New Confuse : Thoughts ?

[Kittypretty]

I'd second a vote to make darkness dispel-able, today i got called a noob for not healing a barb who was under darkness, so after we won, and I rezzed him, he promptly said that and left.

but on topic again about possibly having a decent cast debuff (remember those goblins?) that would generally be the idea, as i'd rather the game focus on lowering effectiveness of a player, be it armor, attack speed, damage etc, not complete disabling (aside from knocks/freeze/stuns etc.

[NotScias]

Originally Posted by Kitsunie

Suggestions:
- Change the effect of Confuse to a heavy cast speed malus as suggested above. This would keep its anti-Conjuror role, especially if they need to Sanct.

Would screw the warlocks too much. Mages without cast speed are almost just as good as if they were totally disabled already.

- Make Darkness dispellable, since it is magic and dispel is an anti-magic, thus cannot be blocked. Perhaps increase the range to 25 to compensate for the nerf.

Would totally ruin the point of Darkness which is to not be dispellable. Darkness is the only counterpart of Dispel, it should remain undispellable.

- Change the effects of DI to match those of the current Offensive beacon, 70% resist to all CCs, and don't block non-damaging powers.
- Replace the effects of Offensive beacon with those of current DI, but only lasting for 15-20 seconds.

lol ? You still consider Darkness/Confuse are OP but ruining the point of DI which is the absolute counter for both and conju must-have against these ?
If Conjus loose the actual DI they'll just get Confused/Darknessed everytime.
Let DI alone please.

And most "lose-lose" situations regarding these spells would disappear:
- No more hopelessness since Confuse and Darkness could be countered properly.

But the counters of counters need counters too to be balanced. The problem is that if Darkness becomes dispellable, then there's no counter to Dispel. Darkness is absolutely needed in RvR especially versus outnumbering fights.
Confuse is not a big deal in RvR, it's not because it is OP on unbuffed targets surprised from a camouflaged hunter on PvP that it justifies another nerf of it.
And Confuse and Darkness already have a counter : DI.

- Changed Offensive beacon is more balanced as targets are 100% immune to many powers but can still be stopped by damaging powers.

So instead of having 10 charging barbs with 70%+UM resist CCs besides slow, we'll have 10 barbs immune to slow, and also immune to the rest of the CCs thru UM. From a Warlock/Mage point of view, a charging UM+DI barb is already impossible to counter.
I really much prefer how it is now even if it's far to be perfect.


Anyways on topic, I'm really glad the Confuse duration has been shortened at last, after years of complaints. Confuse maybe has a lot of wrong sides but the worst was the insane duration of it. Now it's still a bit over the top on PvP, but only against unbuffed targets or ambushed from camo, so for me it doesn't count, but in RvR it's totally fine and not a deal at all.
Darkness' duration should be looked at aswell.

[isgandarli]

If someone who thinks that confuse is still OP, ehm... they are noobs, nothing more.
Now only hunters can cast confuse, it mens that confuse 4-5 spamming marxes are dead now. More than 50% of confuse users are disabled (meaning marxes)
Confuse cannot be casted on DIed players.
Spell duration reduced
What's the problem now dear non hunter players?

[Awrath]

Since this new confuse duration, I enjoy playing my conj a lot more than before. My knight is still constantly spammed with confuse, but with the new duration it isn't as much of a problem.

I think it's a good sign to have no feedback regarding it, only means that people are now content. Only time we really get feedback on a spell is when there are people unhappy with it.

[standistortion]

Off topic, why did hunt get banned again? Don't see anything even slightly unpleasant in his recent posts.

[Torcida]

Originally Posted by standistortion

Off topic, why did hunt get banned again? Don't see anything even slightly unpleasant in his recent posts.

Originally Posted by HuntShot

Are you freakin' serious?

How you got to complete WM quests with 10 alsius online a day? Well ehmm I dont know.. if only there was some kind of ''invasion'' system where you could kill our 'king' or some equal boss which you would get a reward for because with only 10 players only that shouldn't be so hard.. But there isn't, OR WAIT! There is!


Come on.. If you're with a group of 20 people and we're with a group half as big, do we even stand a chance? I mean everybody will get a kill counted for the WM quest and easy as that Wartis or Syrmaster.. I prefer the first one.
Please stop talking about crap, if we would've been overpopulated or at least populated we would've been able to bring an unorganised invasion together in a night. Are we able to do that? No sir, we're not!

he got banned because of that, We should probabbly watch out now cause NGD appearently is on a path of destruction considering this is what you have to do to get banned nowadays..

[Archonaut]

Originally Posted by Torcida

he got banned because of that, We should probabbly watch out now cause NGD appearently is on a path of destruction considering this is what you have to do to get banned nowadays..

Yes he told me the same, I agree the post is a bit aggresive.. but a ban? Come on Frosk.



On Topic, I like the new Confuse.. not going to skill it anymore though I used to skill it on 1 but 12 seconds isn't enough for me.. And I like the ideas Kitsunie had they're really nice. I hope chilko reads this thread.

[standistortion]

Originally Posted by Torcida.....

Thanks, does seem harsh for just that post. Maybe the quest to become the antiBois and achieve infamy has its down side

On topic, the duration reduction to confuse and darkness was just what I was hoping for so +1 to like. Would be against being able to dispel either, that would take away what makes them such powerful casts, would suggest longer cd if they need further nerfs.

[Torcida]

Originally Posted by standistortion

Thanks, does seem harsh for just that post. Maybe the quest to become the antiBois and achieve infamy has its down side

Meh people Especially on public forums should be able to express their opinion if they do it on a normal way which he did. Also if it is against popular figures like Bois.

he got perma-ban bytheway.

Anyway I like confuse how it is now it has been nerfed Enough if you ask me.

[_Emin_]

Confuse seems to be fine how it is.