random resists are bs

[_Seinvan]

Originally Posted by Kyrottimus

Roar and howl for example, (and kick which I've unskilled), seem to get resisted more often than not.

With the exception of kick, I think this is the way it should be. The more spread out a skill's effect is, the less effective it should be imo. I've noticed this pattern of wicked resists with Sultar's Terror too.. 90% knock chance my ass

[chrisuf]

Originally Posted by Kyrottimus

Several times per playing session I have 75% of those hit by roar resist it, even lower-levels who "supposedly" have much lower intelligence so my conc-based spell focus should have won out.

well you have a point there, i sometimes have people resisting 90% of all spells/ccs on my warlock. (interesting fact is, that it seems that specially my leech skills are resisted about 75%+ guess i'm just unlucky using them)

Originally Posted by Kyrottimus

I dont mind the fights where one or two things get resisted. It's the back-to-back, resist, resist, resist BS that drives me mad. I often have mages (locks especially for some reason), resist every single cc I try to use on them.

i know what you mean. Well with the last update it seems that this resists without skill have increased from around 10% to 25% so it's now alot more likely to resist than before. (i myself resist normally around 20% of the ccs thrown at me but that's because i'm only lvl 48 so a bit lower than the average, and not only stats but also lvl difference have direct impact on the resist chance.)

little example (not that spells/ccs use the same resists if no special cc resists are there):
before update 10% chance ==> 1% chance to resist 2 spells/ccs in a raw (rather unlikely)
now 25% chance ==> 6.25% chance to resist 2 spells/ccs in a raw this means 1 out of 16 times. this is not that unlikely anymore. (i'm not exactly sure if it's now 25% but somewhere around that seems to be the random resists. if you now add sotw you look at 75%+ and ofc knights passive block increases that to 66%+ which makes me smile everytime i manage to get my 2 dots or a knock on a knight, cause else i have no chance beating 1. -66% dmg only from random resists and block is alot.)

but tbh, i'd rather have shorter ccs, longer immunities after that and better balanced dmg.

example:
knock lasts 3s
than you could get at the same time a 9s immunity letting knock hit you the next time 6s after the last ended (or what ever ration seems balanced)

dizzy:
i guess mages should have at least a way to counter this, as those are hit hardest by it. it's kind of a 2nd knock for a mage.

but as long as such changes aren't added, random resists are needed. (and you can't balance ccs without balancing dmg, as because of ccs barbs got insane dmg, random resists have an impact on warlocks dmg and so on. people seem to forget that. just for the note the increase of random resists lowered warlock average dps by 20%. )

[VandaMan]

The problem is not that your crowd controls are resisted too often, but that this single resist more often than not can determine the outcome of a fight. I realize how useless it is to say this yet again, but the problem is the crowd controls. Of course one resist is going to turn the tides of a fight, when every class has the ability to completely disable an enemy for the entire fight (or in the case of barbarians, disable a group of enemies for an entire fight). This makes the resists more noticeable, whether they are actually more common or not. Resists determining fights is a symptom of a larger problem.

[bois]

Originally Posted by VandaMan

The problem is not that your crowd controls are resisted too often, but that this single resist more often than not can determine the outcome of a fight. I realize how useless it is to say this yet again, but the problem is the crowd controls. Of course one resist is going to turn the tides of a fight, when every class has the ability to completely disable an enemy for the entire fight (or in the case of barbarians, disable a group of enemies for an entire fight). This makes the resists more noticeable, whether they are actually more common or not. Resists determining fights is a symptom of a larger problem.

I think we all acknowledge that CC among other other niggling issues are a big problem in the game. Even NGD suggestively realised this and brought in the beacon as sort of a tuck tape fix. Since the game got sped up it became even more glaring. I also think the community is weary of kicking that horse hoping for a substantial balance update to make these tactical without overshadowing the rest of game play.
So we just move on to the next thing. Resists. Don't think that evades and blocks are fine because you hardly see them. They have issues as well.
Miss is a whole other story. I have no idea where NGD will take that antiquated layer. Hidden behind all this is the matter of seemingly broken Hit chance system. Van , both you and I asked for info on resistance and spell focus multiple times so we could understand it better. To no avail. I am weary asking but I keep at it. I hate to sound like a broken record but we really need this info too. Why is it some kind of national secret?

[Psynocide]

Game of skill my ass, don't feed your ego.

Random resists are luck, luck is life.
Moving on.

[Kyrottimus]

Originally Posted by VandaMan

Of course one resist is going to turn the tides of a fight, when every class has the ability to completely disable an enemy for the entire fight (or in the case of barbarians, disable a group of enemies for an entire fight).

Let's not overlook locks, with that same ability (MoD, Sultar's Terror, Twister, Mind Push, et. al). When was the last time someone actually spell-resisted Master of Doom anyway?

So really I see no need to isolate barbs in this ability. But that's aside the point; Artec has it right with the need for transparency in how spell-resistance functions. The character window still has plenty of room left for such things NGD

[Llayne]

It's more noticeable for barbs perhaps because against a lock that one resist can be fatal. Barb vs good lock you don't get second chances. Often times you're lucky to have got the first.

[chrisuf]

Originally Posted by Droc

It's more noticeable for barbs perhaps because against a lock that one resist can be fatal. Barb vs good lock you don't get second chances. Often times you're lucky to have got the first.

it's quite noticeable on locks too cause if 1 cc doesn't work against a barb, the lock is dead. (not enough time to cast a 2nd cc if the barb knows what to do.)

[HidraA]

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+Resists/evades/blocks/miss are not possible without RANDOM
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Resists/evades/miss for sure are not possible.

Please calm down your argue about warlock/barbs or other kind of argue and read above explanation...at least try to understand.

There are many point of view.Let's take one of them Resists.

How ppl can build this system?Lets try many ways:

1.)
Without using random system but using skills that influence resists.

Lets take Inteligence as factor.

Lest say by default wee have number as 100 as absolut factor and he give 0% resists.So nobody resist at something.
Now lets try to add Int as factor that confere us resist.
60 int will give us 30% resist.
Good...now troble is how wee build table of resist.......
So from 100 hits, 30 of hits must be resisted.Without a random factor that generate a random result wee need to build a fixed chain of numbers.

Hit 1=resist,Hit2=non-resist,Hit3=non-resist....etc till 100=resist.

So wee asigned at 30 hits from 100 resist.

Troble is a person can learn this chain and know when is resist and when is hit.

Conclusion 1 =any kind of attribut that have influece confere % chances

2.)
To build a system using 30% of hit by time.This it's not posible because noone can know long i will stay online...or to define the time that i want to play.
Only if there is a count that count my time that i stay online and is raported as 100 at predifined time as 1 hour..10 hours etc.

3.)
To build a system that can print results without a player can know that results.
The only option is random from table or with range.

Conclusion is sample..and there are 2 options:
-a)REMOVE resists/evades/blocks/miss
-b)Make only absolute spells with 100% resists/miss/block/evades and remove any kind of % chances.Also is a must to remove any kind of attribute as intelligence in resists etc....

[Seher]

I really don't get what you try to say.

Originally Posted by HidraA

60 int will give us 30% resist.
Good...now troble is how wee build table of resist.......
So from 100 hits, 30 of hits must be resisted.Without a random factor that generate a random result wee need to build a fixed chain of numbers.

Hit 1=resist,Hit2=non-resist,Hit3=non-resist....etc till 100=resist.

? ? ? No, you don't have to resist 30 out of 100 hits just because it's supposed to be 30% chance. Chance means it should be somewhere around 30(%), and gets closer the more tries you repeat.

There are things like random number generators. They work. The only thing not working are players that don't understand what random means, or think they've got representative tests while they don't.