again. Unless you stack ivy with twister, or frozen storm but it's dumb to use darkness and to freeze after. But if you do ivy+twister, you need a dizzy spell in between.
Besides Ivy is not that good as a first spell, you need to make sure they are dizzed first, or archers will cast sotw or low profile, knights have ao1 or precise block if it works with ivy, locks will cast silence or meteor or beetle or whatever.

Was your fight in open field?

[VandaMan]

Originally Posted by Inkster

[...]no more than 3 people and only recently we[...]

Originally Posted by Inkster

the party consisted of myself, twinkle, Lucinda wintersun, Lubaya and Hitman

You need to work on your counting skills. That's slightly more believable, but it would still have to be in extraordinary circumstances, and will likely never happen again. You can't consider cases like that when you're talking about a class in general, or balance.

In any case, epic stories of your exploits do not mean anything to me. Getting a warlock to range 20, and casting 5+ spells without being interrupted is terribly difficult, to the point of being nearly impossible without outnumbering your enemy. If you can't agree with that, then you either have very good conjurers paying special attention to you, you don't play a warlock, or you never play when outnumbered.

[Twinkle1]

Originally Posted by VandaMan

That is complete and utter bullshit. Now you're just arguing for arguments sake, and making things up. You wouldn't win 3 vs 15 if they were level 35's, let alone level 50's that can kill you in the duration of 1 knock down.

ROFPMSL dude it happens all the time, no bull shyt its true.

[Inkster]

Originally Posted by Inkster

pretty often, as it happens, i normally play with no more than 3 people and only recently we took out 15 lvl 45-50's in a single fight around 3 times

Note the word normally you conveniently left out when you quoted me, i cant be bothered to argue with you as you are now just trolling for the sake of it

oh btw my main char is a warlock and although we had a conjur, i was not given any special treatment

EDIT:

Originally Posted by VandaMan

Also, red karma shouldn't be used just because someone disagrees with you, and disagreeing with you is not the same as trolling you. Fortunately I think most forum users recognize that "you're a troll, I'm not going to bother with you" is used as a cheap cop-out for the losing side of an argument just as often as it is the truth. Enjoy not feeding the troll, and have a nice day.

I didn't give you red K until just now, so obviously someone else did not like your post or comment etc. Just so you know you had your facts wrong, when i give K either good or bad i always sign it, unlike your good self

[VandaMan]

Originally Posted by Inkster

Note the word normally you conveniently left out when you quoted me, i cant be bothered to argue with you as you are now just trolling for the sake of it

Originally Posted by Inkster

pretty often, as it happens, i normally play with no more than 3 people and only recently we took out 15 lvl 45-50's in a single fight around 3 times

Perhaps English isn't your first language, and I can forgive you for that, but you specified a group of people and continued that sentence by saying "and we." In the English language this refers to the group of "no more than 3" that you had just mentioned.

Also, red karma shouldn't be used just because someone disagrees with you, and disagreeing with you is not the same as trolling you. Fortunately I think most forum users recognize that "you're a troll, I'm not going to bother with you" is used as a cheap cop-out for the losing side of an argument just as often as it is the truth. Enjoy not feeding the troll, and have a nice day.

[Mikan]

Arguing with two of the oldest and most experienced Warlocks in the game is a bit of a lost cause, Van.

[VandaMan]

Originally Posted by Mikan

Arguing with two of the oldest and most experienced Warlocks in the game is a bit of a lost cause, Van.

Why? Having played for nearly 2 years I think I'm just as qualified to talk about warlocks as they are, especially considering that warlocks are a completely different class now than they were 2 years ago. Being old and experienced doesn't make you right, and relying on that reputation to validate your points only makes an argument look weak, in my opinion.

Edit: Who is the second old experienced warlock I'm arguing with, btw? I thought it was just inkster?